A physicist explains ghosts in our digital reality

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  1. Magical Realist

    Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    And yet still you offer no evidence of them consulting with each other before they reported the event to the teachers. Why is that?
     
    Magical Realist, Aug 16, 2015
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    5 cops report seeing a huge triangular craft over Lebanon Illinois:

     
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    Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Because I haven't claimed that they did so.
    As I pointed out in post #216.
    Tell me, do you intend to continue trying to debunk a claim I didn't make, a claim I have specifically stated I hadn't made?
    Is that because it's easier to attack strawmen than own up to your dishonesty?
     
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    Good. I'm glad we agree no consultation had a chance to occur. Moving on...
     
    Magical Realist, Aug 16, 2015
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  8. Dywyddyr

    Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Your lack of integrity is showing again.
    And your (deliberate) lack of ability to confuse "not making a specific claim that X happened" with "agreeing that X didn't happen".
    In point of fact, while I haven't claimed that "consultation" did occur there certainly was chance for it to happen, given that the children were unsupervised for a period of time before making that claim - as stated in the report and quoted more than once.

    You, and a couple of others here (no names mentioned but I'm sure that the rational members of Sci can work them out), are the main reason why I left for so long. I see that, overall, the forum has not only not improved in the intervening time it's actually degraded.
    It may be time to for me to move on permanently.
     
    Dywyddyr, Aug 16, 2015
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  9. Magical Realist

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    I see. So now you're back to saying consultation DID occur, once again based on no evidence whatsoever. Make up your mind..

    Don't let the door hit you in the ass...
     
    Magical Realist, Aug 16, 2015
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  10. Dywyddyr

    Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    When will you learn to read?
    Let me go through it:
    You stated "I'm glad we agree no consultation had a chance to occur".
    My reply was "while I haven't claimed that "consultation" did occur there certainly was chance for it to happen".

    Which part of "I haven't claimed that consultation did occur" made you think that I'm "back to saying consultation DID occur" (which is a falsehood twice over since I hadn't claimed that anyway, so I can't "go back" to it)?

    Do you have to put in much effort to be that stupid/ dishonest or does it come naturally?
    Do you extend that stupidity/ dishonesty into your real life, or is it reserved solely for on-line?
     
    Dywyddyr, Aug 16, 2015
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  11. Kittamaru

    Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Why is it required...? It is pretty much safely assumed it happened (or do you propose that, instead, all those people scattered in random directions and ran, despite the fact that humans show a fairly strong pack mentality?)
     
    Kittamaru, Aug 16, 2015
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  12. Magical Realist

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    Trolling insults as usual. Are you having trouble finding the exit door?
     
    Magical Realist, Aug 16, 2015
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  13. Kittamaru

    Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Actually, belief has nothing to do with your threads being locked... they get locked because they are garbage and a disgrace to what was, at one time, a website of decent scientific repute and discussion. Now, thanks to members like you, it is a garbage dump of ignorance and foolishness.
     
    Kittamaru, Aug 16, 2015
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    Daecon and paddoboy like this.
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    Agreed. The problem is of course that the nature of these type of people, will see them defyingly posting more and more, just to stir the angst of the more scientifically inclined.
    That's his goal and the goal of others.
     
    paddoboy, Aug 16, 2015
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    I don't see insults...just good spot on, descriptive remarks re yourself and your posts.
     
    paddoboy, Aug 16, 2015
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  16. Dywyddyr

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    I wonder how you can consider factual statements as trolling insults.
    Either you didn't understand what was clearly written out - in which case you're stupid, or you DID understand but chose to misinterpret - in which case you're dishonest.
    Which is it?
    I'd really like to know.
    (Personally, given your previous dishonesty, I'm going with the latter).
     
    Dywyddyr, Aug 17, 2015
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  17. Kittamaru

    Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Truth be told, I'd like to know as well... but I've stopped really paying attention as much simply because until our Administration makes up their mind on if they wish to allow this kind of dishonest and insulting behavior to continue, or if they wish to actually put a stop to it.

    If you and others wish for it to stop, I would recommend making this known - granted, I'm not saying to PM the admins every day... but it might get results *shrug*
     
    Kittamaru, Aug 17, 2015
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  18. Dywyddyr

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    I recently reported deliberate dishonesty (from a different poster) and got the reply "Unfortunately, your recent report has been rejected: Post in thread 'Are You A Quantum Creationist?' - This can be pointed out in the thread."
    It thus appears that lying and wilful misdirection is condoned, I remember when it was different.
     
    Dywyddyr, Aug 17, 2015
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  19. Magical Realist

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    You're the one dancing on the fence of whether the kids consulted with each other or not. Your own ambivalence is the problem here. So while you are NOT claiming it happened, you ARE claiming it had a chance of happening? When praytell? After the event of seeing the beings and the ship, they all ran into the school screaming. Were they secretly conspiring as they were running, getting their stories all straight? "Okay guys, we all saw such and such. Got it? Now keep running to the teachers to tell them what happened!" There was no chance for them consulting together and agreeing on some completely fabricated story. Besides, people just don't do that, especially kids.
     
    Magical Realist, Aug 17, 2015
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    Some were allegedly scared. Others were excited by it and more curious.

    “They ran to the edge of the school yard to see what this thing was. They saw this small creature walk around on top of the craft while another came down to check out the children. He was all in black, with a very tight suit. The children said he had big eyes ‘like rugby balls’.

    “The children had direct eye contact with this creature. There seems to have been some kind of communication with the children about the state of the world — what we are doing to the planet, the destruction we are causing, although not all the children got this message. Some of the children were traumatised, others were excited. The young children were the most traumatised as they were at the front of the group.    ​

    The younger ones were apparently afraid, but not all of them were. Some have described it as running to their teachers, but the teachers were in a meeting and they ran to the tuckshop lady. In short, the children were unsupervised while they were playing outside.

    Perhaps you should stop putting your own slant on the story, MR.

    There have been numerous studies conducted with children, especially young children, and false memories and implanted memories.

    https://vhil.stanford.edu/pubs/2009/segovia-virtually-true.pdf

    http://idml.medicine.arizona.edu/Ar...susceptible to the false memory illusion .pdf

    Children are very susceptible to it and there have been numerous studies performed on dozens of school aged children where even a few words can lead to rich stories about something they experienced or saw.

    Ermm, the problem is that they would have consulted with each other in the first place. This is why eye witnesses to crimes are generally not allowed to speak to each other before they speak to the police. They are kept separate, so that they cannot possibly impart information and create false memories.

    In which time they were literally able to get their stories straight.

    In the words of one of those children when interviewed as an adult:

    Tracking down one of the Ariel School experiencers took some doing, but eventually I connected with Sarah* in what she referred to as “a most stubborn old Rhodie [white Rhodesian] bar” in downtown Harare.

    Of the more than 110 children and staff who had been at the school, which sits just outside the small agricultural centre of Ruwa, when the aliens landed in 1994, she thought she was probably the only one still in the country.

    “Everyone’s fucked off to Canada or the UK,” she said. “Or died.”

    When it became clear to her drinking buddies that we were going to talk UFOs, eyes began to roll.

    “Christ, Sê, not ET again,” someone muttered.

    She ignored him.

    “Whaddya wanna know? Actually, it’ll be simpler if I just shoot. It happened, OK. Sixty-two kids between the ages of about six and 12 saw the aliens land and get out of their little ships. When the kids returned to class they were completely freaked and couldn’t stop nattering about little men who looked a bit like Michael Jackson. The teachers told them to shut up, as teachers are wont to do, and classes proceeded.

    “But the next day the school received a bunch of calls from parents wanting to know why their kids were spooked. It got so that the teachers started to freak out, too, and a local UFO expert called Cynthia Hind was invited to speak to everyone. It was via her, I think, that we heard about a famous shrink who was coming from the US to assess the children. What was his name now … Mack, Dr John Mack, who I heard was killed by a drunk driver a few years back.”     ​


    Not only were these children allowed to discuss it among themselves, but they were also told that a UFO specialist was coming to see them, and they were asked to draw pictures of what they had seen.. Gee, no surprises there that they all drew similar drawings. And that was from a UFO site.

    Comparisons to Michael Jackson aside, the fact that these children were clearly given so many hints and leads, it's no wonder they all drew the same thing and that their stories were so identical.

    They didn't.

    The teachers had all entered the staff room for a meeting and the only adult outdoors was the tuckshop mistress, who was soon swamped by children claiming they had seen “three or four objects coming into the rough bush area … disc-like objects coming in along the power lines and finally landing in the rough, among the trees. The children were a little bit afraid, although they were also curious.” ​

    False memories and leading children to believing something or having seen something they hadn't seen is pretty easy to do.

    It isn't compelling.

    At all. And this was already discounted in one of the many closed UFO threads and the authorities said it was a weather event. How many times have you posted this now?

    Wouldn't be a first time.

    Crank websites are known to make things up. Don't believe me? Visit a 9/11 crank website.

    If that is what you were doing, then we wouldn't have a problem.

    The problem with you is that you take those videos as absolute evidence of the existence of aliens and you lose your proverbial shit when anyone dares to question your absolute belief in them or to express doubts or disbelief in your claims.

    Putting stuff out there for people to make an informed choice or decision would entail approaching these subjects objectively. You are yet to understand what that actually means. You don't post objectively.

    If doing a good job entails plagiarism, misrepresenting articles, posting things out of context, using quote mining sites which misrepresent studies, failing to reference what you are quoting and citing, posting contradictory material and claiming both are correct even though they completely contradict each other and literally cancel each other out.. Then sure, you are doing a great job MR and that is why your posts are being locked, because you are doing such a good job!
     
    Bells, Aug 17, 2015
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    It's not that it is condoned. In many instances, it can be smacked down in a thread instead of just silenced. I would rather see people trying to educate others instead of calling them stupid and trying to silence them immediately. I take the approach of when all else fails, then we moderate.

    Really?

    Really?

    Out of curiousity, what part of you thought this was acceptable before posting it?
     
    Bells, Aug 17, 2015
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  22. Magical Realist

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    Thanks for basically proving everything I said about this, that the kids didn't have time to consult and make up one story. I didn't really need your help though. The articles quoted explain what happened clearly enough.

    As for yet another lie of yours:

    You have access to my infractions list. List all the times misquoting and failing to reference and posting contradictory material got me infracted or got my thread locked. I'll wait..
     
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  23. Dywyddyr

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    And again you're diverting and being dishonest.

    When they were originally out and unsupervised.

    So wait a minute.
    You're claiming that SIXTY-TWO kids had time to wander up to (or past) the school boundary, get a look at this UFO, actually COMMUNICATE with said alien but that that interval wasn't long enough to "consult"?

    Given the fact that their stories were similar but not identical, much like the drawings they did, how long would it take to share a basic idea?

    This is a claim you have repeated ad nauseam but still haven't justified.

    Add in the statement - from you - that they were allowed to consult afterwards don't you think that could have given them time to "straighten their story"?

    That would be completely false.
     
    Dywyddyr, Aug 17, 2015
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