UFOs (UAPs): Explanations?

"The evidence that there are objects which have been seen in our atmosphere, and even on terra firma, that cannot be accounted for either as man-made objects or as any physical force or effect known to our scientists, seems to me to be overwhelming... A very large number of sightings have been vouched for by persons whose credentials seem to me unimpeachable. It is striking that so many have been trained observers, such as police officers and airline or military pilots. Their observations have in many instances... been supported either by technical means such as radar or, even more convincingly, by... interference with electrical apparatus of one sort or another...."

-Lord Hill-Norton, Chief of Defense Staff, Ministry of Defense, Great Britain, 1973; Chairman, Military Committee of NATO, 1974-77; quoted from his foreword to ;Above Top Secret by Timothy Good, Morrow & Co's Quill Books, 1988.

https://www.ufocasebook.com/ufoquotes1.html
 
wegs said:
I think MR is ''defending space aliens'' based on what he believes to be true. Nothing more or less. Why all the fuss?
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Because MR tells lies.
Magical Realist said:
I don't speculate on who operates ufos.
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Here's MR speculating on that very thing of ''who operates ufos''.
Take your pick wegs.
Extraterrestrials, Interdimensionals, Time travelers, Paranormal beings and Conscious pilots
Magical Realist said:
I have never ruled out extraterrestrials. I have simply suggested that the intelligences behind ufos are not of this world. That can include interdimensionals, time travelers, or paranormal beings.
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Magical Realist said:
But knowing what we know about ufos in general and their demonstrated intelligent design and operation, I think it's logical to assume some sort of conscious pilots
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Magical Realist said:
"The evidence that there are objects which have been seen in our atmosphere, and even on terra firma, that cannot be accounted for either as man-made objects or as any physical force or effect known to our scientists, seems to me to be overwhelming... A very large number of sightings have been vouched for by persons whose credentials seem to me unimpeachable. It is striking that so many have been trained observers, such as police officers and airline or military pilots. Their observations have in many instances... been supported either by technical means such as radar or, even more convincingly, by... interference with electrical apparatus of one sort or another...."

-Lord Hill-Norton, Chief of Defense Staff, Ministry of Defense, Great Britain, 1973; Chairman, Military Committee of NATO, 1974-77; quoted from his foreword to ;Above Top Secret by Timothy Good, Morrow & Co's Quill Books, 1988.

https://www.ufocasebook.com/ufoquotes1.html
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Those quotes are all over 20 years old, many of them dating back to the 1950's. Of course, it doesn't matter in least the credentials of any of them, what's important is if they're sane or not. Clearly not.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Many sightings are not flying. Many sightings are not illuminated. Many sightings are not discs. Many sightings are not ovals. Many sightings are not performing extraordinary flight maneuvers.
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Many sightings of what?
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Of UFOs of course. That's a category, not an identification. and it doesn't meant there's a thing - it means there's a report.

In the same vein, there are many reports of cryptids. Cryptids too is a category, not an ID.

This cryptid report - such as Yeti - says nothing about the veracity of that cryptid report - such as Nessie. The reporting of either doesn't make the other report more true - nor does it make either alleged critter more real.

So it goes with UFOs, many reports, lumped under the same category does not lend any credence to any of the reports in it, nor does it make UFOs any more likely to be something beyond mundane. Like Loch Ness and Yeti - each report must stand on its own merit.

The above is important for you to understand so that you stop making the logical error of assuming the conclusion in your premise. Because that's what you're doing. to-wit: "There are so many sightings of cryptids these days - and they sort have similarish properties if I'm selective enough - that I'm comfortable just saying they're all the same thing and that they're all real."
 
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Some people have a hard time accepting the reality of UFO's , no matter where the evidence comes from and the quality of the evidence .

Why , who knows , but some us know the truth of their existence .
 
river said:
Some people have a hard time accepting the reality of UFO's , no matter where the evidence comes from and the quality of the evidence .

Why , who knows , but some us know the truth of their existence .
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When asked to provide evidence, you went silent:

river said:
For me the evidence is clear .
There are more advanced living Beings than our selves in this Universe . Simple as that .
And I prefer Written testimony . Details .
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James R said:
Please present your best evidence.
Great! Please present your best evidence and I'll take a look.
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Even you know your books don't contain anything that would remotely stand up to scrutiny, or you'd be happy to provide it.
You've got nothing.
 
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For me the evidence is clear .
There are more advanced living Beings than our selves in this Universe . Simple as that .
And I prefer Written testimony . Details .
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Please present your best evidence.
Great! Please present your best evidence and I'll take a look.
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Even you know your books don't contain anything that would remotely stand up to scrutiny, or you'd be happy to provide it.
You've got nothing.
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I know that books give more detail on the observation(s) , written down observations .

Some books hold up to scrutiny no problem .

Have you read any books on UFO's Dave ? If so what books ?​
 
Of UFOs of course. That's a category, not an identification. and it doesn't meant there's a thing - it means there's a report.
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LOL! I've yet to hear of a category or a report that can be sighted like a ufo can. To be sighted means they are real physical things that people can see and describe. And when I go to the bookstore and look for the section on ufos I know ufos will be written about and depicted as real objects in the world with certain visible and typical characteristics. You can't handwave away ufos with your pretentious semantics. Everybody in our culture knows what a ufo is.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Of UFOs of course. That's a category, not an identification. and it doesn't meant there's a thing - it means there's a report.

In the same vein, there are many reports of cryptids. Cryptids too is a category, not an ID.

This cryptid report - such as Yeti - says nothing about the veracity of that cryptid report - such as Nessie. The reporting of either doesn't make the other report more true - nor does it make either alleged critter more real.

So it goes with UFOs, many reports, lumped under the same category does not lend any credence to any of the reports in it, nor does it make UFOs any more likely to be something beyond mundane. Like Loch Ness and Yeti - each report must stand on its own merit.

The above is important for you to understand so that you stop making the logical error of assuming the conclusion in your premise. Because that's what you're doing. to-wit: "There are so many sightings of cryptids these days - and they sort have similarish properties if I'm selective enough - that I'm comfortable just saying they're all the same thing and that they're all real."
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Reported for gratuitous bullying.
 
river said:
Some people have a hard time accepting the reality of UFO's , no matter where the evidence comes from and the quality of the evidence .

Why , who knows , but some us know the truth of their existence .
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Many people have a hard time dealing with the reality of a less-than-ideal world, where strange and unpredictable things can pop up at any time, and not everything can be neatly reduced to familiar and mundane explanations.
 
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Some people have a hard time accepting the reality of UFO's , no matter where the evidence comes from and the quality of the evidence .

Why , who knows , but some us know the truth of their existence .
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Magical Realist said:
Many people have a hard time dealing with the reality of a less-than-ideal world, where strange and unpredictable things can pop up at any time, and not everything can be reduced to familiar and mundane explanations.
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Agreed

Although many people and more all the time , understand the bigger picture .

The Universe is full of intelligent life . Therefore UFO's is no big deal .
 
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Everybody in our culture knows what a ufo is.
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DaveC426913 said:
Everybody in our culture knows what Leprechauns, Yeti, unicorns and God are too.

So yeah, you're barkin' up the right tree with UFOs all right.
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Yet the evidence of UFO's is from all walks of life .

That's what you chose to ignore Dave .

From the common people to those in authority , police , military and politics .
 
Magical Realist said:
Context context. Nobody claims a ufo is just a category or a report.
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That's true. Nobody claims that - including me. So you seem kind of confused.

Still the point remains. "Everybody knows" what God is, so I guess your'e gonna have to admit he's fact then. Or acknowledge that "everybody knows" isn't a valid argument.
 
river said:
Yet the evidence of UFO's is from all walks of life .
That's what you chose to ignore Dave .
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You've been asked multiple times for this "... more advanced living Beings than our selves in this Universe . Simple as that .
And I prefer Written testimony . Details ."

yet you still do not produce.

You've got nothing.
 
That's true. Nobody claims that - including me. So you seem kind of confused.
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Of UFOs of course. That's a category, not an identification. and it doesn't meant there's a thing - it means there's a report.
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Still the point remains. "Everybody knows" what God is, so I guess your'e gonna have to admit he's fact then. Or acknowledge that "everybody knows" isn't a valid argument.
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Everybody knows what the Sun is too. So what?
 
You used the word "just" - as in "just a category or report".
I did not.

You are conflating reports that are not resolved and thus cannot be ascribed to the same cause.- like Loch Ness and Yeti. That is bad science.
 
DaveC426913 said:
You've been asked multiple times for this "... more advanced living Beings than our selves in this Universe . Simple as that .
And I prefer Written testimony . Details ."

yet you still do not produce.

You've got nothing.
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That's what you chose to ignore Dave .

From the common people to those in authority , police , military and politics .
 
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