Kim Jong Il dies at 69

[invert_nexus]

Bells,

I put Geoff on ignore. So I wouldn't know what Geoff beat you to.

Interesting.
Hope that works out well for you.

That is what I meant by brainwashing.

Beat to it again by Quadraphonics, this time.

If that's what you meant by brainwashing, then I'd suggest that that Il ought to hire more effective government employees. Because the wash isn't coming out clean.

Maybe they should switch to Tide?

He was adored as much as he was hated. The millions of people he had killed and their families I am sure would not have adored him. Nor did the farmers adore him. He was adored by the rank and file of the party because of his victory in the revolution and war and because he forced an industrial revolution in the former USSR. And any who did not adore him or disagreed with him were purged.

So.
Could it be possible that Il was also adored as much as he was hated?

And, do you think that people only adored Stalin for valid reasons such as those you've given?
You don't think that propaganda and brainwashing might have played a part?
Little bit?

You answered your own question in your next post. Joseph is estimated to have killed approximately 23 million. Mao is estimated to have killed anywhere from 45 - 80 millions people.

What did the Chinese people think of Mao?

Are you doing more than just looking at pretty words on the screen?
Just curious.
There are deeper meanings here, you realize.

Hmmm

/Pat..

Condescension?
That's somewhat sad.
I really didn't think that more elaboration was necessary.

Do you really not understand what's being said here or are you just pretending?
I really don't understand your 'strategy' here.
Ostrich or something?


Geoff,

It lives?

Maybe.

Read Portuguese?

 

[invert_nexus]

If that's what you meant by brainwashing, then I'd suggest that that Il ought to hire more effective government employees. Because the wash isn't coming out clean.

Eun, of course. As Il's an ex-parrot.

 

[Bells]

What you are describing (people knowingly engaging in pretense to further their rational, immediate self-interest) is the exact opposite of brain-washing.

Brain-washing is when your internal beliefs and values have actually been altered. Not just where you outwardly pretend that they have, for whatever rational reasons. If people are doing this as a theatrical display of false political allegiance, then they cannot be brainwashed. If they're brainwashed, then they're doing it for real.

The scary thing about NK is that major portions of the population have been subject to pretty tight information isolation, constant propaganda, and vigorous discipline for a long time. Literally, generations. While I'd expect that the first generations of Koreans subject to this totalitarianism participated in the way you describe - as an act of political theater, undertaken for rational reasons of self-preservation - it is unclear that generations born decades later have any such critical distance. The whole point of totalitarianism is to literally make subversive ideas unthinkable, not simply to repress their expression.

The way that works in NK has been to make the Dear Leader the central object of all expressions - not just political ones. Like any cult leader, the goal is to be omnipresent in the minds and consciousnesses of the subjects. And so the death of such a leader does cause real grief: not because people literally believe the propaganda, per se, but because their entire system for understanding and relating to the world is built around the Leader's role. For him to die does real violence to the psyches and identities of the subjects, quite indepeapart from how it figures into their material and political circumstances. Totalitarianism infantilizes the subjects - think of the reaction as that of a small infant who is alarmed and frightened by the unexpected absence of his mother, rather than as that of an adult undertaking a rational calculation of political and material interests.

It is called cult of personality. There are some in NK who believe that he could control the weather for example.

Understanding the Kim regime's resilience requires an understanding of the tools it has used to stay in power. The first is social engineering—creating a country where the very building blocks of opposition are lacking. North Korea has no merchant or land-owning class, independent unions, or clergy. Intellectuals are regime-loyal bureaucrats, not dissidents, and strict restrictions on the activities of students have cowed them into submission.

Second, the regime pushes an ideology. The Supreme Leader (suryong) system established Kim Il-sung as the center of a cult of personality. At the core of the regime's juche ideology is nationalism with a xenophobic, even racist, slant. Anti-Japanese sentiment, hostility to South Korea, and propaganda against the United States create legitimacy for the regime. As the regime inculcates its ideology and cult of personality, it strives for tighter controls on information. In the 1990s, after the famine, the regime's control of information decreased and cross-border smuggling grew, but recently the regime has tried to reassert its control.

Perhaps most important, the North Korean regime is brutal in its use of force. Dissent is detected through an elaborate network of informants working for multiple internal security agencies. People accused of relatively minor offenses undergo "reeducation"; those accused of more serious transgressions are either immediately executed or interred in miserable political prison camps. Even more daunting, according to the "three generations" policy, the regime punishes not only the individual responsible for the transgressions but his or her whole family.

[Source]
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His use of force, cult of personality and the 'social engineering' does not provide the people with much ability or even knowledge to overthrow the State. The military will never waver as they get the majority of the funding. Younger generations are brought up solely on propaganda and the older generations will remember the brutalities of the past. It is a terrifying mix for that population and the result is obedience. If any resist or do not show proper emotion regarding the Dear Leader, they are either killed or their whole families are imprisoned in the gulag's.. It's a disgusting mix.

 

[GeoffP]

I put Geoff on ignore. So I wouldn't know what Geoff beat you to.

Err...sooo... all right, not to provoke a fight here, but how did you know to comment on denial, crocodile? That was just yesterday. How does a mod put someone on ignore, anyway?

Oh well.

Geoff,



Maybe.

Read Portuguese?

Only in English. Are you a Brazilian filmmaker, actor and screenwriter?

It is called cult of personality. There are some in NK who believe that he could control the weather for example.

Well, that's a facet of classical brainwashing, nicht wahr? There could be elements of both in the NK population, of course: every Charrington has his Goldstein and his O'Brien... and sometimes even his Smith. I hear there's a lot of Charringtons, mind.

 

[Bells]

Bells,



Interesting.
Hope that works out well for you.

Provides tranquility. Plus gnats annoy me.

Beat to it again by Quadraphonics, this time.

If that's what you meant by brainwashing, then I'd suggest that that Il ought to hire more effective government employees. Because the wash isn't coming out clean.

Maybe they should switch to Tide?

It never can. The scale is huge and over 200,000 people in prison camps shows that it is not that successful and never could be.

So.
Could it be possible that Il was also adored as much as he was hated?

And, do you think that people only adored Stalin for valid reasons such as those you've given?
You don't think that propaganda and brainwashing might have played a part?
Little bit?

I never said he wasn't. What is clear is that those favourites living in the Capital, the privileged few and those shown on NK media and piped to us will want to remain as the privileged class.

I also never discounted propaganda. The links I provided pointed to a mixture of population control (not birth control, but behavioural control) and it never discounted propaganda. The mixture is, for lack of a better term, god damn disgusting and disturbing.

What did the Chinese people think of Mao?

Are you doing more than just looking at pretty words on the screen?
Just curious.
There are deeper meanings here, you realize.

What did the Chinese think of Mao? The fact his portrait still hangs in Tiananmen should say something, shouldn't it?

Public executions have a way of terrorising people into adoration. Future generations are taught that it was all necessary for the success of the State. Funny that..

Condescension?
That's somewhat sad.
I really didn't think that more elaboration was necessary.

Do you really not understand what's being said here or are you just pretending?
I really don't understand your 'strategy' here.
Ostrich or something?

You see, this is what I don't get about you Invert.

Everything has to have a double meaning. Every word is part of a "strategy". It's all political.

Just like your occasional forays here.

Maybe you should stop seeing what isn't there and just, well, be? Where a /Pat is deemed a "strategy", really.. I'd laugh if it wasn't so, well, pathetic. Then again, if I did /blows kiss, you'd probably assume it was a proposal of marriage. One simply cannot win.

There is no strategy. It was merely a pat. As if to say welcome back. I take it back.

Maybe, just maybe, you should not be so paranoid.

 

[invert_nexus]

Sigh.

Ok.
Let's take a step back.

It's simple, really, Bells.

Nobody is saying that some people weren't afraid of Il.
In fact, I believe that it's fair to say that many were afraid of the man.

Also, nobody is saying that many of those people that are seen in the videos crying are faking it. That they're doing out of fear of repression.
In fact, I believe that it's fair to say that many of them are afraid.

However, what also cannot be said is that none of them are crying because they are honestly grieving over a man whom they consider to be a great leader. A man who they grew up being propagandized about. A man who, by your own post (and also Gendanken's by the way) can control the very weather!

That's the point.

Propaganda works.
Brainwashing works.

Many, if not most of those people, are honestly crying for the man.

Don't like the term "most?"

Let's go back to one of your "sources:"

“Most of the mourners were crying because they had been brainwashed by Kim Il Sung’s personality cult,” according to Hwang. “But there was also the fact that anything other than mourning was not allowed.”

See that?
Most.
Not some.
Not a couple.
Most.

He also brings up that other than mourning was not allowed, of course. But as an afterthought.

Most.

You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

Brainwashing.
You've mentioned it in every single post you've made in this thread.
Every one.
And yet you've failed to accept the consequences of the word.

That's it.

Stalin was worshiped by his people. Despite the fact that he killed, exiled, mutilated, etc millions of his people.
He was worshiped.

Mao was worshiped by his people. And he did Stalin times 10.
Worshiped.

Propaganda works.
Brainwashing works.

Is it the end all and be all?
No.
There is also repression.

These are all tools that power groups use to manage populations.
And there are others, of course.

And don't think you're immune, by the way.
Of course, that's another topic altogether.

Provides tranquility. Plus gnats annoy me.

Tranquility sucks.
I've heard that the brainwashed are quite tranquil, by the way. As a point of comparison.

It never can. The scale is huge and over 200,000 people in prison camps shows that it is not that successful and never could be.

That's nothing compared to Mao and Stalin.
And they did pretty well, didn't they?
You, yourself, gave Stalin a success rate of 50/50. I'd say your estimate is low, personally, but even your numbers discredit your own argument.

You know, come to think of it, Il's problems pretty much come down to size, didn't they?
North Korea being so small and lacking enough resources for such a clumsy bull approach as most communist states enjoy.

China and the Soviet Union survived through mass.
Parasitism.

North Korea is nothing but a beggar.

Cuba, too, for that matter. But the dynamics are somewhat different there...
Hmm.
Could be an interesting point of digression.

I never said he wasn't. What is clear is that those favourites living in the Capital, the privileged few and those shown on NK media and piped to us will want to remain as the privileged class.

Be pretty damned inefficient propaganda to show a bunch of people playing bingo, wouldn't it?
That's all it is.
Propaganda.

I also never discounted propaganda. The links I provided pointed to a mixture of population control (not birth control, but behavioural control) and it never discounted propaganda. The mixture is, for lack of a better term, god damn disgusting and disturbing.

Pretty typical, really.
Totalitarian states use bludgeons for propaganda. Our more "sophisticated" states require more subtle brainwashing techniques.

Public executions have a way of terrorising people into adoration. Future generations are taught that it was all necessary for the success of the State. Funny that..

Do you really think that public executions really work that well as a brainwashing technique?

That's part of your problem. You've got all these control techniques mashed together into this big pile of mush.
They're all separate and distinct.

Let's get down to specifics here.
How could public executions be used in brainwashing?
I could see it working to further entrench belief in the greatness of a regime/leader if those viewing it really believed that those being executed are really traitors and/or criminals and actually deserve the execution.

Terror, then, wouldn't be the active force, but, rather, righteousness.

Why do you think all those little Chinese children waved their little red books and had their parents murdered?
Fear?

You see, this is what I don't get about you Invert.

Everything has to have a double meaning. Every word is part of a "strategy". It's all political.

I didn't say "double" meaning.
I said "deeper."

Completely different term.

I expect more in the way... what... Hmm. What do I expect here?

1. I was on my phone and thus couldn't spend much time elaborating deeply.
2. I really did assume that more elaboration was unnecessary. The topic is really clear and simple. I thought a concrete example such as Stalin, Mao, and the fall of the Soviet Union would drive the point home, kablow.

I only said "Mao."
Carried with the term Mao is about 30 years of history.
I thought the image...
Well, hell, why describe it?




Is that fear that you see?
Terror?
Repression?

Shiiit.

Hence, my use of the term Ostrich.
Hiding your head in the sand.
You seem to wish to refuse to see and accept a very simple and blatant fact being discussed in this thread.

It smacks of dishonesty.
Calling it strategy is more complimentary than calling it ignorance.
At least dishonesty is aware.

Maybe you should stop seeing what isn't there and just, well, be? Where a /Pat is deemed a "strategy", really.. I'd laugh if it wasn't so, well, pathetic. Then again, if I did /blows kiss, you'd probably assume it was a proposal of marriage. One simply cannot win.

There is no strategy. It was merely a pat. As if to say welcome back. I take it back.

Maybe, just maybe, you should not be so paranoid.

Well, that's a mighty ambiguous way of "welcoming back", don't you think?
It comes across as condescension. One pats a child, a dog, etc.
It's rare that one pats an equal. Or a superior.
Perhaps it's different in your culture.

 

[Bells]

Sigh.

Ok.
Let's take a step back.

It's simple, really, Bells.

Nobody is saying that some people weren't afraid of Il.
In fact, I believe that it's fair to say that many were afraid of the man.

Also, nobody is saying that many of those people that are seen in the videos crying are faking it. That they're doing out of fear of repression.
In fact, I believe that it's fair to say that many of them are afraid.

However, what also cannot be said is that none of them are crying because they are honestly grieving over a man whom they consider to be a great leader. A man who they grew up being propagandized about. A man who, by your own post (and also Gendanken's by the way) can control the very weather!

That's the point.

Propaganda works.
Brainwashing works.

Many, if not most of those people, are honestly crying for the man.

Don't like the term "most?"

Let's go back to one of your "sources:"



See that?
Most.
Not some.
Not a couple.
Most.

He also brings up that other than mourning was not allowed, of course. But as an afterthought.

Most.

You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

Brainwashing.
You've mentioned it in every single post you've made in this thread.
Every one.
And yet you've failed to accept the consequences of the word.

That's it.

Stalin was worshiped by his people. Despite the fact that he killed, exiled, mutilated, etc millions of his people.
He was worshiped.

Mao was worshiped by his people. And he did Stalin times 10.
Worshiped.

Propaganda works.
Brainwashing works.

Is it the end all and be all?
No.
There is also repression.

These are all tools that power groups use to manage populations.
And there are others, of course.

I never actually said that was not the case.

And don't think you're immune, by the way.
Of course, that's another topic altogether.

Neither are you or anyone else.

Tranquility sucks.
I've heard that the brainwashed are quite tranquil, by the way. As a point of comparison.

Wait.. Are you insinuating that I am brainwashed to think he's a worm?

*Snort*

I find him annoying, so last night I put him on ignore. I don't come here to be annoyed. I come here to be amused.

Hey.. Maybe this site is a tool.

That's nothing compared to Mao and Stalin.
And they did pretty well, didn't they?

You know, come to think of it, Il's problems pretty much come down to size, didn't they?
North Korea being so small and lacking enough resources for such a clumsy bull approach as most communist states enjoy.

China and the Soviet Union survived through mass.
Parasitism.

North Korea is nothing but a beggar.

Cuba, too, for that matter. But the dynamics are somewhat different there...
Hmm.
Could be an interesting point of digression.

I would consider North Korea to be a manipulative parasite. It receives more aid from the country it hates and demonises the most and Jong Il has managed to get that by using the country's nuclear ambition as a bargaining chip.

I think few in the 20th century could come close to Mao and Stalin on a murderous and genocidal scale. No matter how hard they tried.

In that scheme of things, North Korea could be considered small fry. But while others stopped, they have kept going and there is no end in sight. So who knows where those figures will be in 10 years time, if there is a North Korea in 10 years time.

Be pretty damned inefficient propaganda to show a bunch of people playing bingo, wouldn't it?
That's all it is.
Propaganda.

Never said it wasn't..

Pretty typical, really.
Totalitarian states use bludgeons for propaganda. Our more "sophisticated" states require more subtle brainwashing techniques.

Indeed. Look at the Tea Party.

Do you really think that public executions really work that well as a brainwashing technique?

That's part of your problem. You've got all these control techniques mashed together into this big pile of mush.
They're all separate and distinct.

Public executions would only work for brainwashing if those viewing it really believed that those being executed are really traitors and/or criminals and actually deserve the execution.

Terror, then, wouldn't be the active force, but, rather, righteousness.

Why do you think all those little Chinese children waved their little red books and had their parents murdered?
Fear?

The Terror campaign was successful. The propaganda machine made children view their own parents as traitors and the continued executions in all villages only made sure that fear made sure the propaganda worked. I'd call it a vicious cycle.

Is that fear that you see?
Terror?
Repression?

Shiiit.

Hence, my use of the term Ostrich.
Hiding your head in the sand.
You seem to wish to refuse to see and accept a very simple and blatant fact being discussed in this thread.

It smacks of dishonesty.
Calling it strategy is more complimentary than calling it ignorance.
At least dishonesty is aware.

And maybe you should read what I had written and the links I had provided. Second source perhaps?

Do you fail to notice who and where the images are taken? How it is stage managed? Do you see people in the country and farming regions throwing their bodies down and sobbing like mad?

Well, that's a mighty ambiguous way of "welcoming back", don't you think?
It comes across as condescension. One pats a child, a dog, etc.
It's rare that one pats an equal. Or a superior.
Perhaps it's different in your culture.

My culture would result in a "welcome back you dumbarse/boob". If you'd prefer that, I would be happy to oblige.

 

[Gustav]

The whole point of totalitarianism is to literally make subversive ideas unthinkable, not simply to repress their expression.

The way that works in NK has been to make the Dear Leader the central object of all expressions - not just political ones. Like any cult leader, the goal is to be omnipresent in the minds and consciousnesses of the subjects. And so the death of such a leader does cause real grief: not because people literally believe the propaganda, per se, but because their entire system for understanding and relating to the world is built around the Leader's role. For him to die does real violence to the psyches and identities of the subjects, quite indepeapart from how it figures into their material and political circumstances. Totalitarianism infantilizes the subjects - think of the reaction as that of a small infant who is alarmed and frightened by the unexpected absence of his mother, rather than as that of an adult undertaking a rational calculation of political and material interests.

bah
you just project some quackery on to the n.koreans and go on to infantalize and dehumanize them in the process. you want us to believe that n.koreans today, faced with deprivation and hardship actually buy into the propaganda because they are "brainwashed". it is not simple expediency and self preservation that leads them to maintain the party line. it is not rationality but an actual reconfiguration of the brain's neural network that explains the cognitive dissonance

funny how this woo theory of the n.korean mind when actually played out by defectors no longer subject to the tools of repression can be shed as easily as a summer tan

And so the death of such a leader does cause real grief: not because people literally believe the propaganda, per se, but because their entire system for understanding and relating to the world is built around the Leader's role.

a contradictory word salad
"understanding and relating" is conceptually opposed to "belief"

Brain-washing is when your internal beliefs and values have actually been altered.

i see. would you then agree that educating humans in their formative years is better characterized as "brainwashing"?

 

[Gustav]

on a sidenote, "brainwashing" originated during the korean war by way of an edward hunter....

Mind-control theories from the Korean War era came under criticism in subsequent years. According to forensic psychologist Dick Anthony, the CIA invented the concept of "brainwashing" as a propaganda strategy to undercut communist claims that American POWs in Korean communist camps had voluntarily expressed sympathy for communism. Anthony stated that definitive research demonstrated that fear and duress, not brainwashing, caused western POWs to collaborate. He argued that the books of Edward Hunter (whom he identified as a secret CIA "psychological warfare specialist" passing as a journalist) pushed the CIA brainwashing theory onto the general public. He further asserted that for twenty years, starting in the early 1950s, the CIA and the Defense Department conducted secret research (notably including Project MKULTRA) in an attempt to develop practical brainwashing techniques, and that their attempt failed. (wikishit)

 

[Michael]

Yes, a friend of mine who is teaching in Japan joked about this rumour to me yesterday in an email.. That he was killed by his son in a coup or something the like..

I heard the son is a twerp, even worse than his idiotic father....

 

[Michael]

That's the point.

Propaganda works.
Brainwashing works.

Many, if not most of those people, are honestly crying for the man.

Don't like the term "most?"

Let's go back to one of your "sources:"



See that?
Most.
Not some.
Not a couple.
Most.

He also brings up that other than mourning was not allowed, of course. But as an afterthought.

Most.

You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

Brainwashing.
You've mentioned it in every single post you've made in this thread.
Every one.
And yet you've failed to accept the consequences of the word.

That's it.

Stalin was worshiped by his people. Despite the fact that he killed, exiled, mutilated, etc millions of his people.
He was worshiped.

Mao was worshiped by his people. And he did Stalin times 10.
Worshiped.

Propaganda works.
Brainwashing works.

Is it the end all and be all?
No.
There is also repression.

These are all tools that power groups use to manage populations.
And there are others, of course.

I was wondering the other day: How long after other animals were domesticated (10,000BCE?) that farmers starting thinking about us making relatively docile beasts of burden?

Also, one can't but help make the comparison with other fundamental co-religiousists and how they act when the center of their cults of personality are profaned... I find it sad, and kind of creepy.

 

[Michael]

bah
you just project some quackery on to the n.koreans and go on to infantalize and dehumanize them in the process.

I've actually seen people react to ideas in some pretty interesting ways - especially when they think they are unthinkable. It's interesting. But it's also creepy.

 

[wynn]

Just as a curiousity, who killed and opressed more people? Joseph or Il?

Or Western consumerism?

 

[Trooper]

In all fairness, it is difficult for Americans to understand their mindset. I don't know, but maybe this guy has the right idea.

North Korea's contradictions have confounded the West for decades. How does a poverty-stricken state that barely survives off foreign aid still trumpet its self-reliance? Why has its citizenry been so impermeable to South Korean cultural drift? And how, in the era of the global Internet, does the reality of the South's and China's prosperity not infiltrate through backdoor channels and throw doubt on the regime's fantastical version of reality?

Because Pyongyang feeds its people a specific type of propaganda that is radically different from the way it spins its image to the rest of the world. That's the answer of Korea expert Brian Myers in his new book The Cleanest Race: How North Koreans See Themselves and Why It Matters. Myers, who is the director of International Studies at South Korea's Dongseo University and a contributing editor to The Atlantic Monthly, has pieced together his argument through an intensive study of domestic North Korean propaganda—nightly news reports, reproductions of official oil paintings, school textbooks—collected at the Unification Ministry's North Korea Resource Center in Seoul. Myers says that Korea watchers have been long misled by propaganda that Pyongyang specifically prepares for international consumption: a "jumble of banalities" that exists in part to "decoy outsiders from the true, dominant ideology" of the North Korean state. And that ideology is one of racial purity.

Kim Jong Il and, before him, Kim Il Sung based their legitimacy not on fabricated reports of the country's economic success (that line is directed at outsiders) but on a world view that casts them as "great parental leaders" who embody Korean virtue at its most untainted. In this national narrative, the Korean people "are too pure-blooded, and therefore too virtuous, to survive in this evil world" without the leaders' benefic guidance, writes Myers. This potent myth of racial superiority is aimed at confirming to the North Koreans that they are morally superior to Americans and the rest of the world, even if they lag behind it in technology or wealth. When visiting foreigners are covered by the domestic media, they are portrayed as being highly respectful—even obsequious—toward their North Korean hosts. Dictionaries and schoolbooks speak of the Yankees as having "muzzles" and "snouts." A common North Korean maxim goes: "Just as a jackal cannot become a lamb, the U.S. imperialists cannot change their rapacious nature."

It's via this racial-purity propaganda that the Kims have explained away American aid (as a tribute from the cowering Yankees to the more virtuous North Koreans) and the South's burgeoning wealth (the South Koreans may be richer, but they envy North Korea because it's more free from degrading American control and thus more pure). Myers also credits it as a possible explanation for why the West has consistently failed to recruit spies from within the regime, and why North Korea is reluctant to come to the negotiating table despite widespread sanctions against it and a deteriorating food situation inside the country. Kim Jong Il derives his legitimacy by convincing his people that his half of the peninsula is the better one, thanks to its racial purity and military might. Therefore, Myers says, he gains no points with his people by bowing to U.S. pressure. Myers thinks there's little chance that Pyongyang will soften its hard line against the U.S.—and that the regime's downfall will come only when North Koreans realize that the South has little interest in reunifying. So far, other Korea experts have reacted favorably to Myers's book. While all agree it's impossible to know exactly what's going on in the country, Myers's painstaking research provides a key to unlocking the ever-elusive North Korean mindset.

How North Korea Sees Itself

 

[gendanken]

Michael:

I was wondering the other day: How long after other animals were domesticated (10,000BCE?) that farmers starting thinking about us making relatively docile beasts of burden?

Would you call figs totalitarian?

Captain:

What's this about.
Are we mocking sick people now?

No. I am defending a poor woman who has done no-one any harm.
Carry on. I'll leave you to it.

Interesting.

Who's this "poor" woman-- Bells?

Bells is this ill-bred unfortunate:

Woman In Wheelchair Gets Sprayed in Face for Calling Black Man a Nigger.

Allow me to ask: what's the handicap? Her stupidity or the wheelchair?

Should a vituperative, smarmy, clumsy, troll, with a mouth as big as her intellect is small, be respected because she's in a wheelchair? Is the man wrong to spray the hag in the face, or should he just take being called a "nigger' because the little bigot is old and in a wheelchair?

I don't take kindly to bumbling wannabes who can't even fake something as simple as narcissism-- specifically those who goad me in other threads and in here by referring to me as a 'twat'-- no matter what "handicap" the thing suffers.

Invert Nexus:

By the way, did you know that Stalin was adored by his people?
Kruschev started the ball rolling on the end of the willingness of the Soviet people to sacrifice to a good cause by revealing to them the atrocities committed by their hero.
Gorbachev pounded the nail in the USSR's coffin with further acts of honesty.

Capital, Nexus.

Represents beautifully the anesthetic effects of communion: a burlesque of fear socially engineered to simulate a non-threatening distortion of slave morality.

Slave-morality is Lucifer, the Accuser, the halfling who craves to depose god, but its crippled form is a Korean emoting on national television.

Which is why they're all city dwellers, little slaves who've grown to value another's mind as their own.
Now, had they filmed angry peasants squatting in mud on the outskirts.....

That's part of your problem. You've got all these control techniques mashed together into this big pile of mush.
They're all separate and distinct.

But at least she's had time to do her research.

She had nothing immediately being called on to 'prove it' outside of "Well, obvisiouly...." in a delicious malapropism of what brainwashing even fucking is.


Which brings us to:





Bells:

And you have proof of this?

Like I said: appeals to your feelings and deft use of 'Well, obviously...." with clumsy attempts at haughtiness will work on your children.

Not here.

You've actually banned others for not substantiating a claim outside of cute links filled with speculative eyewash.

You claimed these people -- not those of generations ego weeping over some other despot, which you've sourced-- were being forced into braying like hyenas for The World's Biggest Meanie, as though there were rifles pointed at their skull.

Yet completely wallowed in irony as you malapropiated the meaning of 'brainwashing'.

The only thing you gave were sources peppered with 'coulds' and 'possibllies' with Lisa Ling speculating on Koreans.

In other words, all you had was a gut reaction you then trolled the net to substantiate as someone asked you to do it; no different than this moron speculating on Fox television:

I guarantee you, ladies and gentlemen, they have been paid with hamburgers,” O’Reilly surmised. “There is no food in that country. All right? So they said hey, we need, what is it, eight leaping ladies, in the Christmas song. We need weeping ladies and there they are. Is there one tear? Do you see one tear? I see no tears.”

Hear that?
He guarantees it.

You may want to approach this from your American standpoint, but it shows your lack of understanding the realities of their culture and that which is forced on them. They have no choice. Not crying results in arrest and prison camp or death. That is their reality. Not some twat who spouts crap on the internet thinks because people cried when Michael Jackson died.

We'll have a lesson, then:

I don't think you're a lawyer.

Your pedestrian intellect, poor language skills, the absence of precedent referencing in your arguments, that chunky, bulky, emotive strategy of a lowbrow heaving its fat through an argument as it desperately tries to dominate its superior-- those Bells Vs. Wanderer comedies that Xev and I would munch popcorn to, where that tiny mind of yours is getting roasted by the flick of an adverb:

'member those?

But I can't prove it.

There's just something about your fake posturing that screams to me you're not really a lawyer, just some nightschooler who's been certified enough to pretend.
Yet you won't hear me braying an 'Well, obviously, Bells isn't really a lawyer because the stupid cu......"

Your inane stupidity and blindness and Americanism amuses me.

Little hypocrites saddled with children and dumb men have no purchase on mocking.

You were born to be mocked.

Again, jealous?

Insanely.

 

[Bells]

I don't take kindly to bumbling wannabes who can't even fake something as simple as narcissism-- specifically those who goad me in other threads and in here by referring to me as a 'twat'-- no matter what "handicap" the thing suffers.

You earn your name. You obsess enough about my cancer and private life to make you a twat in my opinion.

Like I said: appeals to your feelings and deft use of 'Well, obviously...." with clumsy attempts at haughtiness will work on your children.

Not here.

You've actually banned others for not substantiating a claim outside of cute links filled with speculative eyewash.

You claimed these people -- not those of generations ego weeping over some other despot, which you've sourced-- were being forced into braying like hyenas for The World's Biggest Meanie, as though there were rifles pointed at their skull.

Yet completely wallowed in irony as you malapropiated the meaning of 'brainwashing'.

The only thing you gave were sources peppered with 'coulds' and 'possibllies' with Lisa Ling speculating on Koreans.

In other words, all you had was a gut reaction you then trolled the net to substantiate as someone asked you to do it; no different than this moron speculating on Fox television

And all you provided was an example of Latino television and Michael Jackson to prove that it is not.

I don't think you're a lawyer.

Your pedestrian intellect, poor language skills, the absence of precedent referencing in your arguments, that chunky, bulky, emotive strategy of a lowbrow heaving its fat mind through an argument as its desperately trying to dominate its superior-- those Bells Vs. Wanderer comedies that Xev and I would munch popcorn to, where that tiny mind of yours is getting roasted by the flick of an adverb:

'member those?

But I can't prove it.

There's just something about your fake posturing that screams to me you're not really a lawyer, just some nightschooler who's been certified enough to pretend.
Yet you won't hear me braying an 'Well, obviously, Bells isn't really a lawyer because the stupid cu......"

And you are too much of a coward to even say the word "cunt". What? Afraid you are going to be banned?

Ah yes, Gendy the great intellect. Who craves suffering so she can write about it and publish it on amazon. In that sense, you and Wanderer are very much alike. No wonder he adores you so. As much as one can adore a rash I suppose. You are very much the "girl" Gendy. You always have been. Quite pedestrian and common. The one who must attract as much attention as she can, even if it is negative. I guess the books have to sell one way or another...?

I am a lawyer Gendy. Does that annoy you? Is that why you project?

Tell me, watched much Latino soap operas to compare the North Korean regime to some more? Really, that was the killer for me. Made me laugh. Hard.

Little hypocrites saddled with children and dumb men have no purchase on mocking.

You were born to be mocked.

Again, the obsession. Really, should I be concerned?

If you want to know, just ask Gendy. Hoping that I provide you with writing material for Amazon by insulting me is childish.

Insanely.

Do you know what is funnier? I have cancer and am separated, but I am still happier than you are. I still have more than you do.

The irony of life.

Now, don't you have some writing to do? Amazon awaits child. Run along now..

 

[gendanken]

Someone else have a go at the woman, I'm done; 'debating' her is like poking jello.

*Poke*

You earn your name. You obsess enough about my cancer and private life to make you a twat in my opinion.

Wiggle

And all you provided was an example of Latino television and Michael Jackson to prove that it is not.

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I am a lawyer Gendy. Does that annoy you? Is that why you project?

wiggle

Tell me, watched much Latino soap operas to compare the North Korean regime to some more? Really, that was the killer for me. Made me laugh. Hard.

Yeah, Lisa Ling starring in "Bitch Sourced me Where, Puto?" and a tear jerker starring your mother in "Mi Cabeza es un Gigante Malt Ball"

Really, that was the killer for me. Made me laugh. Hard

Don't you love this need she has to communicate how hard she is laughing out loud to herself?

Sociologists call this "relational aggression", and its exclusive to females.

You can almost hear the Lamaze of her desperate panting to let you know how amusing she finds Polar bears, gum, farting, Jesus, and that thing on your nose.

Because don't we all know superiority is easiest served with a sweet little giggle and feigned with That Look In Your Eyeball?

How menacing, this giggling Bells down in good old Australia gently queefing 'cause She's Laughing So Fucking Hard.

Child.

It so... "Mean Girls". GRRRRRRR.

Goodnight.

-Gendanken

 

[Captain Kremmen]

Boo. £10 wasted.
It doesn't mention Bells at all.

 

[Michael]

Michael:

Would you call figs totalitarian?

Interesting question. On the face of it, it would seem you have my position juxtapose. It's the Farmer who farms, not the produce (meat or fruit). That said, one does wonder if the homely fig isn't gaining some benefit from the farmers labor. That said, usually the farm hired cattle (us) to do the actual farming. Very complex situation we have here.

At the end of the day, the farmer farms the cattle for it's meat and milk. You are that cattle. It's not totalitarian though. It's much much much more efficient to give the illusion of freedom to the cattle, give some cattle the job of policing the rest of the cattle. Then you'll get all sorts of produce from your cattle farm. Much better than a totalitarian society. The key is to control the measure of wealth and keep the cattle fat and happy and ignorant.

 

[Captain Kremmen]

I am quite happy to be cattle.
I just want more cattle cake.