Kim Jong Il dies at 69

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  1. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    The "poor woman" is the Lorry at the end.
    The one that unfortunately does not run over the old trout's wheelchair.
     
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  3. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Ah, Time for the old "Tits" joke.

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    These are the Tits that appear in Gedanken's garden every morning.
    Isn't she lucky to have three such wonderful brightly coloured tits.
     
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  5. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    Because when the blind lead the blind, then, like, they, totally, do not fall into the ditch!
     
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  7. Trooper Secular Sanity Valued Senior Member

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    Ah, shit! So that’s what that thing is that’s now between my tits, duh!
     
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  8. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    I don't really want to criticise Jesus, but I think he didn't think this one out fully.

    Say you were miners, lost in caves, and you had no lights.
    One of your miners is a blind man, with his stick.
    Who would you choose as leader to lead you out of the caves?
    Who would Jesus choose?
     
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  9. Bells Staff Member

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    Yes, of course I am aware of that.

    But show me an employer in the West that will fire someone for not showing enough emotion about the country's leader and that doesn't get sued as a result or that the court finds in the employer's favour?

    We have it easy. Tell me, how many people were jailed for not crying when Kennedy died?

    Do I?

    And you have proof of this?

    Care to show it please?

    Care to show me the exact link of where I made this claim or even supported it? I will wait for it with great anticipation Wynn.

    Whoever said that we are not indoctrinated into believing in the system we live in?

    You hold yourself above the fray? Of course you do. Precious really.
     
  10. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    Hmm... I always thought tits generally travelled in pairs...

    Hope nobody has titmice...

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    Even such a lovely pair would be a bit hard on one's undergarments...

    @ Ellis...that was an interesting link. I am glad the outside world is starting to make inroads there, and that a market economy of sorts is arising.
     
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  11. superstring01 Moderator

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    Kim is dead.

    Long live Lil' Kim.

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    It looks like he's eaten most of Korea in his spare time.

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  12. Gustav Banned Banned

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    During the war "annihilationist and exterminationalist rhetoric" was tolerated at all levels of U.S. society; according to the UK embassy in Washington the Americans regarded the Japanese as "a nameless mass of vermin". Caricatures depicting Japanese as less than human, e.g. monkeys, were common. A 1944 opinion poll that asked what should be done with Japan found that 13% of the U.S. public were in favor of the extermination of all Japanese: men, women, and children.


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    onward warmongers! n.korea dead ahead!​
     
  13. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    And Nanking and Battan and the 12,000 Americans who died on Okinawa and the 51,983 Americans who died fighting the Japanese in the Pacific were the reasons for the opinion of a small percent of Americans.

    Likewise, the reasons for the bombing of Japan were also quite clear:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki
     
  14. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    Huh...I didn't get that from Quad's posts.
    When talking about big social groups you should never make absolute statements and I'm sure he knows this...
    Some bright person or three is always going to observe the Emperor's new clothes are really his birthday suit.

    Maybe it's sleep deprivation but I don't get the feeling that Quad thinks of the NK people as "less-than," simply lied to.

    The US has long been an ethnocentric and jingoist sort of place...I expect if you took a poll now, there'd be a reasonably-sized minority of Americans who would nuke Iraq or Afghanistan...

    I met one man in 2000 or so who joked, "The Iran problem? we just need oil-well drill-bits that can pierce fused black glass, then Iran wouldn't be a problem."

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  15. superstring01 Moderator

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    Not that any of Gustav's rhetoric matters. The USA did not--in fact--annihilate Japan. The USA did not exterminate women and children (see: Japanese population of 127 million). The USA did not "convert" the Japanese to "our way of life" (see: the predominate language, customs and religion of Japan). The USA is the ONLY power that I know of that was attacked by an enemy intent on its destruction, rebounded and completely conquered that enemy, refrained from any vindictive actions after they were conquered, forgave that enemy, signed peace treaties with that enemy, gave that enemy autonomy and democracy, then paid them to rebuild their society, permitted lop-sided trade with that society in a way that benefited the conquered nation, shipped its jobs overseas to that society all while completely footing the bill for protecting that society (for the last 65+ years), a bill that the USA continues to pay to this day with little more than a few billion in recompense each year (a fact that allows the Japanese to spend comparatively little on defense and significantly more in infrastructure and social service which further benefits that society).

    Yeah. Those poor Japanese. Would that the USA could find such a magnanimous enemy. I'd consider surrendering today.

    ~String
     
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    now i know that there are those that would like to exercise all available options in an war of liberation with n.korea find it useful to dismiss samples of refugee opinions as skewed and unrepresentative of the larger populace.


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    they can ignore.......

    There are serious social effects of preference falsification also. Kuran uses communism as an example of a time when the majority believed differently than their public personas led others to believe. The result was that social change was stifled for decades. When a trigger finally made people feel comfortable in publicizing their beliefs, communism quickly fell. Affirmative action is another issue, according to Kuran, where public personas are often different than private. Anonymous polls routinely show that most Americans are against affirmative action. Yet, the practice persists because few people are willing to endure the horrendous social attacks from the minority who demands the programs. People like Jesse Jackson quickly label as racist those who oppose affirmative action. Recently, the new president of Harvard University found himself in a heated public relations battle. One of the chief complaints against the president was that upon entering office, he did not immediately release a statement praising affirmative action policies. Suddenly, even silence was enough to be branded racist. Kuran notes that the tremendous amount of resources spent defending against claims of racism leads many reasonable people to simply support affirmative action in public.​

    ...really mundane psychological mechanisms in favor of wild eyed woo....

    ..like that apologist who introduces....“One hundred million will die for the Emperor and Nation.” to the toxic mix of mindless and brainwashed drones doing their great leader's bidding. all we need now is some opportunistic politician....

    GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney on Monday called on the United States to take the opportunity of dictator Kim Jong-Il's death to push for regime change in North Korea, a distinctly different message than the calls for stability and caution coming from President Barack Obama's administration

    "Kim Jong-il was a ruthless tyrant who lived a life of luxury while the North Korean people starved. He recklessly pursued nuclear weapons, sold nuclear and missile technology to other rogue regimes, and committed acts of military aggression against our ally South Korea. He will not be missed," Romney said in a Monday morning statement. "His death represents an opportunity for America to work with our friends to turn North Korea off the treacherous course it is on and ensure security in the region. America must show leadership at this time. The North Korean people are suffering through a long and brutal national nightmare. I hope the death of Kim Jong-il hastens its end." ​

    ...and string pickens rides again. still tho, we should stop being so negative. i am sure after victory, we will be opening free radiation treatment clinics with all you can eat mre's. there is a uranium lining in all of this
     
  17. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    No Gustav, those numbers were reasonably accurate.
    The only Woo is You.
     
  18. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    Gus...reality.
    We can't afford another war.

    You could try to whip our populace up here but I have a hunch that people here would get really ticked.
    We're more likely to go to war with Iran and get our butts handed to us there than invade and lose in North Korea, and I doubt the populace actually wants either.

    Why do I say lose? I think the country'd go bankrupt midwar and be forced to withdraw.
    In regards to an American NK invasion...it would not happen without explicit permission from China. Which I doubt we would get.
    Do you think China would quietly hold our debt while we invade and create a US client state on their border?
    Nope.
    They'd massively dump t-bills, our economy would crater. Ooops.
    Too, all our crap is now made in China.
    The Chinese economy and the American economy are conjoined...and if the Chinese choose to take down our economy to stop an NK invasion...guess what?

    So if we rattle our sword at NK it's a bunch of codswallop, IMO. Just as them rattling theirs at us is.
     
  19. Gustav Banned Banned

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    Monday, 22 February 2010, 09:32
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    SUBJECT: VFM CHUN YOUNG-WOO ON SINO-NORTH KOREAN RELATIONS
    Classified By: AMB D. Kathleen Stephens. Reasons 1.4 (b/d).

    6. (S) Chun argued that, in the event of a North Korean collapse, China would clearly "not welcome" any U.S. military presence north of the DMZ. XXXXXXXXXXXX Chun XXXXXXXXXXXX said the PRC would be comfortable with a reunified Korea controlled by Seoul and anchored to the United States in a "benign alliance" -- as long as Korea was not hostile towards China. Tremendous trade and labor-export opportunities for Chinese companies, Chun said, would also help salve PRC concerns about living with a reunified Korea. Chundismissed the prospect of a possible PRC military intervention in the event of a DPRK collapse, noting that China's strategic economic interests now lie with the United States, Japan, and South Korea -- not North Korea. Moreover, Chun argued, bare-knuckle PRC military intervention in a DPRK internal crisis could "strengthen the centrifugal forces in China's minority areas."
     
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  20. Gustav Banned Banned

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    War Games


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    Wŏnsan is a port city and naval base in southeastern North Korea. It is the capital of Kangwŏn Province. The population of the city is estimated to have been 331,000 in 2000. Notable people from Wŏnsan include Kim Ki Nam, diplomat and Secretary of the Workers' Party.

    i'll name the nuke megadeath after my fave band in the whole wide world!
    my ground zero will be Songdowon International Children's Union Camp at 39°11′14″N 127°24′28″E / 39.18722°N 127.40778°E / 39.18722; 127.40778. It still receives teenagers and youth for cultural exchange between North Korea and various foreign countries.


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    who wants to go next?
    dont be bashful
    you are in a safe place
     
  21. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    Obama's action in complete military pull-out in Iraq can be seen to be inadvertently responsible for the train (assassination?) of his second terrorist thug trophy--Kim Jung Il?

    Kim's death coincides with the completed pull-out of American troops from Iraq, which may have convinced China and South Korea they too were playing the game incorrectly...that America is capable of completing a mission, and ending a military occupation...that the continuation of North Korea's incompetent slave populace policy's are a detriment to stability in the region...including allowing the American's their (proven) natural inclination to withdraw occupation of the DMZ...an act they would have...and should have concluded years ago.
     
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  23. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    They would destroy their own economy in the process, conjoined you say. But still invasion of North Korea by US would never happen unless the North did something really stupid like nuke the south, japan, US, etc. Not pissing off our "conjoined" economic partners is just one of many reasons why it will never happen.
     

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