Since it came up... I will try to do some reading-up on techniques of mind-control and deliver a well referenced OP on Friday. Re: Gustav's charge that to declare them brainwashed is to infantilize them... Why? it's everywhere in their culture. In my own culture they spoonfeed us American superiority and exceptionalism...and even though there's no punishment for rejecting that other than low-grade mental dissonance...not too many people do. The Iraq clusterf*ck had a 96% approval rating before we went...You know, I was one of the few running around saying this is a war we don't need and should not fight. The worst I got was a note on my car regarding my flagrant anti-war stickers..:shrug: Finding out about US war crimes is as simple as going to the library and reading the relevant books, but most Americans could not be bothered. So...I see an example of no lack of information, little censorship, little coercive tactics...and the people still believing the lies the government tells them. So, considering that, I fail to see how saying the people of NK are subject to "brainwashing" is infantilizing to them. Too, the United States seems to end up with lots of cults...like Roach Motels for their adherents sometimes-they can check in but can't check out: http://www.rickross.com/reference/waco/waco12.html http://www.xenu.net/roland-intro.html But yes, some of theNorth Koreans probably do love their leader very much. They have no other reference. I am not saying they are in any way inferior or childlike...but it's rather analogous to an abused preschool child. To them, the hunger, terror, and propaganda are just the way the world is.