Star Wars vs Star Trek
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Hellblade8
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Why not? Why do you say they can't be assimilated?
As you stated borg tubelettes can punchture almost anything, so they could eventully overpower Vader in a melee fight because Vader would eventully tire, and the drones would just keep coming.
And them fighting a borg cube, we already know that a cube really can take a beating, and it took a fleet of feds (your avatar is one of them from ST first contact) to destroy one, but what is your imput on SW weaponry energy outputs Hellblade8? We already know TW Scott is over his head on this one.
Hellblade8
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The Empire for Warhammer 40k, but back to this question.
It would be akin to tying up a retarded midget and putting it in a cage match with Godzilla.
No really, it would be murder. The Borg hold thousands of solar systems and millions of Borg vessles. From the weak probe, to the large tactical cubes. Even the weakest of these are a threat to even your average battleship. A Sphere was able to totally beat the pants off Voyager, and Cubes can take on entire fleets of starships. Such as in the Best of Both Worlds, a fleet of 40 starships where easily obliterated, a fleet that could easily destroy 30% of a planet's crust in its opening volly. In First Contact, even after the UFP created more war oriented ships, a single Borg cube was still able to beat its way from a distance nearly equal to that of the Netural Zone, all the way to Sector 001. By the time that the Enterprise E got there, most of the fleet was gone and the Borg cube had sustained heavy damage to its outer hull and had fluctuations in their power grid.
Against an enemy with weaker weapons, far less manuverbility, and next to zilch in the terms of tactics, its going to be murder. Fighters are practically worthless, large ships will be sliced apart and assimilated, and nothing will be able to harm the Borg cube after it adapts.
And before anyone tries the "Borg can only adapt to frequency based weapons" idea, keep in mind that the Borg Cubes can easily block photon torps just as they can with phasers. And you see, photons are matter/antimatter warheads, meaning that their explosive energy doesn't carry a frequency. So, there would have been no way for the Borg to have adapted if all they could adapt to was frequency.
So, the Empire can't damage them save for perhaps ramming, and given the size of the cube and the power of their tractor beams, that isn't likely to happen, and if it does, the ship can repair itself if at least 21% or more of the ship is left intact, or they could beam to another ship and assimilate that, or if the cube and the drones are destroyed, they can just send ten cubes.
In short, the Empire is facing an enemy with greater firepower than even the UFP, numbers high enough that they can't be steam rolled, transwarp hubs that makes their hyperspace look like its standing still, far higher building capacity, the tactical knowledge of every species they've ever assimilated, as well as any tactical knowledge from any imperial officers they assimilate, and the hive mind mentality.
Hellblade8
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But on the material plane, they are physical beings are they not? And even if that is so, then the Borg would simply assimilate people who do know how to fight them, take their tech to the next level, and then eliminate the demons themselves. If this still fails, they can simply time travel back and assimilate earth before the warp becomes so unbalanced, then move onto the rest of the 40k Galaxy.
An Hellblade8, compared to the other average rated combat ship of it's refit, how good do you thing the Excelsior-II class is? (Enterprise-B and Lakota with quantum torpedos and combat upgrade on DS9aradise Lost episodede.)
aradise Lost episodede.)Hellblade8
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Hmm, hard to say. We know that Han made a mention to a thousand ships, but he was also saying they would need far greater firepower than-,well something. Given it in the best estimation of them needing a thousand ships to destroy a planet, and the fact that the UFP can do it with like, 40 ships or so, I would say that a thousand Imperials ships are equal to 40 UFP ships, at best.
But that's really just a lazy way of looking at it. We can look at their destruction of that astroid in Empire Strikes back, but that's hardly all that impressive.
I would have to say kilotons, perhaps single digit megatons for their HTLs.
Fettman this is ST vs. SW I don't know why you keep advertising another thread here.
Hellblade8
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An Hellblade8, compared to the other average rated combat ship of it's refit, how good do you thing the Excelsior-II class is? (Enterprise-B and Lakota with quantum torpedos and combat upgrade on DS9
Well, it took on the Defiant to a standstill. Granted, both where likely not using their full power on each other given the akward situation, but I would say that its around the same class as the Defiant, though I would put it as a bit less given that its a larger target and has a few older systems.
Hellblade8
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Okay, I'll put my two cents worth in that debate.
If you take a very liberal meaning for destroy a palnet this is certainly true. However there ia a huge difference between scarring the surface and blowing the planet completely away.
To pull off the same thing that 40 Romulan and Cardassian cruisers attempted the Empire needs only send ONE Imperial Star Destroyer.
The Asteroid vaporization scene in ESB takes a MINIMUM or 347.6104561 megatons just to heat the materials to the corresponding temperature. This does not count in the rapid work heating, the losses from convection/conduction, or the change of state energies.
Meanwhile you precious photon torpedo has a 25 ton warhead according to SI.
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The borg woulf not fare well at all. Borg offense relies on the enemy having a weak spot, like ST shields which flicker on and off. Their defence revolves around their enemies using weak weapons and trying to fight one on one.
Against the Galatic Empire the borg have none of these working for them.
No actully SW sheilds are weaker because they don't use harmonics.
Shield Harmonics > No Harmonics. Shields are electric of some form in nature- they MUST have a frequency of some sort. Even direct current has a frequency.
Thus it stands to reason Star Wars shields have some form of frequency- they just cannot change them.
Thus it stands to reason Star Wars shields have some form of frequency- they just cannot change them.
TW Scott, A.K.A. Prof. Shithead, we have and always will reject your critism, prove you wrong, and I suggest that I, Hellblade8, Sunquist (if I spelled that correctly) and Kittamaru completely ignore your posts, whatever you say, and ignore your imput onto the final verdict. (The final verdict probably won't happen, but still.)
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