I don't see professional people wearing tattoos like doctors, lawyers, dentists, and business professionals, but it's common on people employed in entertainment and professional athletics.

I don't mean to sound judgmental, but I think it looks terrible when someone covers themselves with tattoos. When I was coming up, they were employed as "geeks" in freak shows along with the super fatties and other "rare" freakish oddities. I really have a hard time shaking this image for someone covered in tattoos.

Why would someone do this to themselves? Their tastes will change over time. When they get old they'll probably be very sorry they did this to themselves.

There is one major reason people get tattoos, and one minor one. The major, is to fit in. Be they real tribal, that horrid fake tribal crap, regimental insignia, or the 'open for business' base of spine tattoo, it's a sign they follow the crowd.

The minor reason is self expression, but this is really minor. Take the very rare occasions you see something different and individual on someone.

I'm not keen on tattoos, so I have none, and neither do my close friends, despite growing up as headbangers. I never saw anything I liked enough to want it for ever. I guess most folks aren't thinking about the long run when they get them done, but some of my fathers old military pals had really awful old blurred tats that looked dreadful, so I knew what the end product could look like, and let's face it, the last thing a saggy old man needs is a shit tattoo.

OK, I've seen full body tattoos that look good, but they tend to be on good looking people. Butt ugly people with lots of body mods are still butt ugly, however.

The minor reason is self expression, but this is really minor.
That's why I have mine - none of my friends had them... so it's hardly to "fit in". But I agree asignificant portion of those with tats have them "because everyone else does".
I don't see professional people wearing tattoos like doctors, lawyers, dentists, and business professionals,
I'm a professional engineer...

Those higher-level jobs tend to require wearing clothes that make it easy to hide a tattoo where nobody will see it, at least while you're at work, so you could see some such people who have them, and not know that they do.

But I agree that either it is at least less common among them, or it's generally believed by most people to be so, which could make it so anyway... essentially an inverse relationship between tattooedness and how seriously other people can take you. I never thought of it like that before, but that makes it appear as if a young person getting a tattoo is already deciding NOT to be taken seriously in the future, or thinks (s)he never will be anyway.

Those higher-level jobs tend to require wearing clothes that make it easy to hide a tattoo where nobody will see it,
That's possible, but I can't hide my hair... Braids and beads, halfway down my back. :D
Doesn't matter if the tats are visible or not in that case are does it?

but that makes it appear as if a young person getting a tattoo is already deciding NOT to be taken seriously in the future, or thinks (s)he never will be anyway.
That's a failure of perception on everyone else's part, of course. The very fact that I look the way I do and do the job I do says implicitly that I SHOULD be taken seriously, because I'm so good at what I do I can afford to look the way I WANT TO.
I have never had adverse comments at work or in interviews (in some cases quite the opposite...)
Dunno, could be a US/ UK thing...

That's why I have mine - none of my friends had them... so it's hardly to "fit in".

So are they original?

One is, one isn't and the third is original in the UK but apparently not the US..

i am thinking of having the verse that oppenheimer quoted from the bhagavad vita tatooed on my forearm.,i think its one of the most beautiful things i have ever read....opinions?

That's a failure of perception on everyone else's part, of course. The very fact that I look the way I do and do the job I do says implicitly that I SHOULD be taken seriously, because I'm so good at what I do I can afford to look the way I WANT TO.
I have never had adverse comments at work or in interviews (in some cases quite the opposite...)
Dunno, could be a US/ UK thing...

Yeah but Engineering jobs I've had tend to have a fairly relaxed atmosphere anyway. Most of us dont bother wearing a tie, and this summer most of us are wearing t-shirts/jeans. It may be different, in say a bank or law firm.

ive got three tattoos that are original designs. anyone who has ever commented on them says "wow, thats the coolest tattoo ive ever seen!"

^^ Its not your name and address is it?

i am thinking of having the verse that oppenheimer quoted from the bhagavad vita tatooed on my forearm.,i think its one of the most beautiful things i have ever read....opinions?

That would be pretentious shit.

that horrid fake tribal crap, ... or the 'open for business' base of spine tattoo, it's a sign they follow the crowd.

I don't like Tramp Stamps or fake tribal bullshit either.
I would also never pick a tattoo "off the wall".
I've wanted a tattoo since I was a kid (my father was a tattooed biker - over 20 of them) and it took me until I was 25 to finally decide on one that I designed myself.
It is on my thigh high enough to be covered by the shorts I wear, so no one sees it unless I make a point to show it to them.
I am currently working on my second one, ten years later, which will go in the same place on my other thigh.
They both represent my spiritual/philosphical beliefs.
If my beliefs change, I will not change my tattoos, I don't deny, nor am I ashamed of who I have been in the past.

My third one, I'm planning on being be a full back piece - again, no one will see it unless I show it to them.

Getting a tattoo because it is a popular trend at the moment, because it is cute or because you think it makes you cool is lame - not just because you are trying to fit in, because if that's why you are doing it, that's likely why you are doing everything you do, and that's sad.

That would be pretentious shit.

how so?

Those higher-level jobs tend to require wearing clothes that make it easy to hide a tattoo where nobody will see it, at least while you're at work, so you could see some such people who have them, and not know that they do.

But you don't see tattoos on their forearms, necks, hands, and faces. People that are covered with tattoos aren't hard to spot.

But I agree that either it is at least less common among them, or it's generally believed by most people to be so, which could make it so anyway... essentially an inverse relationship between tattooedness and how seriously other people can take you. I never thought of it like that before, but that makes it appear as if a young person getting a tattoo is already deciding NOT to be taken seriously in the future, or thinks (s)he never will be anyway.

Yes, I have to agree with you on that point. It's hard to take a person seriously when they're covered with tattoos.

I must admit, if I saw a surgeon covered with tattoos, I'd be looking for somebody else to do my operation. I'd be thinking -- man if this guy doesn't care about his own body, why should he care about mine?

But you don't see tattoos on their forearms, necks, hands, and faces. People that are covered with tattoos aren't hard to spot.



Yes, I have to agree with you on that point. It's hard to take a person seriously when they're covered with tattoos.

I must admit, if I saw a surgeon covered with tattoos, I'd be looking for somebody else to do my operation. I'd be thinking -- man if this guy doesn't care about his own body, why should he care about mine?

You explained your own point. That is why "professional people" are less likely to have tatoos. It hurts their careers. Actors and athletes aren't affected that way, so they are free to get whatever tatoos they like.

Yeah but Engineering jobs I've had tend to have a fairly relaxed atmosphere anyway. Most of us dont bother wearing a tie, and this summer most of us are wearing t-shirts/jeans. It may be different, in say a bank or law firm.


I'm a licensed engineer in the US. I've never seen an engineer with tattoos. It's a sign of "gruntness." The grunts on the production floor have bunches of tattoos.

^^ Its not your name and address is it?

not per se...
i think tomorrow evening ill post some pictures of my tattoos.
ill be getting another this summer, on my upper back/shoulders.

But you don't see tattoos on their forearms, necks, hands, and faces. People that are covered with tattoos aren't hard to spot.

the ceo of the corporation i worked for for over 5 years had like 10 tattoos.
shows how much you know.

Getting a tattoo because it is a popular trend at the moment, because it is cute or because you think it makes you cool is lame - not just because you are trying to fit in, because if that's why you are doing it, that's likely why you are doing everything you do, and that's sad.

Can you imagine what it will be like when it's no longer cool?
What will the crowd-pleasers do with all those tattoos?

I never saw a tattoo on an old person that looked good. The skin gets so wrinkled and discolored.

I don't do tattoos. "Tramp Stamps" as they are sometimes referred. Though I wouldn't mind a sickle & hammer tat on me right bum.

the ceo of the corporation i worked for for over 5 years had like 10 tattoos.
shows how much you know.

Was he in entertainment? I've already agreed they are fair game. How do you know he has 10 tattoos?

How old is he? Does he have body piercings too?

I don't do tattoos. "Tramp Stamps" as they are sometimes referred.

For once I have to agree with you Genji.

I took the family to a regional theme park last summer and almost every adult there had tattoos except us. It really looked cheap. Most of them smoked too.

We decided we'd never go back to that geek joint. They had no class at all it seemed, not just how they looked, but the way they acted as well. Tattoos do not give someone respectability.

For once I have to agree with you Genji.

I took the family to a regional theme park last summer and almost every adult there had tattoos except us. It really looked cheap. Most of them smoked too.

We decided we would never go back to that geek joint. They had no class at all it seemed, not just by the way the looked , but the way they acted as well. Tattoos do not give someone respectability.Tattoos garner respect in prison culture and gang culture. Both are highly glamorized now. Not everyone that's stamped is a tramp but it connotes a lack of self respect and personal strength. A tatt is saying: LOOK EVERYONE! I succumbed to peer pressure! I look like a gangbanger in an urban ghetto!! YIPPEE!!!! Look at MEE! I have tattoos like maximum security inmates!!!!!

Tattoos garner respect in prison culture and gang culture. Both are highly glamorized now. Not everyone that's stamped is a tramp but it connotes a lack of self respect and personal strength. A tatt is saying: LOOK EVERYONE! I succumbed to peer pressure!

It's the pirate image, with ear rings, etc.

Everyone tries to look like their hero I suppose.

What's wrong with a person just being themselves?

I look like a gangbanger in an urban ghetto!! YIPPEE!!!! Look at MEE! I have tattoos like maximum security inmates!!!!!

In other words they are fit to spit on. Excellent point.

Why don't they just get a big spittoon tattoo on the old face?

Tattoos and body piercings kill a job interview in a lot of professions:

http://www.youngmoney.com/careers/advice/030127_04

The person he knew there said the reason he didn't get the job was because of the piercings. But obviously, that can't be said directly to him because it would be illegal. In his job he'd have to work directly with the public and it wasn't acceptable. Her suggestion: take the earrings out if he applied for another job there. He decided that he didn't want the job bad enough to do that.

http://www.jobweb.com/resources/library/Interviews/Appropriate_Attire_34_01.htm

For men, if you wear an earring (or several), remove it before the interview.

Want to be an aviation professional? Cover that tattoo with a bandage:

http://www.avjobs.com/interviews/interview-step-by-step.asp

Never fear, there's tattoo camo for the tasteless tattoo that's out of style:

http://www.tattoocamo.com/about.html

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"out of place artwork for your place in society" in other words "no longer wants to look like a tramp"

I've never really seriously wanted a tattoo, though a few original designs have been made for me by an excellent artist.
I don't want to encumber my skin with images, because my interpretation of them shifts with moods and other changes of my psyche. And I myself play many roles depending on the mood and occasion - punk rocker, monk, metal head, psychiatric, shaman, lawyer, boy, girl, human, other animal, I just keep shifting day to day and am very impermanent, so any image would only tie me down.

I wouldn't want to work at a job that doesn't want me as I am any way.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/dreams.png

I have that image printed out and attached to a wall above my desk at work.

I've never really seriously wanted a tattoo, though a few original designs have been made for me by an excellent artist.
I don't want to encumber my skin with images, because my interpretation of them shifts with moods and other changes of my psyche. And I myself play many roles depending on the mood and occasion - punk rocker, monk, metal head, psychiatric, shaman, lawyer, boy, girl, human, other animal, I just keep shifting day to day and am very impermanent, so any image would only tie me down.

I create my own universe everyday. Time erases the slate and I create it again. Music is the perfect medium for creativity. It energizes me everyday to pick up a guitar and play whatever crosses my mind. In a universe of my own choosing I don't care what others think.

I guess that has nothing to do with a tattoo. A tattoo is someone else's creation -- why would I want their creation on me? :shrug:

Time doesn't erase that slate. Everyday the same old tattoo that someone else created. I'd be stamped forever to conform to their universe.

I never saw a tattoo on an old person that looked good. The skin gets so wrinkled and discolored.

I know this guy, he'll be 50 this summer, with tattos on his scalp. Big, celtic, bravehart style shit, and he wears his graying hair back in a ponytail. Huge guy, wicked talented fighter. Probably the coolest tattoos I've seen.

I think it looks terrible when someone covers themselves with tattoos.
Agreed, its like smoking...a form of self defilement.

Aww, come on, many tattoos are pretty beautiful to look at, especially if they have been made with that particular body in mind.

I know this guy, he'll be 50 this summer, with tattos on his scalp. Big, celtic, bravehart style shit, and he wears his graying hair back in a ponytail. Huge guy, wicked talented fighter. Probably the coolest tattoos I've seen.

A fighter that looks like a prison inmate.
May be he's a nice guy, but I suppose he earns the respect that a bully gets.

Aww, come on, many tattoos are pretty beautiful to look at, especially if they have been made with that particular body in mind.

I asked the wife, and she agrees -- a tattoo NEVER makes a woman look RESPECTABLE, and it NEVER makes her look like she has CLASS. Can you think of an example?

I think some of the lower back tattoos look pretty sexy when a girl wears low rider jeans, like maybe Gretchen Wilson. But I can't say it looks respectable. Hence she carries the white trailer trash image.

Actors and athletes aren't affected that way, so they are free to get whatever tatoos they like.

Maybe atheletes are completely free to tattoo whatever and wherever they want.

Some acting parts are not compatible with tattoos. It looks so out of place for some scenes because it's so culture-labeled.

Tatoos are a form of expression. Very cliche. Seriously though, what's wrong with tatoos?

if you want a tattoo then thats fine with me, its your body not mine i cant judge. its just like a piercing is a form of body art.



peace.

I don't want one. They can look cool on guy's with the right physique, but I can't stand seeing them on women, I immediately think, trollop.

I wouldn't want to work at a job that doesn't want me as I am any way.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/dreams.png

I have that image printed out and attached to a wall above my desk at work.

That's great...couldn't agree more.

I don't do tattoos. "Tramp Stamps" as they are sometimes referred.

I've only heard of the ones on the lower back being called Tramp Stamps.

For those that determine whether or not someone has class based solely on whether or not someone decides to get a tattoo (which is a thousands-year old practice, and the current stigma is a fairly recent phenomena based on recent social norms), I fell sorry for you.

Class has nothing to do with how you decorate your body (and let's face it, everyone decorates their bodies in one way or another) it has everything to do with the person you are and the manner in which you conduct yourself.
This who judge people on such superficial matters, in my opinion, lack class.

i would get "fuck the police" right across my back

now thats class, :bravo:

peace.

Genji:
A tatt is saying: LOOK EVERYONE! I succumbed to peer pressure!
Yeah? Considering when I got mine not one single person I knew had one... peer pressure? You're generalising.

Woody:
I asked the wife, and she agrees -- a tattoo NEVER makes a woman look RESPECTABLE, and it NEVER makes her look like she has CLASS. Can you think of an example?
Wow! Who made your wife the final arbiter of what's class and what isn't? As a a matter of fact about 75% of the women I now know that have tats are also classy - the remainder couldn't be classy if they had lessons, but that's a different story.

Genji:

Yeah? Considering when I got mine not one single person I knew had one... peer pressure? You're generalising.

Woody:

Wow! Who made your wife the final arbiter of what's class and what isn't? As a a matter of fact about 75% of the women I now know that have tats are also classy - the remainder couldn't be classy if they had lessons, but that's a different story.

So tattoos makes a woman look elegant, like she was brought up right from a respectable family. oookeee

(I guess nobody asked the parents)

A lot of the women I see with tatts look like either dykes or prostitutes. I live in a college town.

I've only heard of the ones on the lower back being called Tramp Stamps.

For those that determine whether or not someone has class based solely on whether or not someone decides to get a tattoo (which is a thousands-year old practice, and the current stigma is a fairly recent phenomena based on recent social norms), I fell sorry for you.

Class has nothing to do with how you decorate your body (and let's face it, everyone decorates their bodies in one way or another) it has everything to do with the person you are and the manner in which you conduct yourself.
This who judge people on such superficial matters, in my opinion, lack class.

It reduces their chances of getting a respectable job. Personal appearance counts -- ask a recruiter -- Tattoos and body pearcings make a statement. Hence, any recruiter will tell you it's bad for most professional employment opportunities.

Personally, I haven't seen any intelligent people wearing tattoos. It's just the dumb asses out on the production floor, or the street people that have those things. A lot of them smoke cigarettes too.

We have several tattoo shops within two blocks of where I live. A lot of the people that go in those places look pretty creepy to me -- like bikers, and prostitutes that my next door neighbor puts in jail. He's a district attorney.

Personally, I don't ever want a tatt. I see the practical side - years from now, I know I'd regret it, unless I had a very good reason to get it in the first place.

Some look attractive, but in a professional situation or one where you want people to take you seriously, it doesn't go down well. Life's a bitch and all that, but that's just the way it is. Why screw yourself over for believing you have the upperhand. If you were serious about getting a job, you'd straighten your hair, wash your face and polish your shoes. As much as wearing a pair of skater shoes, some shorts and a baggy t-shirt might be your thing, it doesn't bode well when first impressions count. You say you feel sorry for the judgemental one_raven, but again, that's life. I strongly doubt you aren't prone to judging people. Not giving them a chance based on their looks is another thing, and I'd agree with that if that's what you're saying, but it does have an effect.

I respect people who have them for spiritual or religious reasons, but only if it's their true desire/belief and there are decent reasons for them having a tattoo. If it's 'the popular thing to do' in any situation - religuous, spiritual or culturally, then I can't take it seriously.

Never knew I felt so strongly about it. :)

Tattoos on women are definately slutty.
Their purpose is to be worn by males to intimidate other males (and attract females with their male-intimidating ability), they're like the colourfull face of a mandrill, or how topi males rub mud on their face before they fight, or how tribesmen in papua new guinea stick bones though their faces and wear masks with feathers on them and etc.

In our culture males claim they get them to symbolise some crap or whatever because they are morons, they really get them to look hard, to make more impact with their appearance.

Women getting them stupidly achieve the same thing, which makes them very unfeminine and rough looking, like hardened old diseased street urchins.

They're so effective I'd feel notably less bad about punching a tattoo'd woman in the face than I would a non-tattoo'd woman.

It reduces their chances of getting a respectable job. Personal appearance counts -- ask a recruiter -- Tattoos and body pearcings make a statement. Hence, any recruiter will tell you it's bad for most professional employment opportunities.
And you haven't read my posts have you - I have NEVER had trouble at interviews - my prospective employers are (and should be) interested only in my capabilities. That's all they pay me for.
Personally, I haven't seen any intelligent people wearing tattoos
Three tats, two piercings, "weird hair" and IQ 162. Any more comments? Oh and I'm a biker as well...

And you haven't read my posts have you - I have NEVER had trouble at interviews - my prospective employers are (and should be) interested only in my capabilities. That's all they pay me for.

Three tats, two piercings, "weird hair" and IQ 162. Any more comments? Oh and I'm a biker as well...

Don't forget the leather jacket and black goggles.

Sunglasses not "goggles". Sorry, so much part of me I forget to mention them... :D

I don't see professional people wearing tattoos like doctors, lawyers, dentists, and business professionals, but it's common on people employed in entertainment and professional athletics.

I don't mean to sound judgmental, but I think it looks terrible when someone covers themselves with tattoos. When I was coming up, they were employed as "geeks" in freak shows along with the super fatties and other "rare" freakish oddities. I really have a hard time shaking this image for someone covered in tattoos.

Why would someone do this to themselves? Their tastes will change over time. When they get old they'll probably be very sorry they did this to themselves.

I am one of those "professionals", and I have a small tattoo on my left should blade. I got it when I was 17 and over a decade later I am still happy with it. It reminds me of a special time in my life when the rules and responsibilities were different... and I cant not look at it and give a small smile for some of the moment it helps me recall.

Not everyone is a square gray mindless zombie... some people actually like some color and variation in their lives.

*cue song*

Little boxes on the hillside, Little boxes made of ticky-tacky, Little boxes on the hillside, Little boxes, all the same. There's a green one and a pink one And a blue one and a yellow one And they're all made out of ticky-tacky And they all look just the same.

And the people in the houses All went to the university, Where they were put in boxes, And they came out all the same. And there's doctors and there's lawyers And business executives, And they're all made out of ticky-tacky And they all look just the same.

And they all play on the golf-course, And drink their Martinis dry, And they all have pretty children, And the children go to school. And the children go to summer camp And then to the university, Where they are put in boxes And they come out all the same.

And the boys go into business, And marry, and raise a family, In boxes made of ticky-tacky, And they all look just the same. There's a green one and a pink one And a blue one and a yellow one And they're all made out of ticky-tacky And they all look just the same.

Three tats, two piercings, "weird hair" and IQ 162. Any more comments?
Yes.
You're an insecure boring loser, and you're also a wuss.
I agree with you it doesn't indicate much as far as intelligence is concerned, but the only people who get gratuitous tatts, piercings and make their hair "radical" are boring and wussy without fail, trying to compensate for these weaknesses by putting on a front.
It all stems from insecurity.
It's like weak or sick dogs will snarl and growl and put on a vigorous display, while a strong confident dog is usually stoic and and calm and not trying to prove anything.
You're bluffing. I mean who is a biker in this day and age? Wussy losers, that's who, and mid life crisis sufferers.
The real biker gangs are gone, punk is over, metal is over, goth was never anything significant, anyone putting on any of these masks these days is a faggot and softcock, and they aren't fooling anyone bar the odd "soccer mom".

Yes.
You're an insecure boring loser, and you're also a wuss.
I agree with you it doesn't indicate much as far as intelligence is concerned, but the only people who get gratuitous tatts, piercings and make their hair "radical" are boring and wussy without fail, trying to compensate for these weaknesses by putting on a front.
It all stems from insecurity.
It's like weak or sick dogs will snarl and growl and put on a vigorous display, while a strong confident dog is usually stoic and and calm and not trying to prove anything.
You're bluffing. I mean who is a biker in this day and age? Wussy losers, that's who, and mid life crisis sufferers.
The real biker gangs are gone, punk is over, metal is over, goth was never anything significant, anyone putting on any of these masks these days is a faggot and softcock, and they aren't fooling anyone bar the odd "soccer mom".

I have a bike and a tattoo. Calling me a wuss? Be very very careful here, because I would like to compare your e-penis size with mine based on your response.

And you haven't read my posts have you - I have NEVER had trouble at interviews - my prospective employers are (and should be) interested only in my capabilities. That's all they pay me for.

Three tats, two piercings, "weird hair" and IQ 162. Any more comments? Oh and I'm a biker as well...

So are you an IT geek stuck away in some dark cubicle, or do you interface with your company's customers and regulatory agencies?

I have never ever seen a professional person waving tattoos around during a public presentation and I've been to an awful lot of them. The thought of it makes me feel kind of funny, like maybe it's a carnival show or a metal concert instead of something serious minded.

Still waiting... Im actually really pissed off at your gay comments. I really wish I could confront you in real life so we can talk about wuss`s and what makes them cry more intimately.

Shut it wuss.

The real biker gangs are gone, punk is over, metal is over, goth was never anything significant, anyone putting on any of these masks these days is a faggot and softcock, and they aren't fooling anyone bar the odd "soccer mom".

Since when is metal dead? It's pretty alive in this corner of the world.

I have never ever seen a professional person waving tattoos around during a public presentation.
Why would he? Unless it's the topic of the presentation.

Since when is metal dead? It's pretty alive in this corner of the world.


It's still a music genre at the music awards. I must admit, the metal artists are the creepiest ones there. It's not just the tatttoos and body piercings, but the venerial warts and other physical deformities as well.

I think Slash from Guns and Roses is about the ugliest looking dude on the planet. The wife agrees.

So are you an IT geek stuck away in some dark cubicle, or do you interface with your company's customers and regulatory agencies
I see you still specialise in unjustified assumptions.
No I'm a mechanical engineer. I see clients, suppliers and many others on a regular basis - including being the only one from the firm to go to international conferences (but that would be because of my language skills as well as engineering ability).

You're an insecure boring loser, and you're also a wuss.
Yeah right, that must be the answer. Ha ha.
I don't do "gangs" bike or not - and they were never a big part of the UK scene anyway. WTF is the point of being in a group on a 180mph bike?

Tattoos on women are definately slutty.
Their purpose is to be worn by males to intimidate other males (and attract females with their male-intimidating ability), they're like the colourfull face of a mandrill, or how topi males rub mud on their face before they fight, or how tribesmen in papua new guinea stick bones though their faces and wear masks with feathers on them and etc.

Great analogy. Good humor too.

"Impress the chicks by rubbing mud on your face."

I think I see a stereotype unfolding: Tattoos all over the body, cigarette in mouth, and lots of missing teeth, wandering the streets to and fro. Yes, how often I've seen it:

Chains hanging out of pockets, dressed in black, body piercings everywhere with inflamation and swelling, shorts to the knees showing legs that that are tattooed almost solid black. Some still riding skateboards though they are in their 20s now.

and somebody is supposed to take these losers seriously?

I think I see a stereotype unfolding:
Yeah, that's all you ever see.

Yeah, that's all you ever see.

THat's all I ever saw to start with. The carnival geek act had a lasting impression when I was quite young. Tattoos = freak.

In the not so distant past, a man covered with tattoos could get a job at the carnival geek show. Nowdays -- no big deal.

Tattoos = freak.
Fortunately there are enough rational people in the world that yours isn't a universal opinion.

Chains hanging out of pockets, dressed in black, body piercings everywhere with inflamation and swelling, shorts to the knees showing legs that that are tattooed almost solid black. Some still riding skateboards though they are in their 20s now.
and somebody is supposed to take these losers seriously?
And again you display your ignorance - are ALL people with tattoos and piercings in this category?

Inflamation and swelling? Hardly. Ooh, and skateboarding in your 20s is also a crime?

I don't do "gangs" bike or not
Ofcourse, it was obvious you had nothing to do with gangs, instead you want to give off the visual impression that maybe you could be affiliated with a gang.
This is because you are frightened of other men, and you go out of your way to appear like an unappealing adversary.

Real bikers were legitimately unappealing adversaries, because they killed people and worked in packs and were mean rough bastards.
You're not, you're a soft wussy engineer, and you don the attire of a biker to make more capable human beings think you might be a biker and thus think twice about targetting you.
You're like one of those moths which has evolved the colouration of a wasp to avoid being preyed upon.
You both have squishy succulent abdomens.

I just noticed this;
Sunglasses not "goggles". Sorry, so much part of me I forget to mention them...
Another dead give away. Shades are "so much a part of you" because you can hide your timid gaze behind them.

Ofcourse, it was obvious you had nothing to do with gangs, instead you want to give off the visual impression that maybe you could be affiliated with a gang
Crap - bike gangs were never that big in the UK.
This is because you are frightened of other men, and you go out of your way to appear like an unappealing adversary.
Equally crap. I don't go out of my way for anything.

Real bikers were legitimately unappealing adversaries, because they killed people and worked in packs and were mean rough bastards.
But they weren't "real bikers" they were thugs who just happened to ride bikes - and not particularly good ones at that.
You're not, you're a soft wussy engineer, and you don the attire of a biker to make more capable human beings think you might be a biker and thus think twice about targetting you.
I don the attire of a biker beacuse I ride a bike. More capable human beings? In what field? If someone wants to target me they're welcome..

Another dead give away. Shades are "so much a part of you" because you can hide your timid gaze behind them.
Or because I've been wearing them so long (due to UK restrictions on tinted visors)...

One more stereotype coming up:

Oli, there's no use,
Woody probably is a nice dressing, clean cut, sunday church going, white handed christian traditionalist who porbably listens to gospel music.

Olie, you timid polly!

Tattoos on women are definately slutty.

Women getting them stupidly achieve the same thing, which makes them very unfeminine and rough looking, like hardened old diseased street urchins.

...

They're so effective I'd feel notably less bad about punching a tattoo'd woman in the face than I would a non-tattoo'd woman.
http://www.tattoosunlimited.com/tattoo-designs/lower-back-tattoo.jpg
Slutty I'll give you (and thank God for it).
Unfeminine? Rough-looking? Punch? :crazy:

None of these arguments apply to someone who has a tattoo that no one can see.
As I said, my first is on my upper thigh that no one sees unless I show it to them.
My secodn will be in the same place on my opposie thigh.
My third will be on my back.
No one at work has ever seen my tattoo (nor will they see the others).
I am a well-paid professional at an international bank.
No one "on the street" ever sees my tattoos, so I am not trying to "prove anything" or "put on a front".
No women ever see them, unless they have already seen me naked, so I am not trying to impress and get the chicks.
My current and my next two are very much for spiritual reasons.
All your lame stereotypes fall flat on their faces right here.

Dr lou your posts are fucking hilarious, thanks man that made me smile,

(not joking seriously good stuff)

peace.

Oli, there's no use,
Woody probably is a nice dressing, clean cut, sunday church going, white handed christian traditionalist who porbably listens to gospel music.
You forgot to add "closed-minded". I know Woody of old...
PS Avatar - your cartoon now adorns my desktop - love it, thanks.
one_raven:
None of these arguments apply to someone who has a tattoo that no one can see.
Which was another assumption on Woody's part - mine are (almost) always covered.

None of these arguments apply to someone who has a tattoo that no one can see.
As I said, my first is on my upper thigh that no one sees unless I show it to them.
My secodn will be in the same place on my opposie thigh.
My third will be on my back.
No one at work has ever seen my tattoo (nor will they see the others).
I am a well-paid professional at an international bank.
No one "on the street" ever sees my tattoos, so I am not trying to "prove anything" or "put on a front".
No women ever see them, unless they have already seen me naked, so I am not trying to impress and get the chicks.
My current and my next two are very much for spiritual reasons.
All your lame stereotypes fall flat on their faces right here.

thats the truth,


peace.

I heard all the same bullshit about making it difficult to get a job from my sister when I was younger about my pierced ears.
I have known countless doctors, lawyers, senior executives at my bank, business-owners, etc. that have been men with their ear(s) pierced.
Just as I have known quite a few professionals - successful, respectable ones - with tattoos.
The only place these sterotypes exist as truth is in your own minds.

I think you would be amazed at how many "respectable" people you know that have tattos under their shirts.
If you found out that your doctor had a tattoo, would you suddenly lose respect for him or her and find a new doctor?
If so, as I said, I think that's sad.
If not, then you should realize that your stereotypes are meaningless.

i want to get a tattoo but im waiting until i have fully developed so it doesent stretch out.

i think people just look at bad people with tattoos and assume the worst, you know how humans stereotype everything and anything they can, just let them be little punks about it.

tattoos are for gang members and wanabees only they dont represent anything meaningful. :itold:

peace.

Crap - bike gangs were never that big in the UK.


I knew this biker guy who went by the monicker of 'Maggot', had a nice red pan head Harley.

Turned out he was a company director called 'Colin' in real life! I suspect many hairy bikers out there are probably 'living the dream' and return to more accepted lifestyles when they are off their bikes, so yes, ''bike gangs" were far from a dangerous underclass here in the UK, really.

There is a biker gang in New Jersey made up of only cops.

And I'm pretty sure they are all tattooed - all the ones I know are.

“ Originally Posted by phlogistician
That would be pretentious shit. ”

how so?

If you want to introduce people to the verse, buy them a copy.

If you are going to a tattoo, make it original. Design it yourself, don't lift it.

oli have you never heard of the old mods and rocker gangs? they were huge! nearly everybody was a mod or a rocker both biker gang culture,



peace.

Quadrophenia.

people are trying to use this as the trashy girl with a tattoo stereotype.
http://www.bentwave.org/blog/artParade/IMG_7168.jpg




this is trashy?
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/47/157099811_cd6c01aa82.jpg?v=0





and what about this thats not slutty.
http://www.tattoos-by-design.co.uk/Celebrities/images/cruz1.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8a/Quadrophenia_%28album%29.jpg

I have always found it difficult to take anyone on a scooter (sorry, "mod") and calling himself a "biker" seriously.
I can't help but giggle when I see that old Fine Young Cannibals video with the London "Mod Gang" riding their little scooters down the street.
You might as well be on tricycles.

Yes I know, I have stereotypes too.
Who doesn't?

haha yeah i know,

both of those cultures died out in the 70's- 80's but they were still bike gangs that were violent and at war with each other,


peace.

http://www.brightonwalks.com/pics/quad/bw_still.jpg



http://the59club.com/public_html/download.jpg



they were still violent gangs, alot of bikers still meet up in london at a place called the ace cafe on the north circular near brent cross,


peace.

oli have you never heard of the old mods and rocker gangs? they were huge! nearly everybody was a mod or a rocker both biker gang culture,

Huge? Nearly everybody? I remember them. I knew a few of both, and they were never as bad as they were made out to be. Plus the fact that two-three years ago there was a documentary about the original "fights" in Brighton.
The newsteam that first reported on it admitted that they'd deliberately filmed the worst parts and stretched it out to make it look far larger and nastier than it was. Then people who had been there (mods and rockers) were interviewed. Some said "Yeah we had a fight, but it was for the cameras" most said "I was there, and if someone came past on a scooter, fair enough, but I prefer bikes" or vice versa.
They weren't "gangs" as such, just large numbers of individual or paired bikers/ scooter riders that turned up at the same place at the same time.
Much as any Sunday at Hemswell, Stibby Cafe (if they still go there) or Sherbourne...

Huge? Nearly everybody? I remember them. I knew a few of both, and they were never as bad as they were made out to be. Plus the fact that two-three years ago there was a documentary about the original "fights" in Brighton.
The newsteam that first reported on it admitted that they'd deliberately filmed the worst parts and stretched it out to make it look far larger and nastier than it was. Then people who had been there (mods and rockers) were interviewed. Some said "Yeah we had a fight, but it was for the cameras" most said "I was there, and if someone came past on a scooter, fair enough, but I prefer bikes" or vice versa.
They weren't "gangs" as such, just large numbers of individual or paired bikers/ scooter riders that turned up at the same place at the same time.
Much as any Sunday at Hemswell, Stibby Cafe (if they still go there) or Sherbourne...

yes some of what you say is true, but mods and rockers were gangs, im not saying that the hundreds of them that met up were all affiliated in the same gang,

but in smaller groups they were gangs, groups of around 10-20 people that made up small groups and those groups would meet up now and then in mass,

members of my family were mods and rockers in the past, it was a little fad back then. but it wasnt all for show in every case,


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mods_and_Rockers
peace.

but mods and rockers were gangs
Difference in perception between UK and US. What the UK called a gang was nothing compared to US gangs that actually lived the lifestyle (Sonny Barger et al). UK "gangs" were (and still are), by and large, weekends together on the road to somewhere and week nights in the pub.

A picture says it all

http://www.geeeek.com/images/geek_tattoo.jpg

Military servicemen and red necks were the first people to have tattoos. Red necks gave it the trailer trash image back in the 60s.

Now that red neck is so cool, everyone does it.

A picture says it all

http://www.geeeek.com/images/geek_tattoo.jpg

No it REALLY doesn't.

No it REALLY doesn't.

OK, you're right... I didn't make my point clear enough.

http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/reuters_molt/1215568085.jpg

Duz your boss look like that?

Yeah... we're all laughin dude.....Good luck gettin a job....

Good luck gettin a job dude.....


Duz your boss look like that?

Did you bother reading anything I wrote?

If so, do you have nothing intelligent to offer, and instead are resorting to such ridiculous, childish responses?
Who is the classy one here?

Military servicemen and red necks were the first people to have tattoos. Red necks gave it the trailer trash image back in the 60s.

Now that red neck is so cool, everyone does it.

Tattoos date back many thousand of years.
The current stigma associated with them is a recent phenomena.

Did you bother reading anything I wrote?

If so, do you have nothing intelligent to offer, and instead are resorting to such ridiculous, childish responses?
Who is the classy one here?

Well what do you think about somebody that does that to their face? I about cracked a rib I laughed so hard.

Tattoos date back many thousand of years.
The current stigma associated with them is a recent phenomena.

ok, so the primitive look doesn't appeal to everyone.

Well what do you think about somebody that does that to their face? I about cracked a rib I laughed so hard.

I can't say what his motivations are, as I have never spoken to him, but my first impression is that he is desperately seeking attention and wants to shock people.
I would not, however, immediately judge him, his strengths, weaknesses, abilities, integrity or anything else.
If I was looking to hire someone, and he was the most qualified person for the job, I got along with him and felt I should trust him, I would hire him.

Oli said:

No I'm a mechanical engineer.

I am too, and I have a professional registration. Tomorrow I'll interview for an R&D position at a technology company. Maybe I should get a tatt for the event, huh? :shrug:

ok, so the primitive look doesn't appeal to everyone.

Who says it should?

I can't say what his motivations are, as I have never spoken to him, but my first impression is that he is desperately seeking attention and wants to shock people.
I would not, however, immediately judge him, his strengths, weaknesses, abilities, integrity or anything else.

You only get once chance to make a first impression. That fact alone says quite a lot for the poor chap.

Who says it should?

Anybody that puts one of those on themselves. It makes a statement. That can't be denied.

One more stereotype coming up:

Oli, there's no use,
Woody probably is a nice dressing, clean cut, sunday church going, white handed christian traditionalist who porbably listens to gospel music.

When I was in my 20s I looked like Jim Morrison of the Doors.

Cutting my hair to get a job wasn't too hard to do.

people are trying to use this as the trashy girl with a tattoo stereotype.
http://www.bentwave.org/blog/artParade/IMG_7168.jpg

yep... she looks dyke, and so do her friends.


http://www.tattoos-by-design.co.uk/Celebrities/images/cruz1.jpg

Pretty girl, but prettier without the tatt on the ankle. Skinny legs too.

You only get once chance to make a first impression. That fact alone says quite a lot for the poor chap.

First impressions based on skewed stereotypes say nothing of the quality of the young man, nor his abilities.
That is why I said I think it is sad that people base their judgements on such.
If someone thinks Italians are all slimy mobsters, should I pretend to not be Italian to appease them and submit to their stereotypes?
Even to get a job?
Not a chance in Hell.
I'd sooner not work for the prejudiced asshole.

The ability to get past such stereotypes and see a person for the quality of human being they are is the definition of class, in my opinion.


Perhaps he doesn't care to work for a comapny that will not hire him for looking the way he does.
Perhaps working for such people is against his value system.
Or do you assume based on the way he looks that he has no value system?
Not everyone wants to work in a buttoned-down office building.
Not everyone defines themselves and self-worth based on how spiffy they must look for work.
I make a good amount of money, yet I know quite a few people with visible tattoos who make much more than I do, and are satisfied with their jobs and lives.
I also know tattooed people who make much less and are satisfied with that.
Should they be ashamed of that, since they do not live up to your own personal ideals?


By the way, you still never responded to my questions and points about people who have tattoos under their shirts.

Anybody that puts one of those on themselves. It makes a statement. That can't be denied.

They don't say it should appeal to everyone.
They don't say it should appeal to ANYONE but themselves.

I am too, and I have a professional registration. Tomorrow I'll interview for an R&D position at a technology company. Maybe I should get a tatt for the event, huh?
Yeah and grow your hair - at the interview for my last job the guy doing interview actually stopped his "corporate image" colleague with the words "This guy must be REALLY good if he can afford to come to an interview looking like that. Good, I don't want another white-shirted tie and suited round peg in a round hole day-to-day drone". I was hired within 5 minutes.

First impressions based on skewed stereotypes say nothing of the quality of the young man, nor his abilities.

He made his decision before I made mine.

That is why I said I think it is sad that people base their judgements on such.

In this fast paced world, sometimes we have to judge quickly in business situations.

If someone thinks Italians are all slimy mobsters, should I pretend to not be Italian to appease them and submit to their stereotypes?

No, but you don't have to wear it on your sleeve either. I'm Scotch-Irish but I don't go to work in a kilt.

Even to get a job?

Especially if you are getting a job. Nobody likes an attitude.

Not a chance in Hell.

That's your decision. If you want to make a statement then go right ahead. Most people just want to get along. We're trying to look for common ground instead of differences. I have a right to be me, but in doing so I make myself vulnerable.


I'd sooner not work for the prejudiced asshole.

He probably feels the same way about you so it's best for everyone. Maybe his grandma was gunned down by the maffia or something.

The ability to get past such stereotypes and see a person for the quality of human being they are is the definition of class, in my opinion.

This is what the dictionary says:

2 a : a group sharing the same economic or social status <the working class> b : social rank; especially : high social rank c : high quality : ELEGANCE <a hotel with class>

I'm sorry, but tattoos don't give one a high social rank.

Perhaps he doesn't care to work for a comapny that will not hire him for looking the way he does.

If he's in a band, he'll make it entertainment. Otherwise forget it Jack. As an actor -- no way.

Perhaps working for such people is against his value system.

I assure you, he won't be the next movie star. You have my most solemn promise.


Or do you assume based on the way he looks that he has no value system?

He didn't value his natural appearance that's for sure. He'll never ever have it again.

Not everyone wants to work in a buttoned-down office building.

Hardly anybody does now days. Just not comfie.

Not everyone defines themselves and self-worth based on how spiffy they must look for work.

Does he shed his skin when he gets off of work?

I make a good amount of money, yet I know quite a few people with visible tattoos who make much more than I do, and are satisfied with their jobs and lives.

Good for them. Hey I wish them the best. If I didn't give a shit I might get a tatto, an ear ring, and a pony tail too. When I retire, I might just be a born again hippie without the drugs and the illicit sex. I might have fun doing it too complete with my guitar. Come over to my place for ice cream and a big guitar jam-a-thon. I'm all about it dude.

Until then it's yucky corporate america for me.


I also know tattooed people who make much less and are satisfied with that.

better get used to it.

Should they be ashamed of that, since they do not live up to your own personal ideals?

Some things are just out of place at the wrong time. I love a good joke -- but not at my dad's funeral. I like spicy food, but not when I have salmonella. It's ok if you wanna crap, but not on the boss's desk.


By the way, you still never responded to my questions and points about people who have tattoos under their shirts.

OK you did have to ask, errr well it depends....

http://www.geekhumor.com/data/512/Tattoo_Willy.jpg

woody what raven is saying is true when you get to the core though. yeah employers will look down on people with visible tatts especialy if they are working with customers and the public,

but thats because people are heavily influenced by what is the current social acceptence, from culture to culture country to country there is differend social norms and levels of tolerance.

in the west having markings on your face is not accepted as respectable. but in alot of places marking on your face are the norm, would you slap a big red dot in the middle of your forehead? no but a bindi is the norm in alot of indian culture, certain buddhists used to tattoo a number of dots on there heads too like a die/dice. it doesent mean the buddhist is a madman does it,


many peaceful african tribes paint and mark the entire body head to toe, you cant tell everybody they are something because they have chose to decorate there own body in a certain way, they might be the complete opposite kind of person to what you judge them to be,


you are the type of person to judge everybody and laugh at them for not dressing like a "regular joe" i see plenty of people with this attitude snickering at people for not wearing the social and fashionable norm to there culture, if somebody chooses to have a radical image that does not harm anybody what is the problem? let people be free and be less prejudice it would make for a better world.


peace.

When you go to rome, dress as the romans do. You'll get along a lot better. :thankyou:

Better to buy someone a drink than piss in it. :cheers:

Like Richard Gere -- whatta dumb ass!

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20070416/2007_04_16t084640_450x358_us_india_gere_aids.jpg

What's he trying to prove over in India? He's just being himself, right? The asshole.

Appearance does count, and if you don't respect culture, it doesn't respect you.

When you go to rome, dress as the romans do. You'll get along a lot better. :thankyou:

Better to buy someone a drink than piss in it. :cheers:

so when you go to london with every race under the sun living together how do you dress?

you dont have to piss in the drink or buy them one, what about not buying them one and not pissing in it? or is neutral not your thing only one extream or the other.


peace.

so when you go to london with every race under the sun living together how do you dress?

peace.


As a Londoner dresses. Of course that would depend on what part of London I was going to. If culture doesn't matter then dress as you like.

you dont have to piss in the drink or buy them one, what about not buying them one and not pissing in it? or is neutral not your thing only one extream or the other.

Come to think of it, you don't have to socialize with them either, especially if they have nothing in common with you.

why should how anybody else dresses effect how you want to dress?

so if you went to golders green NW london you would dress in jewish garments skull cap and all?

if you went to forest gate east london you would dress in muslim or african or rasta atire?

if you went to westminister central west london you would dress in a buisness suite?

if you went to hackney or edmonton you would dress in a hoody top, low baggy jeans with a fitted cap and a gun?


how about wear what you like where you like because you like it not conforming to what is socialy popular like a little sheep clone, i wear anything i feel like wearing, one day i might wear jeans and t shirt, one day might wear hoody jeans and cap, one day might wear just a wife beater and jeans, one day might wear my gong fu uniform, might wear my shaolin uniform, might wear a suite,


it depends what i want to wear, because i can,

peace.

It's a lifestyle choice, you might not agree with it but that doesn't make it wrong. Get over it, if it affects your relationships with those people then thats up to you, to each their own.

Body mods started out as a statement of individuality, and continues as such except they're so common now the majority are no longer individual at all, almost everyone wants one.:shrug:

For the record I despise them, I like a natural look, but a lot of people I know have them and apart from me being thought of as weird it changes nothing in my friendships. Dating someone is another matter, depends how well they can cope with not being found attractive, women get really bugged by that.

"What's he trying to prove over in India? He's just being himself, right? The asshole.

Appearance does count, and if you don't respect culture, it doesn't respect you."


so what happens when cultures mix into 1 society? who should respect who? did the white european americans respect the native americans?

what your saying is basicaly do what the majority around you do?,



and anti-flag, scroll back one page and look at the women in the black n white dress doing a little twirl pose with the ankle tattoo, your saying that without that tattoo she is good looking, but with it she is ugly?

thats just silly, you guys suck.


peace.

why should how anybody else dresses effect how you want to dress?

Ever been to a formal wedding or to any formal occassion? You don't go in blue jeans and a t-shirt, not if you have any class anyway.

so if you went to golders green NW london you would dress in jewish garments skull cap and all?

I would ewar whatever is respectable for a gentile to wear at their social occassion. I don't think they expect me in a skull cap. Most cultures make some allowances.

if you went to forest gate east london you would dress in muslim or african or rasta atire?

If I went there I wouldn't wear an image of mohammed.

if you went to westminister central west london you would dress in a buisness suite?

Probably so, depending on the event. If I was going for a job interview I would certainly dress for it.

if you went to hackney or edmonton you would dress in a hoody top, low baggy jeans with a fitted cap and a gun?

I think they would accept me without a gun. I never said I was trying to be one of them, I said I was trying to respect their culture, which is part of who they are. I'm on their turf, so I show them some respect.

how about wear what you like where you like because you like it not conforming to what is socialy popular like a little sheep clone,

Sure, go ahead and be a square.

i wear anything i feel like wearing, one day i might wear jeans and t shirt, one day might wear hoody jeans and cap, one day might wear just a wife beater and jeans, one day might wear my gong fu uniform, might wear my shaolin uniform, might wear a suite,

ok, if square is you then go for it. But if you dress like a square, don't be surprised if you are treated like a square.

it depends what i want to wear, because i can,

Sure you can be counter culture all the way. Don't expect anybody to respect you though.

Ever been to a formal wedding or to any formal occassion? You don't go in blue jeans and a t-shirt, not if you have any class anyway.



I would ewar whatever is respectable for a gentile to wear at their social occassion. I don't think they expect me in a skull cap. Most cultures make some allowances.



If I went there I wouldn't wear an image of mohammed.



Probably so, depending on the event. If I was going for a job interview I would certainly dress for it.



I think they would accept me without a gun. I never said I was trying to be one of them, I said I was trying to respect their culture, which is part of who they are. I'm on their turf, so I show them some respect.



Sure, go ahead and be a square.



ok, if square is you then go for it. But if you dress like a square, don't be surprised if you are treated like a square.



Sure you can be counter culture all the way. Don't expect anybody to respect you though.


since when is daily life a formal occasion. you said if you went to a certain area you would dress accordingly. so if you went to compton you would represent as a blood or crip?

why are you so hung up about respect from wearing clothes? if somebody down the street doesent like what i am wearing and doesent respect me, why should i care if i dont have his respect?


if your on their turf you will dress like them to show respect? if i go somewhere in public i will dress how i like and other people can suck my balls because im not out to gain respect from random strangers, i have nothing to prove.


yes i will be a "square" and not dress how others think i should, i will dress how i like thanks,


counter culture all the way? so what culture am i from and how should i dress then since you are the authority of style and dress codes?



peace.

"What's he trying to prove over in India? He's just being himself, right? The asshole.

Appearance does count, and if you don't respect culture, it doesn't respect you."


so what happens when cultures mix into 1 society? who should respect who? did the white european americans respect the native americans?

Then the cultures merge into a brand new culture that considers both.


what your saying is basicaly do what the majority around you do?,

If you want any respect, yes. If you don't want respect then don't give any. It's not just the way you dress but the way you conduct yourself as well. In our culture it's rude to belch at the dinner table. In someone else's culture it's rude not to.


and anti-flag, scroll back one page and look at the women in the black n white dress doing a little twirl pose with the ankle tattoo, your saying that without that tattoo she is good looking, but with it she is ugly?

Well what would you think if the black tattoo was just a big black hairy mole? Would that make her prettier.

thats just silly, you guys suck.

We just have different tastes that's all. Tatse changes with age. When you get older you won't like some of the music you like now. Likewise, some of the tattoos will get old.

ps whats wrong with what i said i wear? or is it because i mentioned shaolin gong fu uniform? sorry that training in shaolin gong fu for 18 years hasnt earned me the right to don the garments,


peace,

"we just have different tastes thats all"


yeah you expect others to respect your tastes, but you wont respect mine will you,

peace,

i dont think this debate is going anywhere but around in a circle, so i will agree to disagree with you, we obviously dont see eye to eye and my opinion on this wont change, because i respect what anybody wears aslong as it is not a threat to my life,


you obviously have problems and think others should dress how you tell them they should according to what side of town they are in,


have fun spending your life trying to gaint he respect of everyone i will enjoy my life by doing what i want nd wearing what makes me happy,

peace.

and anti-flag, scroll back one page and look at the women in the black n white dress doing a little twirl pose with the ankle tattoo, your saying that without that tattoo she is good looking, but with it she is ugly?

thats just silly, you guys suck.


peace.

I don't find her attractive anyway but I get the point you're making, and it's a turn off for me, same way a lot of things are for other people, that's me and perhaps you're different, what's your point? Not everyone likes the same things, some people don't find guys with long hair attractive for example, but with short hair they like them, or different hair colours; same principle really and we're all allowed to find people unattractive for whatever reasons we have, or are you going to insist that's a bad thing? Beauty will always be entirely subjective.
I guess you could be objective and score everyone on a percentage, they may have nice features in parts but overall it gets dragged down by things you dont like, its human nature, everytime you see those things you think "eww gross"(or something similar).
FYI - I never said I wouldn't date someone just that I wouldn't find them particularly attractive and with women that often makes things awkward for them as they like being physically desired.:shrug:
I can date people I consider ugly because I won't be shallow about it, but don't expect me to lie to myself, them or anyone else over what I find attractive, if someone's face is all burnt off it's not going to blow you away as far as beauty goes.
Maybe that sucks and maybe it doesn't really matter, but welcome to the real world. Sorry to burst your bubble.

“ Originally Posted by phlogistician
That would be pretentious shit. ”



If you want to introduce people to the verse, buy them a copy.

If you are going to a tattoo, make it original. Design it yourself, don't lift it.


who said i want to introduce people to the verse?i think i would actually be quite embarrassed to explain the tattoo to someone as the reasons that i like that verse so much are deeply personal.
why do i have to design a tattoo myself?

who said i want to introduce people to the verse?i think i would actually be quite embarrassed to explain the tattoo to someone as the reasons that i like that verse so much are deeply personal.

So you'd have it tattoed which way up? So that you could read it, or people looking at you could read it? Why have it potentially on display, if you are not trying to show it to others? Why does it mean more having it on you, than in a book on your shelf?


why do i have to design a tattoo myself?

So the tattoo is 'deeply personal' and not just poetry written by someone else that you happen to think is cool right now.

I think you should examine your motives for getting a tattoo deeply, before getting one, or put some money aside for a laser removal.

I don't find her attractive anyway but I get the point you're making, and it's a turn off for me, same way a lot of things are for other people, that's me and perhaps you're different, what's your point? Not everyone likes the same things, some people don't find guys with long hair attractive for example, but with short hair they like them, or different hair colours; same principle really and we're all allowed to find people unattractive for whatever reasons we have, or are you going to insist that's a bad thing? Beauty will always be entirely subjective.
I guess you could be objective and score everyone on a percentage, they may have nice features in parts but overall it gets dragged down by things you dont like, its human nature, everytime you see those things you think "eww gross"(or something similar).
FYI - I never said I wouldn't date someone just that I wouldn't find them particularly attractive and with women that often makes things awkward for them as they like being physically desired.:shrug:
I can date people I consider ugly because I won't be shallow about it, but don't expect me to lie to myself, them or anyone else over what I find attractive, if someone's face is all burnt off it's not going to blow you away as far as beauty goes.
Maybe that sucks and maybe it doesn't really matter, but welcome to the real world. Sorry to burst your bubble.

yeah i respect that you have different taste and all that, but i think maybe people who have mass amount of tattoosmight more fit the bill for you, but a women with a tiny tattoo the size of a dime i cant see how that affects anything when it comes to attractiveness,


we all have our own preferences though.

peace,

yeah i respect that you have different taste and all that, but i think maybe people who have mass amount of tattoosmight more fit the bill for you, but a women with a tiny tattoo the size of a dime i cant see how that affects anything when it comes to attractiveness,


we all have our own preferences though.

peace,

I agree, as I always say to each their own. :) Although the question could then become how small is acceptable? Personally it's just still a turn off, I'm very blunt about that, I know it's there, I can see it, and I find it cheap and tacky. In a way smaller is worse because it's even more like saying "I want to fit in but I don't want to be obvious about it". I know not everyone fits this but if I know someone does I find it hard to respect someone who lacks their own individuality and conviction to be themselves, it must surely be worse if they don't even have the guts to fit in the way they want!

Nothing of value was ever found in a crowd - Voltaire

So you'd have it tattoed which way up? So that you could read it, or people looking at you could read it? Why have it potentially on display, if you are not trying to show it to others? Why does it mean more having it on you, than in a book on your shelf?


So the tattoo is 'deeply personal' and not just poetry written by someone else that you happen to think is cool right now.

I think you should examine your motives for getting a tattoo deeply, before getting one, or put some money aside for a laser removal.



you are acting like i want to use it as a reference incase i forget the words.

at this time in my life that verse means quite a lot to me,like a little mantra that keeps me sane.i like the idea of having it as a part of me.

have you never found words that have exactly echoed your innermost thoughts better than you ever could?

you are acting like i want to use it as a reference incase i forget the words.

Depends which way up you have it tattoed, and you didn't answer.

If it's for you, it should be tattoed so you can read it. It it's pretentious shite then you'd have it so others can read it.

Answer me this, please.

Depends which way up you have it tattoed, and you didn't answer.

If it's for you, it should be tattoed so you can read it. It it's pretentious shite then you'd have it so others can read it.

Answer me this, please.

i havent decided which way up yet.it wont be in english,so no one will be able to read it.i havent managed to find the verse in sanskrit yet.

since when is daily life a formal occasion. you said if you went to a certain area you would dress accordingly. so if you went to compton you would represent as a blood or crip?

why are you so hung up about respect from wearing clothes? if somebody down the street doesent like what i am wearing and doesent respect me, why should i care if i dont have his respect?


"Daily life isn't a formal occasion" does that mean you must avoid formal occasions in order to "feel ok" about yourself?

So tell me now, would you wear blue jeans and a white t-shirt at a formal wedding ? I've been to a lot of formal weddings, but I've never seen a cloddish fellow in blue jeans and a t-shirt.

quite obviously a wedding is an event,not part of daily life.

quite obviously a wedding is an event,not part of daily life.

quite obviously. Life is an event for some people.

quite obviously. Life is an event for some people.

:rolleyes: ok you win gift shop profundity boy

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Woody,
So, what it really comes down to is...
If you are not a conformist, corporate cog, then you are a loser - nothing else matters.
That's what it sounds to me like you're saying.

Woody,
So, what it really comes down to is...
If you are not a conformist, corporate cog, then you are a loser - nothing else matters.
That's what it sounds to me like you're saying.

I don't feel that way.

I feel like if you want respect you need to give it. That doesn't mean you should be a conformist all the time.

I also feel like the majority of people with mega-tattoos are conforming to a poor public image. Hence they are treated with disrespect.

AS young people, they made a poor choice for themselves that they must live with for a lifetime. The rest is self-explanatory.

PS: I went to job interviews at an R&D lab and I didn't see a single tattoo, no not one. These people were professional. No body piercings either.

If you look like a street urchin, don't be surprised if you are treated the same.

dammit.,done some research and oppenheimer mis-translated the verse.boooooooooooooooo

dammit.,done some research and oppenheimer mis-translated the verse.boooooooooooooooo

Imagine if you found that out AFTER! :D

haha.,yeah.,
but seriously,i thought that verse was one of the most beautiful things i'd ever heard.the actual translation is a lot more....goddy.

"If hundreds of thousands of suns rose up at once into the sky, they might resemble the effulgence of the Supreme Person in that universal form"

nothing about "i am become...."

:bawl:

MANY MANY things are mistranslated.
Why not write your own?
Then you know it is saying exactly what you want it to say and what could be more personal than that?

honestly,i would be very very uncomfortable having a tattoo in english which anyone could read.
especially a tattoo of that nature.
and my sanskrit isnt that great :P

Tatoos giv you the bod you want. No reason to tell people they shudn't get them. Its simple I know but class isn't about your bodyart. Raven man's right on.
Read this

By Christopher Muther The Boston Globe

TUESDAY, MARCH 21, 2006


There was no hesitation when Alex Campbell, a preschool teacher, began the process of filling her lower leg with a bright orange koi swimming in a blue pond of labyrinthine waves. The intricate tattoo is not hidden under schoolmarm tights or practical slacks; instead it has become part of the lesson plan in her class at Corner Co-op Nursery School in Brookline, Massachusetts.

Campbell's students followed the process of their teacher getting a tattoo firsthand - or as close as a 4-year-old can get to firsthand without stepping into a tattoo parlor. They talked about sketching, needles and, most important, not touching Campbell's leg the day after she was tattooed.

Campbell, who seldom wore skirts before getting her calf tattooed, has switched over to a wardrobe that is far more skirt-friendly to display her pricey body art. Her next step is getting a full arm tattoo (called a sleeve by those in the know).

"I asked a few parents about how they'd feel about a teacher with tattoos on her arm, and they were fine with it," the 37-year-old Brookline resident says.

Dr's, lawyers, and in other high profile jobs you have to wear clothes that suit the job so they are mostly covered up anyway, i have 5 tattoos (all of which are my designs) and i work behind a bar and i have to cover mine up, and my piercings i ahve to either take them out of wear plasters over them.

Difference in perception between UK and US. What the UK called a gang was nothing compared to US gangs that actually lived the lifestyle (Sonny Barger et al). UK "gangs" were (and still are), by and large, weekends together on the road to somewhere and week nights in the pub.



not nowdays, there are alot of gangs in london who are big drug dealer, gun dealers etc,


and what about the krays? and people like them in the underworld, there is also alot of mafia activity in london, and triad activity in chinatown. the difference is mafia and triads are alot more low-key, than your average street gang in america.

peace.

"Daily life isn't a formal occasion" does that mean you must avoid formal occasions in order to "feel ok" about yourself?

So tell me now, would you wear blue jeans and a white t-shirt at a formal wedding ? I've been to a lot of formal weddings, but I've never seen a cloddish fellow in blue jeans and a t-shirt.

i have been to a wedding (my own) and others peoples too, and i wear what i am supposed to wear for that occasion, like when i go to the shaolin temple to train, i wear my shaolin uniform. if i worked in an office i would wear a suit, or shirt and tie,


but you said what people should and shouldent wear walking down the street in day-to-day life, you made yourself the authority on fashion and what people should wear in their free time and in public. its up to the individual as to what he/she wears, it doesent make them a loser just because you dont like what they are wearing,


peace.

I have no moral objection to tattoos. But I will go so far as to point out that when you unhook a brassiere and move to place that gentle kiss, a tricolor insect is about the last thing you want to be looking at.

I would look as ridiculous with a tattoo as I would with an earring. Doesn't mean everyone would look so ridiculous, but it's fifteen years later and I still have my devil-horn scar (made with a cigarette lighter while gobbling too much porcine adrenaline) on my left hand; at least the thing isn't black, or that sickly shade of green that some tattoos turn.

i work behind a bar and i have to cover mine up, and my piercings i ahve to either take them out of wear plasters over them.

Thats a shame, what kinda bar is it ? Id think plasters could fall in the drinks or the ice.

when you unhook a brassiere and move to place that gentle kiss, a tricolor insect is about the last thing you want to be looking at.


Maybe but a red rose or poppy tatoo in the right place can be just the perfct thing to kiss, and make sure the gal enjoys you!:shake: