WTC Conspiracy Thread (merged)

Remember there are only three types of explosives known: chemical, mechanical and nuclear... detonators for each are not very large, and in the covert world easily concealed to look like some other benign object.. wristwatch, ballpoint pen, telephone keypad, etc. And again I'd like to caution readers from drawing the conclusion that the TT and WTC7 were "controlled demolitions"... they were "simply" demolitions, no matter which causal theory one subscribes to.

I can think of at least two ways to bring down tall steel buildings remotely without using explosives at all, and which would leave no trace evidence... it's just so much more far-fetched that oscillators or lasers were used that it's not worth seriously raising these as talking points.
 
GeoffP said:
I'll have a look at the links - but I don't know that it takes weeks to set up a demolition. Hell, the right teams can have it ready in a few hours, as far as I know.

Geoff
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Just so you know, the detonators are usually vaporized because they're sitting on top of a bomb. Do you remember anyone ever finding a detonator (and i'm not talking about the remote that the person is holding, but the little electronic device stuck in the bomb) ever in an event in history, after a bomb had gone off? Plus, the government red taped the entire area pretty fucking fast..

Well again, all you have to do is think carefully about it. How long is it going to take you to find all the necessary support beams and then place the bombs there, probably about an entire day at least.. because you have to go to every floor and plant a number of bombs, not to mention get all the blueprints necessary and make sure your engineers don't make any mistakes. And its going to take you another entire day to ensure that there are no mistakes because if there are the building will topple to the side. It takes lots and lots of planning and calculations to make a building fall in on itself, that's why not everyone is a demolition expert.. because you need a good knowledge of what needs to disappear and when in order to prevent the building from (as I said earlier) toppling sideways and splattering all over the neighbourhood.

Not to mention the building was on fire, and Larry Silverstein already confessed to demolishing the building.. is anyone even listening? He told the interviewer they demolished the building.. so why are we even discussing the 'plausibility' of the building being demolished if the owner had already said so?
 
HA, ofcourse detonator pieces can be found. Ramzi Yousef's signature modified Casio watch is just one example. In the case of WTC 7, it's a bit suspicious that none were found in the rubble at all since, by all indications, including those you cite- it is logical that there should've been some...

If for no other reason, that the CIA may have had some in their possession. (i) (ii) (iii)
 
GeoffP said:
Here's a question, too:

If any detonators were found in the WTC rubble, that would have blown the entire thing. To keep a plot like that quiet, you'd have the risk that any of the searchers -...
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Obviously the techonlogy used is new and unknown.

Detonating materials are know to be concrete like also, but I am not an expert.
 
Hurricane Angel said:
..... so why are we even discussing the 'plausibility' of the building being demolished if the owner had already said so?
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Actually american people are good, the third plane supposed to be smashed in WTC 7 was over powered by American people. Ever heard anything like that before ?

But americans are slaves of politicians and they cant do anything about it, I mean they dont know how to. Like slaves they pay taxes that can be used to kill them, so no one can question such powerful demons. Over that as a american if U admit these facts then U think thats gona damage their business world wide.

But fact is that only american public denies WTC demolision, due to the strict media controll over there. Ask anyone out of USA, the damage is already done. Denial just propagates it.
 
Ramzi Yousef was the chief WTC '93 bomber, and architect of the 9/11 planes mission.

He had a trademark time-delay detonator for his airplane bombs which was going to be used in the "Bojinka" conspiracy (for which he was convicted in '99, iirc) and which was quite possibly used on TWA 800 also.

A brief intro from wiki-

The Manila-based terrorist plot known as Project Bojinka called for the bombing of 11 airliners over the Pacific Ocean on January 21 and 22, 1995. Al Qaida agents were planned to plant liquid bombs, called "Mark II" "microbombs" on the aircraft. The device was inside Casio digital watches that contain nitroglycerin for the explosive and stabilizing that looked like cotton balls. Two 9 Volt batteries taken from children's toys were used to power light bulb filaments and to detonate the nitroglycerin. Trace amounts of sulphuric acid, nitrobenzene, silver azide, liquid acetone, and nitrate were present. The wiring was attached to the arm of the watch using a tiny space below the calculator. The alteration was so small that one could still wear the bomb as a watch.

This bomb was tested several times, first by al-Qaida member Ramzi Yousef inside of a mall in Cebu City, then by cohort Wali Khan Amin Shah inside the Greenbelt Theatre in Manila on December 1, 1994.

The bomb also was tested on Philippine Airlines Flight 434 on December 11, 1994. He boarded the plane under an assumed name while hiding the batteries in the soles of his shoes. He assembled the bomb in the lavatory on the flight's Ninoy Aquino International Airport to Cebu leg. He stuck it under his seat and left the plane in Mactan-Cebu International Airport. The bomb exploded on the Cebu to New Tokyo International Airport (Now Narita International Airport) (Narita, Japan), leg, killing a Japanese businessman and injuring 10 others. The plane made an emergency landing at Naha, Okinawa.

Project Bojinka was foiled on the night of January 6 and the morning of January 7, 1995, when Manila police found the plans and the bomb factory in Yousef's Manila apartment after a chemical fire occurred there.
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More info about Ramzi Yousef available at author Peter Lance's site.
 
qwerty mob said:
HA, ofcourse detonator pieces can be found. ...
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Nope, they can be found only if searched for, on 9/11 people were in such a huge shock that it never crossed theirs mind that this could be a conspiracy.

I myself can never accept that own people can be killed in this way, but the truth is that soldiers are killed everyday, this is a everyday practise of politicians.
 
qwerty mob said:
Ramzi Yousef was the chief WTC '93 bomber, and architect of the 9/11 planes mission.

He had a trademark time-delay detonator for his airplane bombs which was going to be used in the "Bojinka" conspiracy (for which he was convicted in '99, iirc) and which was quite possibly used on TWA 800 also.....
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So who was incharge of the airport luggage to allow such material to be placed in the cargo area of the planes ? These could be placed days before too.
 
Wait is this kind of like that hijacker's passport, which was found on the streets of Manhattan in good condition? You know... how it magically flew out of an exploding plane, burning building and was later 'recovered'.

Don't get off topic, this is related to WTC 7. Everyone has been to my link where Larry Silverstein admits it, yes? Is there any more confuzzlement as to why (physically) it fell/collapsed? No more questions about why (government reasons) it fell because really those are unanswerable..

My personal guess is that it had something to do with the 25th floor, owned by Mayor Guilianni and the CIA.
 
Lots of stuff can come flying off burning planes - kids' toys (which, as you know are highly flammable ;) ), shoes, clothes, all kinds of stuff. Why should it be such a shock? The plane hit and scattered shit all over the place. It's happened in other crashes; why can't it happen here?

I should also mention that you can indeed find bits of detonators after an explosion - I'm 100% positive this is true. I mean, the stuff doesn't get atomized.

Geoff
 
Actually with almost every type of explosive you can find a detonator and most times even the whole device. The one exception liquid nitro used in a simple impact bomb. Given what happened there would have been hundred of detonators found and even some devices you could reconstruct. None were found. One conspiracy theory down the drain.
 
The building were strong very very strong. They could catch thoes huge planes at full throttel like a mosqutoe.


Impact detonators, do they exist ?
 
It's happened in other crashes; why can't it happen here?
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Wait what happened in other crashes? A building falling down? I don't think that happened before..

Actually with almost every type of explosive you can find a detonator and most times even the whole device. The one exception liquid nitro used in a simple impact bomb. Given what happened there would have been hundred of detonators found and even some devices you could reconstruct. None were found. One conspiracy theory down the drain.
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So.. you're saying the owner of the building lied about demolishing it for shits and giggles?

God is everyone here retarded? This is the third time I'm saying this; the owner of WTC 7 claimed they had demolished the building.. TW Scott I don't know who you are, but you are quite possibly quite terrible at reading what others have said, quite.
 
Hurricane Angel said:
....the owner of WTC 7 claimed they had demolished the building.. TW Scott I don't know who you are, but you are quite possibly quite terrible at reading what others have said, quite.
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The owner need not say it, We have eyes and common sense.

Even controlled demolishions dont collapse with such a perfect tune.
 
Singularity said:
So who was incharge of the airport luggage to allow such material to be placed in the cargo area of the planes ? These could be placed days before too.
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In this case, the bombs were chemical explosives (see wiki quote above) mixed and carried in Contact Lens Saline Solution bottles, to be placed under passenger seats near the center wing fuel tanks. Ramzi Yousef's bombs had nothing to do with baggage handlers or cargo holds, and neither did the 9/11 "planes project" which was discovered by Manila police on Yousef's personal laptop PC in 1996, in the Philippines.
 
spuriousmonkey said:
It's quite interesting an phenomenon though. The conspiracy theory starts small. The internet gets infested. People hear about it. They do a google. They can only find sites that claim 9/11 was a conspiracy. The thing takes off into deep space.
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" ...Claim was a conspiracy"? No crash debris consistent with a Boeing 757 American Airliner, no 8000 gallon jet fuel fire; no airplane crash debris nor fire at Shanksville and you characterize this a a mere "claim" there was a conspiracy?

How about in criminal laws terms: there was probable cause to believe that other than Islamic Fundamentalist Terrorists committed the attack on the Pentagon and were on board an aircraft plummeting to the ground at Shanksville, there being no evidence other than "claims" by some government employees that such Islamics were invovlved in the 9/11/2001 attacks; add to this the complete lack of crash debris, and absence of fires consistent with large aircraft being involved in both events?

Better?

Geistkiesel​
 
Singularity said:
Actually american people are good, the third plane supposed to be smashed in WTC 7 was over powered by American people. Ever heard anything like that before ?

But americans are slaves of politicians and they cant do anything about it, I mean they dont know how to. Like slaves they pay taxes that can be used to kill them, so no one can question such powerful demons. Over that as a american if U admit these facts then U think thats gona damage their business world wide.

But fact is that only american public denies WTC demolision, due to the strict media controll over there. Ask anyone out of USA, the damage is already done. Denial just propagates it.
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Singularity,

Well said. Put mt name on your petition on this one. So far, I see no disagreement on any of our mutual "opinions".

Geistkiesel​
 
Singularity said:
The building were strong very very strong. They could catch thoes huge planes at full throttel like a mosqutoe.
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except that they didn't.
the collapse of wtc 1 and 2 can be explained

what is more of a problem is wtc 7
and to a lesser extent the pentagon
 
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