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Are you telling me that a quantum has no value?
Are you telling me that heat is not a measurable quantity in any form? A wave frequency is not the very definition of a measurable value?
You are using mathematical terms to explain that there no measurable values?

Obviously not. :rolleyes: This was 18 months ago, by the way.

You are mad.
 
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Obviously not. :rolleyes:

You are mad.
Give me an example of something that has no value of any kind! It does not exist! Please, I am asking.
Quantum is a mathematical expression.! Can you do smaller? Planck scale is a mathematical expression! Astatine is the shortest lived atom, but it has a radioactive value as long as it exist physically. When it decays it no longer exists and has no intrinsic value of any kind.

I have been thinking about this expression that a "map is not the terrain". Well duhhh.
A map is a piece of paper with mathematical directions to the mathematical coordinates where an object, mountain, lake, gold mine may be found. A map is a mathematical instrument that can guide you to an existing physical object . It never claims to be anything else!

The entire expression is a false (cheap) equivalence if the example is used as a geological instead of a geometrical instrument. There may be a side note with a measurement or some information of what may be found at specific global coordinates, but a map is never the terrain, that fact is obvious . (warning, rattle snake country)
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Quantum is a mathematical expression
No it isn't. You are not even using the term correctly.
"Quantum" when paired with "Physics" is talking about the the approach to understanding the universe on the atomic scale which is different to classical physics which came before it.
 
map is a piece of paper with mathematical directions to the mathematical coordinates
Or not. A map tells you where something is in relation to something else, it is useful but you can use a map without any numbers on.
Lakes, rivers, town boundaries, contour lines, motorways and where land meets the sea do not have to have numbers.
These things can all have names, in English.
 
Give me an example of something that has no value of any kind! It does not exist! Please, I am asking.
Quantum is a mathematical expression.! Can you do smaller? Planck scale is a mathematical expression! Astatine is the shortest lived atom, but it has a radioactive value as long as it exist physically. When it decays it no longer exists and has no intrinsic value of any kind.

I have been thinking about this expression that a "map is not the terrain". Well duhhh.
A map is a piece of paper with mathematical directions to the mathematical coordinates where an object, mountain, lake, gold mine may be found. A map is a mathematical instrument that can guide you to an existing physical object . It never claims to be anything else!

The entire expression is a false (cheap) equivalence if the example is used as a geological instead of a geometrical instrument. There may be a side note with a measurement or some information of what may be found at specific global coordinates, but a map is never the terrain, that fact is obvious . (warning, rattle snake country)
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None of this makes any sense. ("Quantum is a mathematical expression" is a particularly silly statement.)

You are mad.
 
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No, since the sentence does not make sense.
Not only that but it bears no relation whatsoever to what you were pointing out at the time (18 months ago! ), which was that heat is an emergent property of atoms and molecules collectively and thus is nothing to do with the wave functions of QM. There was no mention by you or me at that time of "measurements" or "values", so obviously neither you nor I was "telling" him anything about those.

Why does he seize, now, on an 18month old post of yours to raise this total non sequitur about measurement and values? It can only be because something has gone FUNGG!! in his mind and triggered another reflex to start turding on, yet again, about his mathematical universe religion.

I see by the way that quorum sensing has also made another appearance:-


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He is forbidden from mentioning microtubules (thank God), so what next, I wonder.
 
A map is a piece of paper with mathematical directions to the mathematical coordinates

Just illustrate my point. Below is a map of Manchester, you will see no numbers except for the road numbers. Are they important? No because no one actually knows the road numbers as they do not refer to any feature of that road.
The M60 for instance is a Motorway but it is also called "The ring road" as it goes all the way round the city.
The M25 is called the London Orbital, it is also called “the road to hell” because that is what it feels like when you are on it.
The A662 is called Ashton New road, you can deduce that there must be an “old road” and there is.

So, besides the roads you have areas, the city, parks, cloughs, places of interest like museums, lakes, green areas and built up depending on the colour.

No maths, in fact I could draw a map and would not be to scale, it does not need to be, anyone ever given you a hand drawn may to get to somewhere?
Was it to scale? In proportion? Did it need to be?

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Write4U said:
Are you telling me that a quantum has no value?
No, since the sentence does not make sense.
Are you telling me that This is a false statement?
This is not a mathematical statement? Is Wiki factually wrong in describing this definition?
No it isn't. You are not even using the term correctly.
"Quantum" when paired with "Physics" is talking about the the approach to understanding the universe on the atomic scale which is different to classical physics which came before it.
But I am not pairing quantum with physics. I am pairing quantum with mathematics.
Or not. A map tells you where something is in relation to something else, it is useful but you can use a map without any numbers on.
No you can't. Without a mathematical scale (legend) a map becomes useless (is an inch a mile, 10 miles, 100 miles?)
Lakes, rivers, town boundaries, contour lines, motorways and where land meets the sea do not have to have numbers.
These things can all have names, in English.
Yes they do. Coordinates are described with numbers. Without numbers GPS is useless. It is the coordinate numbers that allows us to drop a bomb precisely on a target, not a crook in the road.

map is never the terrain, that fact is obvious .
Pinball 1971:
You certainly have not been posting like you accept that statement.
For instance Tegmark thinks the map IS the territory, are you now saying his thesis is bullshit?
No , I have not. Where have I said that placing your fingers on the map you can scrape enough mud to build a home? That would be the terrain, the geology, not the geography. A map is a piece of paper that indicates geometrical coordinates. It is a mathematical instrument.

I think you are mis-interpreting MUH. As I understand Tegmark, he simply breaks down the relational values and forces that are causal to universal dynamics. That is why human symbolic mathematics are so "reasonably" effective. The numbers work, even when codified for human use.
Pinball1970:
Just illustrate my point. Below is a map of Manchester, you will see no numbers except for the road numbers. Are they important? No because no one actually knows the road numbers as they do not refer to any feature of that road.

I agree! They don't refer to the terrain! They refer to geometrical coordinates relative to each other. It's the maths, not the consistency of the terrain or the rocks in the road.
The A662 is called Ashton New road, you can deduce that there must be an “old road” and there is.

So, besides the roads you have areas, the city, parks, cloughs, places of interest like museums, lakes, green areas and built up depending on the colour.
But you are not describing the terrain. You are describing "locations". Locations are geometrical coordinates.
Pinball 1970:
No maths, in fact I could draw a map and would not be to scale, it does not need to be, anyone ever given you a hand drawn may to get to somewhere?
Was it to scale? In proportion? Did it need to be? Yes.

Pinball1970:
No, nor have you without reference points of a descriptive feature of the terrain (or a GPS coordinate).

Really?
"You go west (pointing) 4 blocks, turn right (north), go another 10 blocks until you come a bakery. I the back there is a warehouse filled with flour, and that where you wil find the guy who makes the best doughnuts in the world. If you see a great Oak tree, you have gone too far past your (coordinate) "destination" and need to turn back.

If it has rained and the road (the terrain) gets really muddy, you might get stuck for a week. Make sure you ask the locals what the conditions of the terrain are before you venture out into the wilderness and into the bog (the terrain).
 
What happens if AI proves that the mystical is real?
That would be the ultimate word salad woo-woo.
 
But I am not pairing quantum with physics. I am pairing quantum with mathematics.
Well that's wrong too. We have quantum physics, we have quantum chemistry, more recently we have quantum biology, we do not have quantum mathematics.
 
Yes they do. Coordinates are described with numbers. Without numbers GPS is useless. It is the coordinate numbers that allows us to drop a bomb precisely on a target, not a crook in the road.
So all the maps they used before, satellites, GPS and accurate distance and proportions did not work?
No one on the planet using maps had a clue where anything was?
 
Ben Arthur?
Is a metaphysical apparition? He has no measurable physical properties? Ahhhh, he is a fictional character. So are pink unicorns.
The life and works of Charles Dickens?
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A rabbit and mustard stew?
Never seen this before. Can you "describe" the location where this specific terrain is observable and the soil testable for physical minerals?

Geometrical coordinates would get me there in a jiffy. Kinda in straight lines as the crow would fly.
Is the shortest distance between 2 point a physical value measurement or a mathematical value measurement?

Question: Are natural calculations (causalities) possible without the presence of environmental values? That "measurable value" what came was deterministic of that what was to follow. A physical interaction of "indetermined values"? Randomness, every deterministic action?

Science is pure guess-work? A cosmic bumper car circuit? Oops , forgot. A circuit is a mathematical object with an infinite ratio, not MASS!
 
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