Iran has attacked several US and Israeli embassies in the past and also encourages combatants under its command to blend in with the civilian population, so I guess that answers your question.
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Iran has attacked several US and Israeli embassies in the past and also encourages combatants under its command to blend in with the civilian population, so I guess that answers your question.
Gregg Carlstrom: "Very encouraging, in terms of possible further escalation, that the IRGC's first reaction to what appears to be an overnight Israeli attack is to get someone in their media department searching 'stock photos of cute baby drones'."
Hossein Dalirian: "It seems the American media have dreamed that Israel attacked Iran. Otherwise, a failed attack with a few quadcopters, which ended up shooting down a few small birds, is not considered an attack anywhere in the world."
WRAL NEWS: "Hossein Dalirian, a spokesman for Iran's civilian space program, said on the X social media platform that several small 'quadcopter' drones had been shot down. It wasn't immediately clear where that happened or if it was part of the ongoing incident in Iran."
TASNIM NEWS AGENCY (state run in Iran): "So far, there are no reports of an attack from abroad. Some knowledgeable sources told Tasnim that, contrary to rumors and claims of the Israeli media, until this moment there are no reports of an attack from abroad on Isfahan or any other part of the country."
Almog Boker: "Based on the reports from Iran and the US, this is a limited and targeted attack on the Hastam Shikari air force base near Isahfan, a base that took part in the attack against Israel last week. Official Israel does not comment."
Alex Marquardt: "A US official confirms to me that Israel has carried out a strike against Iran. Both the official and another senior US official say Israel indicated they would not attack nuclear targets. US didn't 'green-light' this attack, the 2nd official told me."
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Hossein Dalirian: "It seems the American media have dreamed that Israel attacked Iran. Otherwise, a failed attack with a few quadcopters, which ended up shooting down a few small birds, is not considered an attack anywhere in the world."
WRAL NEWS: "Hossein Dalirian, a spokesman for Iran's civilian space program, said on the X social media platform that several small 'quadcopter' drones had been shot down. It wasn't immediately clear where that happened or if it was part of the ongoing incident in Iran."
TASNIM NEWS AGENCY (state run in Iran): "So far, there are no reports of an attack from abroad. Some knowledgeable sources told Tasnim that, contrary to rumors and claims of the Israeli media, until this moment there are no reports of an attack from abroad on Isfahan or any other part of the country."
Almog Boker: "Based on the reports from Iran and the US, this is a limited and targeted attack on the Hastam Shikari air force base near Isahfan, a base that took part in the attack against Israel last week. Official Israel does not comment."
Alex Marquardt: "A US official confirms to me that Israel has carried out a strike against Iran. Both the official and another senior US official say Israel indicated they would not attack nuclear targets. US didn't 'green-light' this attack, the 2nd official told me."
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UPDATE: Israeli Missile Attack ? Details remain largely unknown.
Seems as though the Sons of David have done... ...something, sports fans.
Details remain scant regarding the reported riposte by Team SoD. The supposed target - the Iranian city of Isfahan is both "home to Iran's fleet of American-made F-14 Tomcat fighter jets", and "several sites associated with Iran's alleged nuclear program". Thus far, the Persian Empire denies damage to either.
Precisely what has transpired remains to be seen...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-iran-missile-strikes/
Seems as though the Sons of David have done... ...something, sports fans.
Details remain scant regarding the reported riposte by Team SoD. The supposed target - the Iranian city of Isfahan is both "home to Iran's fleet of American-made F-14 Tomcat fighter jets", and "several sites associated with Iran's alleged nuclear program". Thus far, the Persian Empire denies damage to either.
Precisely what has transpired remains to be seen...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-iran-missile-strikes/
Looks like we may be headed into the final inning of this matchup, sports fans !
Brushing aside a surprise last minute grasp at a cease-fire deal by Hamas, brusquely ordering the civilian populace to evacuate what many see as their last refuge in Gaza, Team SoD has begun bombing, bombardment and ground operations in and around what they view as the only remaining Hamas stronghold in the Gaza Strip. Civilian casualties have already been reported, but Team SoD shows no signs of letting up as they bulldoze their way to what they evidently perceive as total victory.
Negotiations on a cease-fire deal reportedly continue amid the carnage and chaos.
Will they yield a result ? The world wonders !
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/08/middleeast/rafah-israel-idf-ground-operation-intl-latam/index.html
Brushing aside a surprise last minute grasp at a cease-fire deal by Hamas, brusquely ordering the civilian populace to evacuate what many see as their last refuge in Gaza, Team SoD has begun bombing, bombardment and ground operations in and around what they view as the only remaining Hamas stronghold in the Gaza Strip. Civilian casualties have already been reported, but Team SoD shows no signs of letting up as they bulldoze their way to what they evidently perceive as total victory.
Negotiations on a cease-fire deal reportedly continue amid the carnage and chaos.
Will they yield a result ? The world wonders !
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/08/middleeast/rafah-israel-idf-ground-operation-intl-latam/index.html
Pinball1970
Valued Senior Member
Not in the best taste mate.
People are starving to death with little to medical care.
Women and children.
I'm quite aware that the situation is the epitome of a living nightmare.
Seems like the world forgot it's the Israelis they're dealing with. I'd like to think a cease-fire would lessen the humanitarian crisis by some degree it seems almost ludicrous to mention considering the horrid reality of it by allowing for a freer flow of aid - but then what ? Israel apparently maintains that they intend to eradicate Hamas regardless of any cease fire agreement. Presumably that means the carnage cranks up again at some point.
Agreed that all hostages should be released, but don't expect Hamas to do so so long as they believe they can use them as bargaining chips & somehow end up with a degree of combat effectiveness left when this is all over.
If Hamas was serious about caring about the Palestinian people in Gaza, surely the first thing to do would be to free the remaining Israeli hostages. It is delusional for anybody in Hamas to expect that the hostages can be used as a valuable bargaining chip to end the war. As far as I am aware, nobody in the Israeli government has said anything to the effect of "free the hostages and we'll stop bombing and shooting the place up". I'm sure that Hamas's negotiators have already tried playing that bargaining chip. Freeing the hostages isn't Israel's end game in this conflict.
The stated aim of irradicating Hamas is one that Israel's leaders must know is untenable. As long as Iran exists, Hamas will exist. In all likelihood, anybody who is important in Hamas left Gaza long ago, but they'll come back if Gaza is not occupied and controlled by Israel (and even then, they will do their best to continue the terrorism).
Unfortunately, the innocent people of Gaza are caught between two opponents who are each bent on the destruction of the other and who each have little regard for "collateral damage".
The stated aim of irradicating Hamas is one that Israel's leaders must know is untenable. As long as Iran exists, Hamas will exist. In all likelihood, anybody who is important in Hamas left Gaza long ago, but they'll come back if Gaza is not occupied and controlled by Israel (and even then, they will do their best to continue the terrorism).
Unfortunately, the innocent people of Gaza are caught between two opponents who are each bent on the destruction of the other and who each have little regard for "collateral damage".
LaurieAG
Registered Senior Member
The IDF will obstruct humanitarian aid as much as they can get away with as long as Hamas holds the kidnap victims as hostages. Eradicating Hamas is not possible; you cannot kill an idea that has some basis in fact. The fact is the IDF has treated the people of Gaza very badly.
I think the goal of Hamas is to create as many Palestinian casualties as possible so they can portray themselves as the real victims in this war, and thereby gain more power/international support.
In the long view, there is no option but eradicating Hamas -- or futilely trying to -- while the window is still feasible. That was made clear toward the end of October, last year:
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...ihilated/0000018b-8b9d-db7e-af9b-ebdfbee90000
A senior Hamas official said in an interview aired last week that the October 7 attack against Israel were just the beginning, vowing to launch "a second, a third, a fourth" attack until the country is "annihilated."
Ghazi Hamad – whose comments were transcribed by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI), a Washington-based think tank – added in the LBC interview that "Israel has no place on our land. We must remove the country because it constitutes a security, military and political catastrophe."
A senior Hamas official said in an interview aired last week that the October 7 attack against Israel were just the beginning, vowing to launch "a second, a third, a fourth" attack until the country is "annihilated."
Ghazi Hamad – whose comments were transcribed by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI), a Washington-based think tank – added in the LBC interview that "Israel has no place on our land. We must remove the country because it constitutes a security, military and political catastrophe."
But even after this is over, if there is no international coalition that volunteers to govern the Strip, then another "freedom fighter" group will simply assert its authority there amidst the power vacuum of ruins and rubble.
Although there is a lot of huffing and puffing about Israel maintaining a security presence after withdrawal, it has had no desire to occupy and directly manage the Strip since its disengagement in 2005.
However, Israel returning to its past policy of negotiating peace deals with and offering bribes to the proxy rulers would obviously be insane, too, since again -- the latter would just be another temporarily pacified terrorist organization that will eventually go postal.
If a pact of other countries doesn't intervene and run slash police the Strip, then Israel really has no choice but to do what it abhors -- permanently occupy the area, and intermittently have its unwelcome forces and administrating officials shot at and blown-up. ... Lingchi: "Death by a thousand (minor) cuts."
Another possibility is that the Strip is so thoroughly messed-up that the Palestinian population has to be displaced to neighboring countries. Something which Egypt and the rest have refused to accept over the years for two good reasons. Accordingly, they will insist vehemently that the land can still retain its habitability for Palestinians.
"... former Israeli officials have related intentions of carving out a heavily fortified 'buffer zone' in northern Gaza to protect Israel from any future attacks..."
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LaurieAG
Registered Senior Member
I think trying to embroil the religious Jews into this 'eradication' process through conscription is fraught with danger for Netanyahu and his right wing cohorts.
The religious ones know that Yahweh effectively 'destroyed' Baal by forcing the Israelites to wander in the desert for 40 years (after the ethnic cleansing of Canaan), so that those with the blood of the innocents on their hands should die before the Israelites entered the promised land. In Jeremiah 7:31 Yahweh flatly declares that child sacrifice is a thing that "I did not command, nor did it arise in my mind" and Jeremiah 19:5 further identifies the 'baal' (Hebrew for lord) as one of the gods to which children were sacrificed.
Just because Hamas put the children of Palestine on the altar of Baal, doesn't mean Israel has no choice but to partake in the obscene ritual of a false god, and cut the throats of over 10,000 innocents to ensure victory. Enough is enough!
That food and aid are being choked off is one general concern that's surely reliable in the rumour mill, even if some of the specifics might not be. Over six million refugees were allowed to flee Ukraine, but Gazans are stuck.
Mounds of feces are building up in the streets of Rafah, which draws flies and disease. The question still arises of whether the Strip would be legitimately habitable again even with reconstruction efforts. But Palestinians have no where else to go.
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https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-801082
Israel secretly asked Palestinian Authority to run Rafah crossing undercover. Four officials from the PA, Israel and the United States told Axios that Israel made the request as Egypt threatened to disallow the transport of aid unless Israel withdrew from Rafah.
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The Rafah crossing into Egypt has been closed since Israeli troops seized it a week ago. Fighting in Rafah city has made it impossible for aid groups to access the nearby Kerem Shalom crossing with Israel, though Israel says it is allowing supply trucks to enter from its side.
[...] Aid workers struggled Monday to distribute dwindling food and other supplies to hundreds of thousands of Palestinians displaced by what Israel says is a limited military operation in Rafah, as the two main crossings near the southern Gaza city remained closed.
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Egypt [...] has kept the border firmly closed except to let a few thousand foreigners, dual nationals and a handful of others leave Gaza. Egypt and other Arabs strongly oppose any attempt to push Palestinians over the border.
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When events have finally settled, could the Palestinian Authority somehow return to managing Gaza, after all these years since Hamas ousted it? The last time I read anything floating the possibility was back in February.
Like their Israeli equivalents, very few administrators from the West Bank would want to relocate to the dangers and devastation of the Strip. And it's absurd that Israel would accept any surviving Hamas-affiliated civil servants to fill in the slots still left vacant by such a reluctant Palestinian government extending itself from the West Bank.
The option of Gazans being allowed to migrate to the West Bank itself is even more remote than Egypt lowering its barriers for them. Since unlike the latter, Israel would not tolerate the former, and it's suggested that the Palestinian Authority (like Egypt) would dread the prospect of elements of Gazan extremism entering and settling into its domain.
The Israelis may be determined to establish a depopulated buffer zone that thereby squeezes Gazans into even less territory, as a kind of alternative to having to govern the Strip themselves (i.e., let it be lawless). Placing additional pressure on Egypt to accept the suffering Palestinians as refugees -- which just isn't going to happen.
It's up to the international community to rebuild that shrinking landscape, and set up something to fill the post-Hamas power vacuum. The last part of which it is almost as if not more averse to getting involved in than the local players.
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Like their Israeli equivalents, very few administrators from the West Bank would want to relocate to the dangers and devastation of the Strip. And it's absurd that Israel would accept any surviving Hamas-affiliated civil servants to fill in the slots still left vacant by such a reluctant Palestinian government extending itself from the West Bank.
The option of Gazans being allowed to migrate to the West Bank itself is even more remote than Egypt lowering its barriers for them. Since unlike the latter, Israel would not tolerate the former, and it's suggested that the Palestinian Authority (like Egypt) would dread the prospect of elements of Gazan extremism entering and settling into its domain.
The Israelis may be determined to establish a depopulated buffer zone that thereby squeezes Gazans into even less territory, as a kind of alternative to having to govern the Strip themselves (i.e., let it be lawless). Placing additional pressure on Egypt to accept the suffering Palestinians as refugees -- which just isn't going to happen.
It's up to the international community to rebuild that shrinking landscape, and set up something to fill the post-Hamas power vacuum. The last part of which it is almost as if not more averse to getting involved in than the local players.
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