It would give them the chance to start over and craft a plan that the American people could actually get behind.
Nein, Nein, Nein, Nein, Nein, Nein!
No democrats at all!
It would give them the chance to start over and craft a plan that the American people could actually get behind.
Depressing, would be my take. Talk about a broken system - -madanth said:Amazing how 40 Republicans with no leadership positions can completely dominate the process.
Please tell me that was a letter to the editor.madanth said:From the Boston Herald:
You may be a Scott Brown voter if:
Nope, it was an article by Howie CarrPlease tell me that was a letter to the editor.
My take on the media in all this is pretty cynical and critical, but that product of talk radio neural misfiring ranks below what I would expect from a newspaper editor.
not really the dems are spinelessAmazing how 40 Republicans with no leadership positions can completely dominate the process.
Ironically, Mr Brown winning the election and killing this crap plan might well be the best thing that could happen to the Dems. It would give them the chance to start over and craft a plan that the American people could actually get behind.
The poll you linked to showed that such a policy might have the support of the majority of country (the Devil would be in the details), unlike the present load of crap they're attempting to ram down our throats.like medicare for all?
The details aren't hard. everyone gets covored by medicareThe poll you linked to showed that such a policy might have the support of the majority of country (the Devil would be in the details),
unlike the present load of crap they're attempting to ram down our throats.
OK, but how will you pay for it? Will the premium charged reflect the actual cost of insurance? The premium senior citizens pay for medicare doesn't even come close. Will it be mandatory, or can you choose private insurance instead? Will it operate exactly like medicare? Will we still have medicare advantage programs? How much will this add to the national debt? Will it kick in immediately, or not until the 2014 like the current bill?The details aren't hard. everyone gets covored by medicare
I don't see handouts to insurance companies as a right wing issue, but as an example of typical politics. I sure as hell don't support hand outs to any industry.one of the many reason I hate the right wing. Most of what I see as bad init was done to try and get the republicans and right wings dems on board with hand outs to the insurance companies. but yes the current bill is bad.
premiemums and taxesOK, but how will you pay for it?
to the extent they remain affordable yes.Will the premium charged reflect the actual cost of insurance?
Not sure but probably modled after the swiss or taiwanese systems.Will it be mandatory, or can you choose private insurance instead?
Will it operate exactly like medicare?hopefully not. that program is terrible in my mind. designed solely to put more money in the insurance companies hands.Will we still have medicare advantage programs?very little to none depending on how its done.How much will this add to the national debt?dunno but i prefer slow and successful to fast and crashing and burningWill it kick in immediately, or not until the 2014 like the current bill?
that wou7ld be the way to do it.I'd favor a more incremental approach, perhaps letting people buy into Medicare at a younger age so long as the premiums cover the cost. Perhaps the age could be dropped over time.for the insurance companies but for us i doubt it.Also, allow insurance to be purchased across state lines. That wouldn't cost anything and would certainly lower costs.
the sad part is the bill is still better than the satus quoBut just about anything would be better than the bill before congress now.
the two different sides give handouts to different industries insurance companies tend to gain more under the right than left but as always they own people on both sides.I don't see handouts to insurance companies as a right wing issue, but as an example of typical politics.I sure as hell don't support hand outs to any industry.
no voter does but they still happen
So not an editor anyway.madanth said:Nope, it was an article by Howie Carr
Who appears to be a regular columnist.
Same way you pay for Medicare now. The most expensive demographic segment - by far - is already enrolled, so the increase in necessary revenue should be fairly small.madanth said:The details aren't hard. everyone gets covored by medicare
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OK, but how will you pay for it?
Nope, it was an article by Howie Carr![]()
Who appears to be a regular columnist.
There's also something of a scandal brewing about one of Coakley's aids shoving a newsman to the ground.
Massachusetts is the bluest of blue states, and Democrat Martha Coakley was considered a shoe in to replace the late Edward Kennedy in the Senate. But this race has heated up and the Republican candidate Scott Brown is campaigning as the man who can single handedly stop Obama care. To quote Mr. Brown:
"As the 41st senator, I can stop it," Brown said last week during a debate, highlighting his potential to be the breakthrough Senate vote that upholds a GOP filibusterMr Brown is still a long shot. The state has a Democratic governor, Senate, House, and every constitutional office is held by a Democrat. So if Mr Brown even comes close, it will be seen as a major blow to the Democratic party.
"If it's a close race, or the near unimaginable happens — she loses — then make no mistake about it, this becomes the holy grail for the Republicans to flog the Democrats about the 2010 election," Massachusetts Democratic political consultant Mary Ann Marsh said. "Most people from around the country would say, 'Oh, my God, Ted Kennedy's seat, the bluest state in the country, a Democrat barely won.' And that would become a vehicle to raise money and beat up on Democratic members of Congress and the White House." This being a midterm election, turnout could be a major factor. So while the Democrat Coakley is still ahead in the polls, a major turnout by conservatives could yield an upset here. And don't think that talkshow hosts and Republican operatives around the country don't know this. Expect tea party members, birthers, and Republicans in general to turn out heavily. Of course, Democrats have a plan for that:
The stakes are so high Democrats won't rule out taking as long as a month to certify the election results — should Brown win — to prevent a Republican from assuming the seat until the Senate completes its work on Kennedy's hallmark legislation.
AP
Here's a video of Mr. Brown at the debate giving a very good answer to the question of whether he would be willing to be the one to block this healthcare reform package considering that he would be filling Ted Kennedy's seat:
video
I didn't see any shoving. The dude tripped over a metal grate of some sort.
premiums and taxes
...On the entrepreneurs and businessmen that earned their wealth, to pay for the rest of the people that haven't done squat. That sounds fair.
So working hard in three jobs to provide for your family is doing squat. Your idea of fairness seem to be if we can't fuck the poor and downtrodden its not fair.
WE the people to create a more perfect union...No, if the poor are working hard then we ought to help them. (notice that I said we, not the government).
don't know many potheads do you?But many people are just pot-head lazy bastards living off welfare and free services.
It's unfair to tax entrepreneurs and successful people to pay for these morons.
"God created the heavens and the Earth"WE the people to create a more perfect union...
Nope, but I do know that there are plenty out there. And plenty of morons that never bothered pursuing education and have low standards, who don't deserve to be given anything for free.don't know many potheads do you?
What? Entrepreneurs are self-made.no it is unfair to not tax those people to pay for those they have put into those positions