What's 'nothing' ???

[Fukushi]

answer

Wel okay then,...

with every answer we come to, multiple questions arise

Now: giving an answer trows more questions néh? : so if anyone (like me for expl.) gives you an answer wich gives you MORE questions :

to me the truth is that those who discover the next questions, are those who have aided man and knowledge

Then I have aided you by giving you an answer, giving you multiple question to chew on,...
so your conclusion that I halted your progress:

If you simply answer a question, you have halted progress.

Does simply not make sense,....(according to your own principles)

And last but certainly not least: It is verry inpolite to answer a question with a question,...

For me : My reply on nothingness stands,...and your reply to it doesn't help humans to understand it,....it wil just confuse and diverge the answer to another theme,...upon wich you furiously begin to argue,...

peace man,...

 

[Alpha]

Originally posted by Stryderunknown
Firstly, I found a mentioning of "An Edge of the Universe", admittedly my perception of the universe is the universe itself exists like a solar system within a galaxy. Our universe is just like a Housing estate or Block in a city.

What our universe exists in is space, It's percievable that there are no limits to the extent of space, just limits on the amount of energy that exists through "Doppler shifts that can use Quantum Entanglement and Doppler Congestion to span the Universe" (congestion meaning that Dopplers are forced to span out after clashing together like the crest of a wave)

The space beyond a percievable edge might actually get to the point of nothingness with no or limited amounts of energy or quanta.

I think the universe does not exist in space, but the other way around. Space exists in the universe. There can be no percievable "edge" because you could (theoretically) continue in any direction and never come to an edge, but end up back where you started, as if the universe had the shape of a ballon and we're on the surface. Which also explains the expanding galaxies.

As for the Energy within space and it's definition of it being finite or Infinite, I would suggest the latter. My understanding of how a universe was born, is the idea that at one point there was nothing but space (with a limited energy deduced by relativity).
The understanding of light congregating in a future blackhole to amount the energy necessary to navigate a temporal wormhole back to the beginning of the universe. creating a spout of the first atoms into a relative space, where space now increased with it's waves of dopplers eminating from the newly defined atoms.

The creation of a Star at this point is inevitable from the collection of gases forming, and the gravity they all collect. The continued steam of atoms causes fission enough to burn brightly, and over time it eventually cancels out the blackholes creation.

This would explain how an individual one occurs, since the first dopplers are moving across space they slow and are overtaken by an explosion of quanta from the reaction of the Blackhole to Star invertion. This causes "Clone" versions of that event occuring, with each one occuring the original ones cause small distortions that make each uniquely different.

This of course means that SPACE is MULTIDIMENSIONAL, it holds no bounds to it's dimensional capability. Due to the process I've written above, the amount of matter that can exist within it is INFINITE. The universe continues to expand like a chain reaction.

There is no such thing as infinity. If you think about it, the concept of infinity is a paradox. Therefore it cannot exist in reality, only as an abstract idea. I think I proved this in another thread.

 

[JoeBlow]

I've heard of quantum physics uncertainty principle being compared to a typewriter. Now this typewriter is capable of writing up yo fifty characters with fifty different symbols such as A through Z, and 0 through 9 you can supply the rest (period, semicolon,etc.). And what this typewriter goes on to do is write every imaginable thing that has, is and will ever be written. (Gamov's book, "One,two, three, Infinity"). All it goes to show is that there is a lot of meaningless garbage yet to be published about what we cannot measure. Such as the space between the valence shells of an electron's orbital. Supposedly the're forbidden bands. There's not supposed to be anything there, but the method of uncertainty lies in___it grows more certain with___ and less probable with____. Does this help any?

 

[allant]

I love words they get you up a creek with out a paddle so fast.

When we ask what is something, we need to be carefull what defintions we use.

Worse still nothing has another handicap it is a negation which is a nasty beast in it'self.

Ok lets get to the bone. First off lets define nothing as a negation of something. Now this concept is artificial. let me explain. To have a negation you always need a universal set, it is what is left over when you take things away from that universal set.

Now if we define nothing as when there everything is removed from the universe we observe. With this set space exists, if we remove space what have we got left - nothing. But can we go to, and is there a place where space does not exist ? No we cant for if it is a place it has a space even if it is infinitely small.

Ok so lets narow the defintion of nothing down a little. Is there a place where the rest of the universe does not affect that place ? Again the answer seems to be no.

Is there a place with no matter, energy. Ie can we or mother nature create a place where no matter or energy exists. The answer to this seems to be no. See the discussion above about quantum probabiltiy being low but never zero anywhere.

There is some argument about the speed of this it is known to exceed C but if less than instantaneous, could the universe expand faster than this and leave a space place where the effects have not yet reached?

Ok so how far do we have to go ? Ok how about a place that we potentially or actually could not detect any matter or energy. Well yes but we would not know we had got lucky and been there until after the event. You just cant know before hand whether that electron from andromeda is going to turn up and trash the place.