What do you think: what exploded in pagers in Lebanon then?
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Seattle
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I've never read that but what difference does it make what kind of explosives were used?
Я исправила: в Ливане. Если это была взрывчатка, то почему её до сих пор не определили? И каким образом её смогли активировать в электросамокатах и микроволновках?
Seattle
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I've seen not stories about microwaves and electronic scooters, just cell phones and pagers.
У нас в СМИ писали и о бытовых приборах.
DaveC426913
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How do you know it hasn't been identified?
If you're wondering why it hasn't made it into the media where you can read about it, I can think of some good reasons.
Ну вообще то о том, что взрывались не только пейджеры и рации, а и различные бытовые приборы, и солнечные батареи, написали даже в Википедии.
DaveC426913
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Yes. Two separate issues.
1] What explosive was used? They may not be releasing this information.
2] How did they get other devices to explode? The only info I see about household appliances or solar devices is in the references, and they are hidden behind subscription walls.
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Я думаю, что всё дело в литии. Во всех этих приборах содержался литий. Не взорвались же старые модели пейджеров, в которых литий не использовался. Вероятно, что никакой взрывчатки и не понадобилось. Кто то каким то образом активировал внутренние процессы в литии. Очевидцы говорили, что перед тем как взорваться, эти приборы сильно нагрелись. И это уже похоже на какое то новое оружие.
Early claims made in an Aljazeera news article and elsewhere that "mobile phones, laptops and even solar power cells" exploded were unreliable. Similar would presumably be the case with microwave ovens and electric scooters.
Fact check: No iPhones or solar panels exploded in Lebanon
https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-no-iphones-solar-panels-laptops-exploded-in-lebanon/a-70281061
And accordingly, one can compile a few key points from that. The motorcycles and automobiles probably caught on fire afterwards like the homes and shops, rather than such detonating themselves.
- The Israeli intelligence agency Mossad had secretly manufactured and integrated the explosive PETN into the devices, and sold them to Hezbollah through a shell company.
- About 24 hours after the initial attack with pagers, a second wave of explosions occurred, targeting handheld radios (walkie-talkies).
- Lebanese Civil Defense said it responded to fires in at least 71 homes and shops, including a lithium battery store in Majdel Selm, as well as 15 cars and numerous motorcycles. These fires were triggered by explosions in various locations.
- Other electronic devices, such as fingerprint biometric devices, were also reported to have exploded, though it remains unclear whether those devices caught fire from other explosions or detonated on their own.
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More or less irrelevant. The images circulating around on social media of solar panels exploding were faked. Excerpt from the DW article:
Claim: Other social media users insinuated that Israel had caused solar panels to burst into flames. "Lebanon: Sabotaged solar panels have started significant electrical fires. Over 500 individuals have been reported injured so far", this user wrote, featuring an Israeli flag. Attached was an image of burning solar panels and a house on fire.
DW Fact check: False.
There are no documented cases of exploding solar panels in the current attacks in Lebanon. The image is a collage of two old pictures.
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It will probably take years or decades for the details to be revealed by an official source. But for now, the December 2024 interview will probably have to suffice as a substitute. According to the ex-Mossad agents, the explosive charge was placed inside the lithium batteries.
Ex-Israeli agents reveal how pager attacks were carried out
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwy3l02wxqdo
https://www.military.com/daily-news...ing-electronic-devices-against-hezbollah.html
EXCERPTS: In an interview with CBS, the BBC's US media partner, the two former agents divulged details of the operation. One of the agents, given the name Michael, said Mossad had concealed an explosive device inside the batteries operating the walkie-talkies [...] The operation expanded two years ago to include pagers...
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At the same time, for anyone with half a brain and an ounce of inclination, this information has always been readily available. Back in the day, you'd just go to the library and peruse various military documents--fer instance:
The Anarchist Cookbook - Wikipedia
These days, you just scour the US Patent and Trademark website or any of a gazillion forums and whatnots.
If you want to know how to blow up some shit in a cool-ass way (not condoning Israel's actions here, to be clear) and you've got a functioning brain, it ain't that hard.
Если вы считаете что это не сложно, тогда изложите свою версию, что на самом деле тогда произошло?At the same time, for anyone with half a brain and an ounce of inclination, this information has always been readily available. Back in the day, you'd just go to the library and peruse various military documents--fer instance:
The Anarchist Cookbook - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
These days, you just scour the US Patent and Trademark website or any of a gazillion forums and whatnots.
If you want to know how to blow up some shit in a cool-ass way (not condoning Israel's actions here, to be clear) and you've got a functioning brain, it ain't that hard.
Not at all. I think it's difficult, certainly, I'm just saying that if a person's got a brain and the inclination they can figure it out--with widely and legally available resources. At least in the US, and I, suspect, much of Europe and elsewhere.
As I presently have no intentions of blowing anyone up (emphasis on the presently there), I do not presently have the desire or inclination to work it out.
Как узнать, какие объекты находились в космосе в эти дни примерно над зоной случившегося?
DaveC426913
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Caveat though: in this day of cookies and cyber-surveillance, the harder it is to research something, the easier it is to catch those doing it. Any degree of obfuscation gives the authorities more chance to sniff out those researching ways to make mayhem.At the same time, for anyone with half a brain and an ounce of inclination, this information has always been readily available. Back in the day, you'd just go to the library and peruse various military documents--fer instance:
The Anarchist Cookbook - Wikipedia
These days, you just scour the US Patent and Trademark website or any of a gazillion forums and whatnots.
If you want to know how to blow up some shit in a cool-ass way (not condoning Israel's actions here, to be clear) and you've got a functioning brain, it ain't that hard.
Putting it on Facebook or whatever largely bypasses that check step to root out ne'er-do-wells.
So in principle it does serve some degree purpose.