Unfair way of thinking!!!

path,
yes they do
prove it if you think they do not
Indians know pretty well what Muslims (Arab) did to them, they know who ended an extremely ugly period of Mongolian ruling, Indians know how to compare between the Arab (Muslims) and British (Christians). They know who gave more than what he took and they know who kept taking without giving a thing.
 
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Yazan said:
strange how some think that they know the history of others better, and even when you tell them that what they are saying is not true, they will keep arguing about it, I know the Islamic history and the middle East history, and most of what you say path is wrong, about the slaves if you are an American you really should not talk about it, just remember Africa, it good for you, the Europeans of course were no better in that matter.
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Funny thing Yazan we have these miraculous little things called books written on all subjects by all sorts of people I can for example read a translation of any middle eastern or asian author I wish and gain knowledge of it. I can provide references to back up what I say and I can discuss whatever I wish


Arab used to do it before Islam but not after, if bunch of guys (no matter, Kings, Sultans or normal people) did it, it does not mean Arab or Islam.
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You are either truly ignorant or lying here Yazan slavery is mentioned often in the quran hadith and sunnah as are examples of it from history. I do not try and excuse or deny the existence of slavery in the west and you shouldn't delude yourself either.
 
so far I saw people posting completely wrong explanation of some verses in the Holy Koran claiming that they took them from translated books. this is the funny thing. any way please post some of what Arab wrote and have been translated, something that shows them or Islam as the bad people.
this would be interesting.
You are either truly ignorant or lying here Yazan slavery is mentioned often in the quran hadith and sunnah as are examples of it from history. I do not try and excuse or deny the existence of slavery in the west and you shouldn't delude yourself either.
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and who said that there were no, I said that this took place terribly before Islam, the prophet ended that, and there were some after his period (far after) but not like what I used to think depending on what the west says. I’m now in Oman and I know how this used to be, because it still until today, they look like slaves but they want it, I swear this is the real story, they get paid for their services, they are named (yes in a way that I don’t like) like this family serves the X family, but again this is what they want, it the way of getting their living the way that they are not forced to go through the way that they can get rid of whenever they want
 
Fraggle:
The only places where Jews as immigrants have been treated better were medieval China and the present-day U.S.A. Interestingly enough, the warm welcome in China led them to assimilate and intermarry at such a rate that as a separate ethnic group they vanished within a couple of centuries. Many Jewish leaders fear that the same thing will happen in this country.
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?!

Chinky Jews? That's a sight.

I've never heard of a Jewish influx into China, and in medieval times for that matter. I was always under the impression that China up until fall of Manchuria had been something like a hostile vagina, Russian-like, but more regimented. I would go as far saying the Chinese are by far the 'cleansest' race on the planet.

The Jews would come a close second, but they are not a race.
 
Yazan said:
path,
yes they do
prove it if you think they do not
Indians know pretty well what Muslims (Arab) did to them, they know who ended an extremely ugly period of Mongolian ruling, Indians know how to compare between the Arab (Muslims) and British (Christians). They know who gave more than what he took and they know who kept taking without giving a thing.
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Yes and they are learning more all the time. You know when the Mongols came to India? When the mujahids came? You claim that the people in each country know their history best, well here have some Indian history from an indian. An indian compiled wrote this book but the following quote is from a muslim actually involved in the incident.

A Hundred Thousand Hindus slaughtered in One Day


“Next day, Friday the 3rd of the month. I left the fort of Loni and marched to a position opposite to Jahan-numa67 where I encamped… I now held a Court… At this Court Amir Jahan Shah and Amir Sulaiman Shah and other amirs of experience, brought to my notice that, from the time of entering Hindustan up to the present time, we had taken more than 100,000 infidels and Hindus prisoners, and that they were all in my camp. On the previous day, when the enemy’s forces made the attack upon us, the prisoners made signs of rejoicing, uttered imprecations against us, and were ready, as soon as they heard of the enemy’s success, to form themselves into a body, break their bonds, plunder our tents, and then to go and join the enemy, and so increase his numbers and strength. I asked their advice about the prisoners, and they said that on the great day of battle these 100,000 prisoners could not be left with the baggage, and that it would be entirely opposed to the [Islamic] rules of war to set these idolaters and foes of Islam at liberty. In fact, no other course remained but that of making them all food for the sword. When I heard these words I found them in accordance with the rules of war, and I directly gave my command for the tawAchis68 to proclaim throughout the camp that every man who had infidel prisoners was to put them to death and whoever neglected to do so should himself be executed and his property given to the informer. When this order became known to the ghAzis of Islam, they drew their swords and put their prisoners to death. 100,000 infidels, impious idolaters, were on that day slain. Maulana Nasiru-d-din ‘Umar, a counsellor and man of learning, who, in all his life, had never killed a sparrow, now, in execution of my order, slew with his sword fifteen idolatrous Hindus,69 who were his captives…70
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Here is another tidbit

They sent their messengers, and craved for themselves and their families exemption from death and captivity. Muhammad Kasim granted them protection on their faithful promises, but put the soldiers to death, and took all their followers and dependents prisoners. All the captives, up to about thirty years of age, who were able to work, he made slaves, and put a price upon them
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Sorry I was in a bit of a rush you can find this book online here You will notice that the narrator doesn't see anything wrong with what is happening according to him killing and enslaving filthy hindu's is all part of gods work
 
Eluminate said:
lol i think its the least religious country in the western world and I live here.
The only religion that is practiced here is the worship of the dollar and thats a religion that is practiced by all. He'll they even thought about deleting "under god" from the constitution to suit athiests and that is very non-religious. Money is the only god here thats adhered to most if not all of the religions are scams anyways.
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The States has much higher rates of belief and church attendance than Western Europe.
 
gendanken said:
Fraggle:


?!

Chinky Jews? That's a sight.

I've never heard of a Jewish influx into China, and in medieval times for that matter. I was always under the impression that China up until fall of Manchuria had been something like a hostile vagina, Russian-like, but more regimented. I would go as far saying the Chinese are by far the 'cleansest' race on the planet.

The Jews would come a close second, but they are not a race.
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Probably Iceland, actually.

I mean, the word Russia comes from Swedes, the word Slav comes from Arabs, and the Russians have intermingled with Mongolians, Poles, Swedes, Germans, and Turks, among others.
 
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One of my favorite plutonian principles is the one that says,
The right thing always contains a bad part, but it is called a good thing because most of it is good, and vice versa.
When I say that the Islamic influence on India was good, I believe that this is true. again the same problem, I don’t expect you to read Urdu, other wise I will give you wonderful articles and books written by Al kandhalwi an Indian who sees the greatness of Islam upon India, Jadu Nath Sarkar is a Hindu historianus, he is really a big deal, (although many Muslims disagree with many of what he says) wrote in some of his books that India had some of its best times under the Islamic rule. He feels India reached new heights of civilization during the Muslim rule. Some of the benefits of Muslim rule that he assesses include, internal peace over a long period of time, uniformity of administration, uniformity of social manner and dress irrespective of creed, common lingua franca, rise of vernacular literature, monotheistic religious revival, rise of mysticism (Sufism) and a general improvement in civilization.
If you accept Arabic, Islamic, Urdu, Persian sources it would be a pleasure to attach them
 
Yazan said:
When I say that the Islamic influence on India was good, I believe that this is true. again the same problem, I don’t expect you to read Urdu, other wise I will give you wonderful articles and books written by Al kandhalwi an Indian who sees the greatness of Islam upon India, Jadu Nath Sarkar is a Hindu historianus, he is really a big deal, (although many Muslims disagree with many of what he says) wrote in some of his books that India had some of its best times under the Islamic rule. He feels India reached new heights of civilization during the Muslim rule. Some of the benefits of Muslim rule that he assesses include, internal peace over a long period of time,
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Was there internal peace over a long period? Not if you think of fairly frequent persecutions of hindus and civil wars within the islamic ruling class.
uniformity of administration,
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Is uniformity of an unjust administration a virtue?
uniformity of social manner and dress irrespective of creed,
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Again, are these virtues?
common lingua franca, rise of vernacular literature,
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What evidence is there that these came about as a result of muslim rule?
monotheistic religious revival, rise of mysticism (Sufism) and a general improvement in civilization.
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Some of us think any kind of religious revival and mysticism are pretty good arguments against whatever caused them.
 
I could give you a horrible example of Russian under indirect muslim rule after the Tataro-Mongols converted. Basicly Russians were considered below slaves since they were "non-believers" and were treated horribly. Beforehand there was united actions against enemies and a general vassal / sovereign relationship. But as soon as the horde converted it lost judgement and common sense in its policies toward the Russian duchies. There was also a civil war within the horde that slaughtered about 1/3rd of the Tataro-Mongols who converted to orthodoxy or kept to the old ways. This triggered the close mindedness of islam prolifiration and the eventual downfall of the horde. Probably one of the worst periods in Russian history was the last 50 years of the Mongol Yoke right after the rulers converted to Islam.
 
In other parts of Asia and Europe, the conquered nations quickly opted for conversion to Islam rather than death. But in India, because of the staunch resistance of the 4000 year old Hindu faith, the Muslim conquests were for the Hindus a pure struggle between life and death. Entire cities were burnt down and their populations massacred. Each successive campaign brought hundreds of thousands of victims and similar numbers were deported as slaves. Every new invader made often literally his hill of Hindu skulls. Thus the conquest of Afghanistan in the year 1000, was followed by the annihilation of the entire Hindu population there; indeed, the region is still called Hindu Kush, 'Hindu slaughter'. The Bahmani sultans in central India, made it a rule to kill 100.000 Hindus a year. In 1399, Teimur killed 100.000 Hindus IN A SINGLE DAY, and many more on other occasions. Koenraad Elst quotes Professor K.S. Lal's "Growth of Muslim population in India", who writes that according to his calculations, the Hindu population decreased by 8O MILLION between the year 1000 and 1525. INDEED PROBABLY THE BIGGEST HOLOCAUST IN THE WHOLE WORLD HISTORY. (Negat.34)
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Yazan don't fool yourself ANY wars of conquest are BAD for the conquered, and the conquerors ALWAYS spin myths about how wonderful things were after they came (any conqueror). The amount of property destroyed by jihadis in India is immeasurable. They destroyed temples that had stood for millenia and looted the treasures from them. I can go on and post pages of citations on this but is it really neccessary? How is having your cultural heritage destroyed while you are being robbed or killed in the name of god a good thing? Please don't tell me it was to bring them culture or religion because India already had plenty of both. Jihad in india was undoubtedly a wonderful thing for the early converts to islam suddenly someone from a lower caste could hold power over their former masters, they are your glorifiers of jihad in india.
 
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