You're starting to bore me now with your responses. Another forum with the same thread is being a lot more productive for me. So long.
Umboi: Did Rays Evolve The Ability To Fly?
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Yeah, FACTS that don't fit in with your BULLSHIT bore you. Please do sod off to another forum.
lol. Sorry, I didn't mean to be so rude.
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I'm still waiting for you to explain how we're being naive about aerodynamics.
A ray the size of a flying fish could theoretically evolve the same ability of glide/flying above the waves. It's undeniable, surely? I think many people when they here the word "fly", immediately think of a bald eagle or something. It's the uplift from the wind which can allow sustained low energy travel through the air when low above the waves. (The ground effect is just an enhancement of this mode of travel)
I was refering to Phlog with that statement I seem to remember.
So do you except that rays could have evolved to fly in theory?
Enmos
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In theory rays perhaps could have been distant ancestors of flying animals, but there would have been a shitload of intermediate forms. You then cannot say that rays could have evolved to fly anymore than you can say that slugs can evolve to be humans.
Ophiolite
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It doesn't matter who you were referring to, at least two of us, AN and myself, would like to know the answer to AN's question. How are we being naive about aerodynamics?
When you have answered this I shall consider dealing with your attempt at a diversion.
No. This is obviously BS.
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I really don't know what you're talking about anymore. There's no good reason why rays couldn't have evolved to glide/fly like an albatross. It's a FACT. The reason why I'm proposing this is that it solves the mystery of eye-witness accounts of flying UFO's and bioluminesence. It's a BETTER explanation for Ropens than the established imagery of a living pterosaur IMO.
Enmos
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What exactly are you calling a fact?
It's common sense!!
Enmos
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Nonsense. And you thinking that something is common sense does not nearly make it fact.
Cryptozoological Explanation for Beehive Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD)?
Changing the subject a little: I even think that a crypto flying beast could be responsible for CCD! It's very tenuous, I agree. But then again, better to check for every possible explanation than let our life-giving honey bees continue on a potentially unnecessary decline imo. (A flying ray could potentially be attracted by the heat and electric field of an active hive)
Changing the subject a little: I even think that a crypto flying beast could be responsible for CCD! It's very tenuous, I agree. But then again, better to check for every possible explanation than let our life-giving honey bees continue on a potentially unnecessary decline imo. (A flying ray could potentially be attracted by the heat and electric field of an active hive)
Ophiolite
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Then fucking well pay attention. You made a claim in an earlier post that some of the posters in this thread were naive about aerodynamics. We wish to know in what way were they naive about aerodynamics.
It is really simple. you made a claim. we want you to provide the details of that claim.
Do you understand it yet? Just answer this question:
"In what way were posters in this thread naive about aerodynamics?"
For FUCKS sake, would it kill you to look up some facts before posting such inane BULLSHIT.
You said Ropens were up to 6m in wingspan. The largest corresponding ray we have at about that that size tip to tip, is the Manta Ray. At that size they weigh THREE FUCKING TONNES.
Now, you HAVE NOT DEALT WITH wing geometry, blood oxygenation, or energy requirements for your proposed THREE TONNE GLIDER/FLYING RAY.
To put this in perspective, an Albatross with a wingspan of 3.5metres weighs just 11Kg! DO YOU GET THIS YET? If you had an Albatross the size of a 'Ropen' it would weigh less than 100Kg, but your proposed 'Ray' would weigh THIRTY TIMES MORE.
Your proposition is that a ray, THIRTY TIMES HEAVIER than a WARM BLOODED BIRD with highly evolved lungs and air sacks for respiration, could just leap into the air flap it's fins and start flying?
Jesus you are stupid. STUPID.
Check the numbers yourself, and please, DO NOT POST ANY MORE BULLSHIT UNTIL YOU HAVE MORE THAN A PIPE DREAM.
For the cryptozoologically minded, here's a related thread: Springheel Jack & The Jersey Devil.
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