UFOs (UAPs): Explanations?

It's not a sharp image, though. It's rather grainy. It's quite a good photo relative to most other ones, but it isn't sharp. And, again, it's a single photo, no corroboration, no real data as to the size, distance (other than at least 30-ft away), speed etc. There's nothing in the photo to suggest that it isn't just something thrown into the air, like a frisbee.
Yes, it's a UAP, because it technically remains unidentified, but unless you want to provide something that shows that it isn't just something thrown in the air...? ;)

All ruled out by the detailed analysis:

"Three topics are briefly reviewed here (a) surface characteristics, (b) flight records in competition, and (c) subtended angles and related distances. The author consulted with a person6 who had previously worked for a well known manufacturer of Frisbees. He explained the necessity of having a smoothly curved leading edge at the circumference of the disc and tiny microgrooves in the top surface in order to create a lifting force during its spinning flight. He suggested that the addition of a dome-like structure to the top would probably reduce or destroy this aerodynamic lift. The author (later) proved that this was indeed true. The author also contacted various toy stores to inspect various Frisbee models. A total of seven different models were inspected. All possessed a glossy (specular) outer surface. Most had reflectances of about 80% or less. Of the six models produced before 198 1, only two had paper labels, the other four6 had colorful embossed drawings centered across the top surface.

Men's and women's world records for throwing Frisbees were obtained from the International Frisbee disc Association (IFA). This organization has hosted tournaments which have become qualifying events for the World Frisbee Championship. It was discovered that the men's outdoor distance record is 166 m (540 feet) and the women's record is 122 m (397 feet). These records were set in 1983 and 1980, respectively and are meant only to indicate the general range of human capability for this skilled activity. The men's world record for maximum time aloft is 1 5.5 seconds (1 98 1); the women's record is 1 1.4 seconds (1980). The linear width of the disc's image on the negative was 0.98 mm. The width of the 36 mm frame was equivalent to a horizontal angle of 48". The useful ratio can be formed: where: X = the angle subtended by the disc. This angle is 1.307 " . Therefore, Tan 1.30712 = 0.01 14 = (W/D)2 where: W = the assumed object width and D = the separation distance between the camera and object. Letting W = 9 inches, D = 32.88 feet which exceeds the hyperfocal distance. If the disc object was 10 or 50 feet in width it would have been 438 feet or 2,192 feet from the camera, respectively. And if the disc had been hovering directly over the mountain (i.e., 7,580 feet away) it would have been 173 feet in width. Assuming that the camera shutter speed was 1/ 125th second and the disc image was produced by a typical Frisbee travelling at 10 feet per second, a 9 inch diameter disc moving normal to the line of sight would move 0.96 inches in his duration. Approximately 9.3% of the Frisbee's diameter would show up as a blur on the leading and trailing edge of the Frisbee's photographic image. There is virtually no blur visible on the photograph in question which strongly argues that the disc was not travelling normal to the line of sight. If it was motionless it would be far more difficult to perceive, particularly if the -- I wish to thank Mr. Gordon Holt for his professional assistance in this phase of the analysis. UFO photograph 147 photographer was (a) looking through a camera's optics and (b) was not expecting to see anything hanging motionless in the air.

It is highly unlikely that the object photographed was a commercially available Frisbee. There are significant top surface contour differences between a Frisbee and the photographed disc. This was shown by a careful comparison of photographs of a Frisbee model with scale dome oriented the same as the photographed disc and illuminated by sunlight under the same angular conditions. The surface reflections were markedly different in each case. In addition, the presence of the tiny, concentric micro-grooves on all Frisbees would not be expected to yield a sharp contrast gradient as is seen in Figures 7(b), 8, and 9. When the author attached a light-weight dome to a Frisbee it would not fly very far nor very high. It is problematical whether another person could have achieved such a feat. The author inspected the frame immediately following the frame in question and found that it had been taken in Campbell River following the trip north. The immediately preceeding frame was also located. It showed Mr. D.M. and their daughter standing in front of a small pond at the Provincial park on the day the photograph had been taken, exactly as stated by the photographer. If someone had tossed a model up into the air in order to photograph it, only one photo was taken. It is fortuitous that such a clearly focused image was obtained on the first try, if this is what happened. Furthermore, this explanation does not stand up under scrutiny of the author's in-depth interviews and site visit. The fact that the photographer stated that she was taking a photograph of the mountain (and not of a UFO disc or model) is further supported by the fact that the top of the mountain was well centered in the photograph. The object was not centered. The lack of any image blur suggests that the disc was nearly motionless which would make it I more difficult to see, other factors equal."---- https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/docum...&doi=9f242e8a8ef215464c46f7b303d82311ffb0c64d
 
HUGE collection of ufo/uap photos from 1870 to 2011. So much for the claim that there's no photographic evidence for uaps..

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Oh it was a mistake now?
Did I write "It was a mistake."?

Or are you lying and misrepresenting what I wrote, while quoting what I actually wrote, which was something different?

Are you going to apologise to your readers, and to me, for telling yet another knowing lie?
Wow..so how bout backing up that claim with some evidence now so we can all know for sure that you aren't just making shit up again?
I did back up my claim that some people might have been mistaken. In fact, as you will recall, I addressed that point explicitly and at some length in our prior conversations about the matter.

You're not going to tell some more lies about this, too. Are you? Want to push your luck some more?
Videos actually.. Hundreds of them in fact, Are you saying video evidence is no good now?
Did I write anything to that effect? Or did I not? You tell me. Be honest now. If you can.

No good for what? What are you saying video evidence is "good for", anyhow?
If they thought they were some known mundane object, they would've ruled that out. In fact they did, ruling out hundreds of those videos.
Thinking it might be (or not be) something, and being able to rule it out with reference to evidence are two very different things, as you know.

But now I'm interested. You say the military found that hundreds of these metallic-looking spheres of yours were known mundane objects?

What kinds of things did the objects turn out to be, then? Please give me some of the hundreds of examples, as found by the military investigators.

Then, tell me how you know that the remaining ones, which could not be positively identified, cannot possibly be any of the types of mundane objects that the military has found these things to be in other cases.

I expect you won't respond to this part, because Dishonest Troll. Go on, see if you can do something I don't expect from you. I dare you.
What remained are the mysterious metallic spheres as well as a number of other mysterious objects of all sorts of shapes and sizes.
What remained are unidentified things that look a bit like mysterious metallic spheres. Ho hum.
So no.,, there is no military conspiracy cover up that all these uaps are really balloons or foreign craft of any sort, despite your wishful thinking.
Great! Then you'll have no problem telling me what the military didn't cover up about the identifies of the hundreds of metallic-looking spheres they found to be entirely mundane and ordinary objects. Right?
See post #9946 where we learn that the head the AARO himself coauthored a paper recently speculating the metallic spheres to be probes from alien motherships.
Speculating? That's not what the AARO was set up to do, is it?

Did they appoint an incompetent head? Or are you telling lies again?
Doesn't sound like he believes they're something mundane now does it?
It doesn't matter what he believes they are. Just as it doesn't matter what you believe they are. Until they are identified, they are unidentified, and you guys are just "speculating". Right?
 
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HUGE collection of ufo/uap photos from 1870 to 2011. So much for the claim that there's no photographic evidence for uaps..
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Sites that contain Malware are usually put up with low-grade bulk content, designed to draw in the unsophisticated, with the ulterior motive of phishing for personal data.

MR, please choose your content more carefully. It's bad enough the junk we get posted here, but putting users in harm's way with Malware is irresponsible.
 
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LOL! Dave posts some spam for using "Browser Guard" as an excuse for not looking at a posted gallery of uap photos. What did I tell you? Dogmatic skeptics will do anything to avoid looking at the posted evidence.
 
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Did I write "It was a mistake."?

Or are you lying and misrepresenting what I wrote, while quoting what I actually wrote, which was something different?

Are you going to apologise to your readers, and to me, for telling yet another knowing lie?

So here's what you actually said. Sounds like you thought it was a mistake to me,

So, maybe those claims are just mistakes, and it was a balloon.
James said:: I did back up my claim that some people might have been mistaken. In fact, as you will recall, I addressed that point explicitly and at some length in our prior conversations about the matter.

Really? So you posted evidence that the uaps observed to be metallic spheres were really just balloons? Kindly direct me to that or admit you're lying again.

But now I'm interested. You say the military found that hundreds of these metallic-looking spheres of yours were known mundane objects?

LOL Is that what I said? Let's check that:

"If they thought they were some known mundane object, they would've ruled that out. In fact they did, ruling out hundreds of those videos. What remained are the mysterious metallic spheres as well as a number of other mysterious objects of all sorts of shapes and sizes."

Does that say they ruled out the videos of metallic spheres? No. I explicitly said they ruled out hundreds of videos of "known mundane objects". And what remained were videos of metallic spheres and other mysterious objects. Word of advice: don't make up shit about what I just posted. It can easily be checked and used to refute your lying claims.
 
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James said: Nobody is as stupid as you pretend to be. What a troll you are.

James' typical ad hom of me without any counterargument. It's all he has at this point. Lies and a repetitous litany of childish ad homs.
 
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Referring to Sean Kirkpatrick, the head of the Pentagon's AARO office:

James said: It doesn't matter what he believes they are.

Sure it does. He has seen hundreds of videos and reviewed scores of reports of uaps. It is absolutely relevant what he believes they are, particularly in the face of your absurd claim that they secretly know the uaps were some sort of known foreign spy technology. This totally refutes that claim.
 
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In summary, this investigation has shown that a mature adult with high credibility and little or no interest in UFO phenomena obtained a single, colored, sharp imaged photograph of an unidentified aerial disc-like object.
Evaluations of credibility are largely irrelevant to the photo analysis. Photo analysts do not produce precision metrics of sincerity or maturity. The only relevant conclusion is that the object was not due to a lens or emulsion defect, that the negative appeared undoctored, and that the object could not be identified and lacked the motion blurring that a tossed frisbee would produce. The only hypothesis supported by the Vancouver pic is that aerial anomalies exist. That's it. Intriguing, headscratch-generating, but not in any way supportive of any ET hypothesis or Kardashev II-III societies spewing out Von Neuman Probes hypothesis.
 
LOL! Dave posts some spam for using "Browser Guard" as an excuse for not looking at a posted gallery of uap photos. What did I tell you? Dogmatic skeptics will do anything to avoid looking at the posted evidence.
This thread is getting ever more trumplike in its perniciousness.

MR posts a link to a trash site that flags as Malware, and his reaction is to pretend the Malware warning to readers is some sort of spamming, and a ploy of dogmatic skeptics.

It is as if the truth doesn't matter to some people anymore, or that he well-being of member is to be sacrificed, and all that matters is winning some perceived popularity battle.

Shameful behavior, MR. You've said before you don't care about SciFo members, but now you're negligently leading them into potential danger.

Reported.
 
The only hypothesis supported by the Vancouver pic is that aerial anomalies exist. That's it. Intriguing, headscratch-generating, but not in any way supportive of any ET hypothesis or Kardashev II-III societies spewing out Von Neuman Probes hypothesis.

That's all I ever claim. That the objects are UAPs--unidentified anomalous phenomena. What CAN be said is that the object can fly, is disc shaped, and appears metallic based on the sun glare. That in itself wouldn't be significant if it weren't for the fact that we have thousands of similar photos and videos of such objects dating from 1860 to 2023 as well as innumerable eyewitness accounts . Hence the whole field of ufology and the well-known existence and popularity of the ufo/uap phenomenon worldwide. Tks for being open-minded.
 
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This thread is getting ever more trumplike in its perniciousness.

MR posts a link to a trash site that flags as Malware, and his reaction is to pretend the Malware warning to readers is some sort of spamming, and a ploy of dogmatic skeptics.

It is as if the truth doesn't matter to some people anymore, or that he well-being of member is to be sacrificed, and all that matters is winning some perceived popularity battle.

Shameful behavior, MR. You've said before you don't care about SciFo members, but now you're negligently leading them into potential danger.

Reported.

And here we go again with Dave's sniveling and whining reportings of my posts in the crybabyish attempt to get me infracted and so eventually banned. If you're new to this forum this is SOP for Dave and James. Sometimes it works but most times it doesn't. It would be concerning were it not so boringly routine.

For the record, I have visited that website many times with no problem and have the very reliable security software Webroot installed on my computer. If there was malware there it would've certainly detected it. It doesn't.
 
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Interesting story in The Hill:

Before JamesR has apoplexy (I argue with the guy, but don't want to harm him) I'll say that I don't entirely believe this. I don't exactly disbelieve it either, but probably closer to disbelief than belief at this point. Perhaps classify it along David Grusch's Congressional testimony in the "Where there's smoke there's fire" file. I'd like to read the text of the legislation referred to here and will try to find it.


"Has the U.S. government secretly retrieved exotic craft of “non-human” origin? Newly declassified documents, along with extraordinary legislation, illustrate how two successive Democratic Senate majority leaders appear to have believed so.

Notably, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) and the late Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) were not alone in their focus on UFOs. The Democratic heavyweights received critical support and encouragement from a bipartisan group of high-profile senators over the years, including former fighter pilot and famed astronaut John Glenn (D-Ohio); Ted Stevens (R-Alaska), who observed a UFO as a World War II pilot; Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii), then-chairman of the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Defense; 2008 GOP presidential nominee Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.); Senate Intelligence Vice Chairman Marco Rubio (R-Fla.); Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) and Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.)...

...In short, Reid and Lieberman were advocating, “with some sense of urgency,” for the establishment of a formal UFO reverse-engineering program.

Startling as it may be, the notion that shadowy elements of the U.S. government or defense contractors secretly possess retrieved UFOs is treated as fact in the documents...

More recently, Schumer and a bipartisan group of five other senators introduced extraordinary legislation alleging the existence of surreptitious “legacy programs” that retrieve and seek to reverse-engineer UFOs of “non-human” origin...

...The core elements of Schumer and Rounds’s stunning legislation match the allegations of Air Force veteran and former intelligence official David Grusch, who testified under oath to the existence of UFO retrieval and reverse engineering efforts not subject to congressional oversight...

...In January, Sean Kirkpatrick, the former director of the Pentagon’s UFO analysis office, embarked on an unusual media tour to pour cold water on the swirling allegations of secret, unreported UFO programs. But Kirkpatrick’s public commentary appears to have had little effect on Capitol Hill...

Asked on May 2 whether a 63-page Pentagon report categorically denying the existence of illicit UFO efforts is “case closed,” Gillibrand stated, “Oh, it’s definitely not case closed.”...

...In a June 2023 interview with NewsNation, Rubio made a series of startling UFO-related comments. According to Rubio, “smart, educated people with high clearances and very important positions in our government” have informed Congress of the existence of secret UFO programs.

As the documents reveal, Kirkpatrick was taken by surprise by Rubio’s comments. A Senate Intelligence Committee staffer subsequently informed Kirkpatrick that the senior officials described by Rubio were among those who refused to speak to his office.

As Christopher Mellon, the Department of Defense’s former top civilian intelligence official, notes, many UFO whistleblowers do not trust the Pentagon process, preferring to speak to Congress and the intelligence community’s internal watchdog instead.

This puts the Pentagon in a particularly awkward position. If the director of the UFO office was aware that high-level officials alleging the existence of unreported UFO programs refused to speak with him, how can he and his office credibly issue sweeping denials that such programs exist?
 
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I'd like to read the text of the legislation referred to here and will try to find it.




 
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Interesting story in The Hill:

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[...] Notably, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) and the late Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) were not alone in their focus on UFOs. [...]

That seems to be the real news here: That Schumer is indeed infected with the bug, and probably long before Grusch appeared on the scene. It's at least the second article[1] this year heralding that, with an actual clincher being what Schumer tweeted himself back in December:


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[1] (March 20, 2024) UAP advocates rally at Senator Schumer’s Office in New York as efforts mobilize across 45 states
 
Magical Realist:

I have removed the link you posted to the malware site. Don't post that kind of material again.

And here we go again with Dave's sniveling and whining reportings of my posts in the crybabyish attempt to get me infracted and so eventually banned.
You're skating on very thin ice. And I see you've become all fatalistic about it: what will happen will happen. No doubt you (pretend to) believe in the Tarot. You've played your cards. Now you wait.
 
James' typical ad hom of me without any counterargument. It's all he has at this point. Lies and a repetitous litany of childish ad homs.
Uh uh! Naughty Magical Realist!

You have to give up this incorrigible habit of telling outright lies. Or, maybe you just prefer to leave.
 
Great substantial UFO photo archive including latest cases and newsclips/background on the photos. Let's see if Dave can get this website removed. lol!

 
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