UFOs (UAPs): Explanations?

Seattle said:
Brown Mountain lights, is what I was thinking of. Even I don't think whatever was being referred to was a planet.
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Yeah that's James R's go to debunk...the planet Venus. Even though the eyewitness describes the lights as moving and then becoming stationary, and also brightly strobing. I've seen the planet Venus many times, but it doesn't ever move or flash like a strobe.
 
Magical Realist said:
I've seen the planet Venus many times, but it doesn't ever move or flash like a strobe.
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And that's your rule-out is it?

MR: "I, personally, never saw X do Y. Therefore it can't happen.".

Because if "I never saw X do Y" is a valid rule-out then you've singled-handedly debunked all UAP reports anywhere, ever, in one fell stroke. Because you've personally never seen any of these UAPs do anything. Congratulations.

Or perhaps you want to walk that back, and acknowledge that your personal experiences aren't a good yardstick for analyzing phenomena.

It doesn't matter how you respond to this; it will be belligerent and useless anyway. I post this for the benefit of readers interested in the process of rational analysis versus religious fervour.
 
Magical Realist said:
I've seen the planet Venus many times, but it doesn't ever move or flash like a strobe.
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Many years ago a local woman took hand-held video of a UFO in her backyard and sent it to the university, claiming it was a UFO. The astronomy department duly told her that it was the moon. She protested vehemently that she knew the moon when she saw it. The astronomer told her, "Lady, if your camera was pointed where you said it was pointed, the moon WOULD be in your picture."

So... my rule of thumb is, if it moves and/or strobes, it ain't Venus. If it doesn't move or strobe, it might be Venus - but I'd better make damn sure I KNOW where Venus IS before I decide what is an is not Venus.
 
DaveC426913 said:
And that's your rule-out is it?

MR: "I, personally, never saw X do Y. Therefore it can't happen.".

Because if "I never saw X do Y" is a valid rule-out then you've singled-handedly debunked all UAP reports anywhere, ever, in one fell stroke. Because you've personally never seen any of these UAPs do anything. Congratulations.

Or perhaps you want to walk that back, and acknowledge that your personal experiences aren't a good yardstick for analyzing phenomena.

It doesn't matter how you respond to this; it will be belligerent and useless anyway. I post this for the benefit of readers interested in the process of rational analysis versus religious fervour.
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LOL... Such a powerful argument for a moving and strobing Venus. I'm left speechless.:rolleyes:
 
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Seattle said:
Even I don't think whatever was being referred to was a planet.
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You're at least as capable as MR at ruling out a mistaken sighting of Venus or some other planet for this particular case.

Why have neither of you done it, then?
 
Magical Realist said:
Yeah that's James R's go to debunk...the planet Venus.
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In this case, my hunch is the Venus is a prime candidate. There are hints in the report itself that point towards this as a not-unlikely possibility, at least.

You have utterly failed to even attempt to refute that possibility, so far.

Put in some effort, please.
Even though the eyewitness describes the lights as moving and then becoming stationary, and also brightly strobing.
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Eyewitnesses, as you and I know, can be notoriously unreliable.

That's why it's so important to actually put in some effort to try to find some independent confirmation of what they report or, at the very least, to rule out obvious "mundane" explainers.

This report isn't even especially remarkable in its content. It sure reads like a stock standard mistaken planetary sighting.

This could be a pertinent lesson for you not to be so gullible in future. However, it will require you to put in some effort. I sincerely doubt you'll be motivated to do that. After all, you never have before. You're not actually interested in investigating any of this stuff.
I've seen the planet Venus many times, but it doesn't ever move or flash like a strobe.
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Wrong on both counts.
 
Magical Realist said:
Zoomed in planet Venus in the evening sky. At no point is it seen to twinkle, flash, or strobe. James' theory is hereby refuted.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/VHcsPBNdT8M
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Dont be foolish. All you can say is that it didn't do so during that video.

You ought to know that twinkling is a conditional phenomenon, depending on air temperatures and height above horizon.

Either you don't know that, and are thus unqualified to have any opinion on aerial phenomena, or you do know that and are happy to lie about it.

Either way, it is incontrovertible that you cannot be trusted to speak about aerial phenomena.
 
There's no atmospheric conditions that make the planet Venus flash like a strobe. Doesn't happen and never will. You and James are full of BS.
 
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Magical Realist said:
Zoomed in planet Venus in the evening sky. At no point is it seen to twinkle, flash, or strobe. James' theory is hereby refuted.
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1. Did the sighting we are discussing involve "zooming in"?
2. You misunderstand the scientific process. Finding one example of where stars don't twinkle doesn't go very far towards establishing that stars don't twinkle. In fact, twinkling is a well understood phenomenon. You should look it up, including the conditions under which is occurs.

You still haven't checked the position of Venus in the sky. Why not?
 
Magical Realist said:
There's no atmospheric conditions that make the planet Venus flash like a strobe.
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Let's hold that thought then. Once you've checked the position of Venus in the sky, I'll be happy to discuss the apparent strobing, if indeed there was any.
 
DaveC426913 said:
Nope. Who posted it in the UFOs/UAPs thread in the first place?
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I made no claims about it. I simply asked what it was. The onus is on James to show that it is Venus. If not, then claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
 
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