UFOs (UAPs): Explanations?

[paddoboy]

See #4323, #4350. You invariably avoid investigating and dealing with specifics

I neither have the equipement, the position, the time, nor the inkling to investigate that which others better equipped and with a level head have already investigated. My appeal to the authority of science and its practitioners if you will.

of well researched cases that contradict your narrow and highly prejudiced worldview. Same old same old.

I put it to you its actually the other way round....and that is supported [as I mentioned] by previous revelations of your weird beliefs and conspiracy claims, while pretending a scientific background to muddy the waters somewhat. It failed to fool me right from the beginning.

 

[Q-reeus]

I've said nothing about how "unlikely" anything seems. No "paranormal" argument has been put forth for analysis.

You imply 'extremely unlikely' regardless of exact wording. As for 'no paranormal argument presented' - is that a weak joke? Check out my recommended reading for paddoboy in #4379. Let me know when you decide to actually check those out in all seriousness. Not expected.

Now, do you have anything on-topic to contribute? Or is it just ad homs all the way down?

The ad homs regularly come from your side of the divide. And you still don't appear to get it - I have made it clear in many posts now that UFO/UAP activity and Poltergeist activity are two sides of the same coin. And the first linked to for paddoboy's education, in #4323, the Dr X events, neatly contain both.

 

[Q-reeus]

I neither have the equipement, the position, the time, nor the inkling to investigate that which others better equipped and with a level head have already investigated. My appeal to the authority of science and its practitioners if you will.

I put it to you its actually the other way round....and that is supported [as I mentioned] by previous revelations of your weird beliefs and conspiracy claims, while pretending a scientific background to muddy the waters somewhat. It failed to fool me right from the beginning.

Conclusion - you are both too committed to a given position and too lazy to make the effort of seriously evaluating evidence that would overthrow your cozy worldview. As expected.

 

[paddoboy]

Conclusion - you are both too committed to a given position and too lazy to make the effort of seriously evaluating evidence that would overthrow your cozy worldview. As expected.

My cozy world view is logically the view as dictated by the scientific method and mainstream.
Your cozy world view is one laden with imaginary conspiracy allegations, fabricated to add imagined support to your paranormal beliefs.
Bye q-reeus...this is pretty boring you know.

 

[Michael 345]

DaveC426913

In another thread, which I am guessing is now closed you were insulting my socks

You can see how upset my right sock is


Cheers

 

[Q-reeus]

Your cozy world view is one laden with imaginary conspiracy allegations, fabricated to add imagined support to your paranormal beliefs.

Do you ever stop to check whether lines such as above make coherent sense? Clearly not. Nor does it matter here at asylum SF.
Meanwhile, one or two supportive chums of yours pad the pages here with useless drivel. Which foolishness also goes unchecked here at asylum SF.

 

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E you are really labeling them all as either liars or delusional.

If that's what they demonstrate, then that's what they are. Simple really.

I won't bother listing other encounters ...

Go right ahead and list whatever you want, no one cares. All you manage to accomplish is what those others demonstrate.

 

[paddoboy]

Do you ever stop to check whether lines such as above make coherent sense? Clearly not. Nor does it matter here at asylum SF.
Meanwhile, one or two supportive chums of yours pad the pages here with useless drivel. Which foolishness also goes unchecked here at asylum SF.

It not only makes sense, its pretty factual.
You would make a wonderful mod q-reeus...The mind boggles!
In summing, we have none of the required evidence needed to validate any incident of Earth being visited by Alien controlled craft or Aliens, and or any of your paranormal/supernatural imaginings. When you kick the bucket old friend, that's it...sa oti...the end, finito, zilch, nothing!!

 

[paddoboy]

- I have made it clear in many posts now that UFO/UAP activity and Poltergeist activity are two sides of the same coin..

The only thing made clear is your lack of critical thinking, and the disregarding of the many other possible explanations, delusions/illusions/vivid imaginations not being the least of them.
Hollywood/Internet/U Tube has a lot to answer for.

 

[DaveC426913]

You imply 'extremely unlikely' regardless of exact wording.

No. The term was 'more problematic'.

A 'paranormal' explanation must explain everything an 'alien' explanation tries to explain, and must - in addition - go on to explain whatever physics makes it paranormal in the first place.
An alien explanation can at least operate using known laws of nature.
'Paranormal' activity does not enjoy that luxury, and so it must also include that extra mechanism. That's a harder case to make that mere 'aliens'.

That has nothing to do with me or my expectations; that is simple fact.


Now, be civil and argue in good faith if you want to be taken seriously.

As for 'no paranormal argument presented' - is that a weak joke? Check out my recommended reading for paddoboy in #4379. Let me know when you decide to actually check those out in all seriousness. Not expected.

Nor should it be expected. That's not how debates go.

Start a new thread about a paranormal explanation for UFOs. This thread is about space aliens. You are only shooting yourself in the foot by diluting your message in a different issue. (I'm trying to help you.)

Make your argument in that thread. You may refer to published materials tp support your claims if you like, but the onus is not on anyone else to do homework to help you defend your claim.

 

[paddoboy]

A 'paranormal' explanation must explain everything an 'alien' explanation tries to explain, and must - in addition - go on to explain whatever physics makes it paranormal in the first place.
An alien explanation can at least operate using known laws of nature.
'Paranormal' activity does not enjoy that luxury, and so it must also include that extra mechanism. That's a harder case to make that mere 'aliens'.

That has nothing to do with me or my expectations; that is simple fact.

Exactly my thoughts, and yes, logical in the extreme.
Off Earth intelligent life, most probably exists somewhere, sometime. Most all scientists accept that due the the near infinite extent of the universe, and the near infinite content, along with the stuff of life being everywhere we look.
The uncertain question though is whether any of that extra terrestrial life has ever visited Earth. We lack the required evidence to support that extraordinary scenario.

On the other hand, dragging in paranormal/supernatural, unscientific myth, that has no basis in science or physics or reality, is well, more religious then the scientific nature of extra terrestrial beings which are within the realm of scientific theory and discussion.

Excellent and valid point you have made there Dave.

 

[Q-reeus]

If that's what they demonstrate, then that's what they are. Simple really....

IF. That little word with a big meaning. So you go ahead and make a definitive judgement. Were they all liars or delusional? Detail exactly why. Which implies you have watched the entire vid and taken careful notes throughout.

 

[Q-reeus]

In summing, we have none of the required evidence needed to validate any incident of Earth being visited by Alien controlled craft or Aliens, and or any of your paranormal/supernatural imaginings.

Correction. You and ilk here refuse to accept good evidence. In fact you refuse to even examine it for the most part. Foolishly passing judgement nevertheless.

When you kick the bucket old friend, that's it...sa oti...the end, finito, zilch, nothing!!

And where did afterlife musings enter except your judgemental insertion right there?

 

[Q-reeus]

A 'paranormal' explanation must explain everything an 'alien' explanation tries to explain,...

Wrong. Paranormal phenomena doesn't have to deal with light speed limitations coupled with vast distances and the various hazards along the long trip 'aliens' would have to face.

and must - in addition - go on to explain whatever physics makes it paranormal in the first place.

Wrong again. The physics is clearly unknown to humans but the evidence for paranormal phenomena is copious. Your lot refuse to accept it or even study it. Not 'scientific' enough.

An alien explanation can at least operate using known laws of nature.
'Paranormal' activity does not enjoy that luxury, and so it must also include that extra mechanism. That's a harder case to make that mere 'aliens'.

See above. It happens. Period.

Now, be civil and argue in good faith if you want to be taken seriously.

That kind of hypocrite baiting is not being serious.

Start a new thread about a paranormal explanation for UFOs. This thread is about space aliens. You are only shooting yourself in the foot by diluting your message in a different issue. (I'm trying to help you.)

And I have been for a long time here pointed to just why imo 'space aliens' are really paranormal manifestations by entities evidently domiciled in some other realm of existence.
It is perfectly correct to argue right here what is the true nature of 'space aliens'. You don't get to dictate what I can and can't do.

 

[paddoboy]

Correction. You and ilk here refuse to accept good evidence. In fact you refuse to even examine it for the most part. Foolishly passing judgement nevertheless.

Stop being so obtuse. It's evidence OK of something, but not good enough to "conclusively" claim the extraordinary. Get it?

And where did afterlife musings enter except your judgemental insertion right there?

Ghosts, paranormal and the supernatural, naturally brings in mythical imaginations of an afterlife, that you like to imagine.

 

[Q-reeus]

On the other hand, dragging in paranormal/supernatural, unscientific myth, that has no basis in science or physics or reality, is well, more religious then the scientific nature of extra terrestrial beings which are within the realm of scientific theory and discussion.

Or so proclaims 'the great' paddoboy. Hahaha.

 

[paddoboy]

Or so proclaims 'the great' paddoboy. Hahaha.

Thank you, but actually just plain old common sense, without being roped by gullibility or personal desire.

 

[Q-reeus]

Stop being so obtuse. It's evidence OK of something, but not good enough to "conclusively" claim the extraordinary. Get it?

Even in the hard sciences any claim of certainty is frowned upon. All knowledge is provisional except perhaps rigorous mathematical proofs. Evidence for the paranormal is quite strong but prejudiced types cannot admit that for generally ideological commitment reasons.

Ghosts, paranormal and the supernatural, naturally brings in mythical imaginations of an afterlife, that you like to imagine.

You claim to be a mind reader now? Apart from dealing with your insertion of it in above post, I have NEVER discussed anything about an afterlife per se my entire time this forum. You seem to claim otherwise.
Point to any past post of mine backing your assertion or retract!

 

[DaveC426913]

Wrong. Paranormal phenomena doesn't have to deal with light speed limitations coupled with vast distances and the various hazards along the long trip

Neither do aliens.

You are presuming they had to have came from light years away. Remember, just a short while ago when you accused others of presuming to know the machinations and motivations of aliens? Don't.

Wrong again. The physics is clearly unknown to humans but the evidence for paranormal phenomena is copious.

Until there's physics to back it up, 'paranormal explanations' are simply conjecture.

The term is a placeholder for the 'unknown'. '' It literally means "something currently beyond our understanding but we don't know what (however, nothing is ruled out yet.)"

See above. It happens. Period.

Except you can't even define what "it" is, so that's a content-free claim.

It is probably a collection of bad photography, dad data, misidentification, power of suggestion and fraud. In which case, I totally agree with you. It happens. Period.

You currently have no proof otherwise. Not until you have a testable physical model.


We know for a fact that living beings can fly around in spaceships and land on Earth. Unlike 'paranormals', there is no unexplained physics that need to be invented just to explain how it is physically possible. Though 'aliens' stretches credibility as an explanation (for reasons that also apply to paranormals), it is not actually impossible using known, understood physics. Not so for 'paranormals'.

So again, your idea requires even more extraordinary explanations than aliens.

You don't get to dictate what I can and can't do.

That is certainly true.

All I get to do, as I said, is say 'avoid ad homs and argue in good faith if you want to be taken seriously'.

 

[Q-reeus]

Neither do aliens.

You are presuming they had to have came from light years away. Remember, just a short while ago when you accused others of presuming to know the machinations and motivations of aliens? Don't.



Until there's physics to back it up, 'paranormal explanations' are simply conjecture.

The term is a placeholder for the 'unknown'. '' It literally means "something currently beyond our understanding but we don't know what (however, nothing is ruled out yet.)"


Except you can't even define what "it" is, so that's a content-free claim.

It is probably a collection of bad photography, misidentification, power of suggestion and fraud. And you currently have proof otherwise.


We know for a fact that living beings can fly around in spaceships and land on Earth. Unlike 'paranormals', there is no unexplained physics that need to be invented just to explain how it is physically possible. Though 'aliens' stretches credibility as an explanation (for reasons that also apply to paranormals), it is not actually impossible using known, understood physics. Not so for 'paranormals'.

So again, your idea requires even more extraordinary explanations than aliens.



That is certainly true.

All I get to do, as I said, is say 'avoid ad homs and argue in good faith if you want to be taken seriously'.

All your points, all your claims are empty. You pass judgement yet have clearly not studied the articles & vid I have linked to recently. Therefore tiresome and futile to go on refuting your nonsequiturs.