UFOs (UAPs): Explanations?

[Q-reeus]

Didn't I say I wasn't sure? Did any of them claim extra terrestrial beings, or some paranormal activity, or just plain old mundane UFO or UAP? So we are back where we started.

No. You are post adding extra criteria lacking in your earlier statements. From #4301 again:

Ask yourself a reasonable question....Astronomers spend their life looking at the skys with state of the art instruments...we never hear of reports from those people...well generally speaking. I do recall one case.

And I gave a link to where many reports of non-mundane objects were made by many astronomers over many years. Live with it.

Obfuscating by declaring it isn't valid to critically ask why they don't make their imagined visitations official, after a 100 years or so of sightings, is a forlorn attempt to tie and gag me.

You again make an invalid judgement. Read and try to understand what I wrote in #4301. The historical record of non-mundane UAP events shows a familiar pattern - strange displays that amuse and bemuse etc., never openly making public contact. How has that clear observation of the historical record in any way 'tied and gagged' you. Nonsense.

PS - 'Contact' events like the one in Zimbabwe back in 1994:
https://www.thinkanomalous.com/ariel-ufo.html
I exclude such as the humanoids encountered have the form already known to the general public via Spielberg movies etc. I consider them as deceptive manifestations. In that respect, the movie Communion does a good job where Whitley Strieber's alleged contact with 'aliens' has him concluding 'they' always 'wear masks' i.e. never reveal there true form.

 

[paddoboy]

No. You are post adding extra criteria lacking in your earlier statements. From #4301 again:

Non mundane objects? sure, but that in no way infers extra terrestrial or extra terrestrial piloted craft. I've made my position clear many many times, and that position is the one governed by the logic that such incredible extraordinary claims, require incredible extraordinary evidence, otherwise they remain simply as UFO's and/or UAP's. You need to live with that, without indulging in inferences to silly supernatural and/or paranormal activity/sightings.

And I gave a link to where many reports of non-mundane objects were made by many astronomers over many years. Live with it.

I'm quite comfortably living with it, just as I comfortably live with the fact that non mundane does not mean or is evidence for UFO's as piloted or controlled by little green or purple men. Nor anything far more sillier like paranormal events.

You again make an invalid judgement. Read and try to understand what I wrote in #4301. The historical record of non-mundane UAP events shows a familiar pattern - strange displays that amuse and bemuse etc., never openly making public contact. How has that clear observation of the historical record in any way 'tied and gagged' you. Nonsense.

No, I make a totally valid judgement which is why don't these Aliens make themselves known.
As far as the far sillier claim/inference of paranormal/supernatural, then that is unscientific nonsense fit for the cesspool.

 

[Q-reeus]

...As far as the far sillier claim/inference of paranormal/supernatural, then that is unscientific nonsense fit for the cesspool.

That is purely your uneducated biased opinion. I doubt it will change your very limited thinking, but I suggest actually reading all of the content in these two articles:
http://www.aime-michel.fr/the-strange-case-of-dr-x/
http://www.aime-michel.fr/the-strange-case-of-dr-x-part-2/
There is a lot more to reality than what committed materialists are prepared to acknowledge.

 

[paddoboy]

That is purely your uneducated biased opinion. I doubt it will change your very limited thinking, but I suggest actually reading all of the content in these two articles:
http://www.aime-michel.fr/the-strange-case-of-dr-x/
http://www.aime-michel.fr/the-strange-case-of-dr-x-part-2/
There is a lot more to reality than what committed materialists are prepared to acknowledge.

I'll live with the prospect that one of us has certainly made his bias, along with his belief in other nutty conspiracies well known.
Education of course is another issue...Some great minds [please don't confuse yourself with that] have had less then logical beliefs...The Pope probably went to Uni...I didn't But my logic certainly aligns reasonably well with the scientific methodology and all that it has achieved for us.

 

[paddoboy]

Now the valid question is again unanswered and out there for all the proponents of Alien piloted UFO's and claims of paranormal and supernatural nonsense to answer.
Why after all these years, have these imagined Aliens, not made official contact? They would really have nothing to fear from a race lower then their imagined own intelligence.
Are they after some of Earth's resources? Why? Everything on Earth is available throughout the solar system and beyond!

The most likely scenario of course is that they are not Aliens! Probably some trickery of light or even unknown atmospheric phenomena...or a faulty imaginative gullible mind!
Any extra terrestrial life, intelligent or otherwise that does exist somewhere, is probably beyond our contactable range and probes, and of course the scientific facts re time and distances being great barriers, is always there.

 

[river]

paddoboy said: ↑
...As far as the far sillier claim/inference of paranormal/supernatural, then that is unscientific nonsense fit for the cesspool.

That is purely your uneducated biased opinion. I doubt it will change your very limited thinking, but I suggest actually reading all of the content in these two articles:
http://www.aime-michel.fr/the-strange-case-of-dr-x/
http://www.aime-michel.fr/the-strange-case-of-dr-x-part-2/
There is a lot more to reality than what committed materialists are prepared to acknowledge.

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Agreed

 

[paddoboy]

 

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[river]

The propaganda machine has certainly worked well pad . You chose to deny even with full evidence presented .

 

[paddoboy]

The propaganda machine has certainly worked well pad . You chose to deny even with full evidence presented .

What evidence? how about atmospheric disturbances? Mirages? a gullible mind? Trickery of light?
Again extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence...understand river? show me a body..show me some Alien artifact...show me some Alien excreta...show me an Alien spaceship...show me your favoured anti gravity machine.
Don't give me your one-liner ignorant nonsense about conspiracies river...show me the extraordinary evidence.
You cant without some silly conspiracy propaganda river to bolster your mythical claim/s. And that's why the vast majority of cosmologists. astronomers, scientists accept the fact that they [a small percenatge] are simply unidentifiable at this time.

ps: You do understand and comprehend river that unidentifiable does not mean of Alien origin?

 

[river]

What evidence? how about atmospheric disturbances? Mirages? a gullible mind? Trickery of light?
Again extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence...understand river? show me a body..show me some Alien artifact...show me some Alien excreta...show me an Alien spaceship...show me your favoured anti gravity machine.
Don't give me your one-liner ignorant nonsense about conspiracies river...show me the extraordinary evidence.
You cant without some silly conspiracy propaganda river to bolster your mythical claim/s. And that's why the vast majority of cosmologists. astronomers, scientists accept the fact that they [a small percenatge] are simply unidentifiable at this time.

ps: You do understand and comprehend river that unidentifiable does not mean of Alien origin?

I find you worse than Gullible , you can't even see the Truth when it is presented to you .

 

[paddoboy]

I find you worse than Gullible , you can't even see the Truth when it is presented to you .

What truth is this river?
C'mon, now's your chance to provide some content to your generally contentless posts...where's the extraordinary evidence river, the Alien body river, the Alien excrete river, the Alien artifact river, the Alien spaceship river, the anti gravity machine river...just one of those will do river, oh and some links river, and no lies river, and no conspiracy propaganda river, just scientific fact river.
Or is this gullibility of yours, more akin to your claims of atomic war on Mars between Alien species river, or poison water river, or a Moon that does not rotate river.

 

[river]

What truth is this river?
C'mon, now's your chance to provide some content to your generally contentless posts...where's the extraordinary evidence river, the Alien body river, the Alien excrete river, the Alien artifact river, the Alien spaceship river, the anti gravity machine river...just one of those will do river, oh and some links river, and no lies river, and no conspiracy propaganda river, just scientific fact river.
Or is this gullibility of yours, more akin to your claims of atomic war on Mars between Alien species river, or poison water river, or a Moon that does not rotate river.

Yeah pad but you don't seem to understand , comprehend , the evidence given to you .

 

[paddoboy]

Yeah pad but you don't seem to understand , comprehend , the evidence given to you .

I'm waiting river.

 

[paddoboy]

“Never attribute to malevolence that which can best be explained by incompetence."--Greenfield's First Law of Political Analysis.”
― Jeff Greenfield

 

[paddoboy]

“Proven conspiracies very often involve a banality and institutional disorganization that is conspicuously missing from the average conspiracy theory, in which countless numbers of conspirators from multiple organizations are able to march in evil lockstep ad infinitum.”
― Chris Fleming, Modern Conspiracy: The Importance of Being Paranoid

 

[wegs]

Nor did I say you said it did.

Okay, glad we got that out of the way.

At times, when someone replies online in a way that seems to answer a question I wasn't asking (and never intended to), I assume that it's to correct my line of thinking. I understand that such a leap can lead to wrong assumptions.

 

[paddoboy]

I assume that it's to correct my line of thinking. I understand that such a leap can lead to wrong assumptions.

Dave was [as you realise] correcting the line of thinking, that some seem to adhere to, when they see the UFO acronym and automatically, and ignorantly, assume Alien/s.
The small percentage that remain unknown are just that, unknown and unidentified...trickery of light, atmospheric conditions, mirages, vivid imaginations and gullibility, or even Aliens.
And then anyone who points that out, are then confronted with imagined mainstream conspiracies...the only card/joker they have left in the pack, as dishonest as it is.
Like I said way back wegs, I have been witnessed to a UFO...and it remains that, unidentified.

 

[river]

Dave was [as you realise] correcting the line of thinking, that some seem to adhere to, when they see the UFO acronym and automatically, and ignorantly, assume Alien/s.
The small percentage that remain unknown are just that, unknown and unidentified...trickery of light, atmospheric conditions, mirages, vivid imaginations and gullibility, or even Aliens.
And then anyone who points that out, are then confronted with imagined mainstream conspiracies...the only card/joker they have left in the pack, as dishonest as it is.
Like I said way back wegs, I have been witnessed to a UFO...and it remains that, unidentified.

True

Its these Air Space Crafts Manuoverability , and Acceleration and Speeds that makes UFO's Real .

 

[paddoboy]

True

Its these Air Space Crafts Manuoverability , and Acceleration and Speeds that makes UFO's Real .

Yep, real but unidentified....and of course the so called imagined manuoverability, can be also put down to illusions, mirages, mind tricks and gullibility, atmospheric disturbances, light trickery, or perhaps Aliens. That's what most people have been trying to tell you river.