Trump 2.0

We’d need to adopt the Euro. But short of rejoining we could rejoin the Single Market. After all, the Brexshitters originally promised us we could stay in that. It was only later that the idea was hijacked by Rees Mogg - and that Einsteinian intellect Mark Gino François and his mates in the ironically named European Research Group - so that we were frogmarched out of that too.
They may change their mind if Trump gives away Ukraine then tries to force Europe /NATO to agree to it AND police it.
We are stronger together dealing as a block economically with the US.
Security wise? A strange situation because our former biggest alli has air bases, navel bases, newks, forces in Europe and on UK soil (31 total according to a Reddit map) We used to call it "the West."
 
They may change their mind if Trump gives away Ukraine then tries to force Europe /NATO to agree to it AND police it.
We are stronger together dealing as a block economically with the US.
Security wise? A strange situation because our former biggest alli has air bases, navel bases, newks, forces in Europe and on UK soil (31 total according to a Reddit map) We used to call it "the West."
Возможно теперь Европа поймёт, что её главными союзниками должны стать её собственные армия и флот.
 
They should offer USA a path to associate membership.
:)
"In order to apply for EU membership, a country has to be European and respect the EU's democratic values. It also needs stable institutions guaranteeing democracy and the rule of law" - https://www.europarl.europa.eu/topi...4113/enlargement-how-do-countries-join-the-eu

Of those 3 things, it is not European, does not seem to respect the EU's democratic values, and is showing signs that it does not have stable institutions guaranteeing democracy and rule of law. So, I'm going to go with "Things that are impossible, for $200, please, Ken"
 
I was told to put you on ignore.
I would rather not do that.
Hopefully you will not pollute this thread with distractions.

Let's me see if I understand this: First, you pitch a screeching, nonsensical, escalating fit—

Why is my input important?
Have you been in these countries? Worked there?Just curious
So

i will ask you again.

Have you worked in these countries?
Have you had a machine gun stuck in your face?
Don't EVER speak to me like that again you fucking twat.
Hard man. Really. Don't do it.
Do NOT directly post to me. You got that?

—and now, after saying things like↑, "Don't EVER speak to me like that again you fucking twat," and, "Have you had a machine gun stuck in your face?" and demanding↑, "Do NOT directly post to me. You got that?" now you want me to answer you according to your satisfaction?

How is it you think you can behave that way? It's one thing if you don't want me to directly post to you, again, but that's not something you get to turn on and off like a light switch or faucet.

And striking that tone, after the whatnot about machine guns and twattery?

Once↗ again↑, the spectacle is the distraction is the point.

People ARE having conversations, some of the guys are agreeing, some are not, that is what happens in a sincere conversation.
Most are adding to the body of evidence and events as they happen.

The difference between a crumple zone and a shatter zone is a fine discussion, but, like you said, "this is Trump 2.0 and THAT is the focus".

Kind of like the sidebar about British certificates.

Look, our neighbor, Seattle, isn't new. Neither is Billvon. For those who aren't new, Billvon's question about cars with spikes is approximately on par with an old firearms discussion in which the gun lobby never has answered the question about how to drive an AR-15 to work, or write a grocery list with a handgun. That is to say, it's a kind of discussion accommodating cynical, even craven insincerity.

And, sure, it's worth wondering if such conversations stand out in a particular way. It's not that he's somehow wrong to ask; rather, the need to consider the discussion at that level is itself significant.

Sometimes I can only reiterate what I have posted before↑, such as considering Sartre. If Seattle "has chosen to devaluate words and reasons","has placed himself on other ground", "lends himself but does not give himself", and "tries simply to project his intuitive certainty onto the plane of discourse", we should "never believe [he is] completely unaware of the absurdity of [his] replies". People who behave like that "know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge", "but they are amusing themselves" because "they delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert".

And if "it is not that they are afraid of being convinced," but, rather, "they fear only to appear ridiculous or to prejudice by their embarrassment their hope of winning over some third person to their side", the part where we wonder who those third persons are is as straightforward as it is subtle.

Trump is kind of a happening guy.

Inasmuch as timing is everything, you really hit your mark, there.

Meanwhile, it's true, one of the more complicated liberal discussions in recent years is a struggle to comprehend incuriosity.

What do you think Tiassa?
I know this contradicts previous statements by me but what the hell.
This is Trump 2.0 and THAT is the focus.

I think you might have a point: Both the noisy lack of focus, in general, and the raging arrogance beyond caricature, in particular, seem quite characteristic of the Trump 2.0 zeitgeist, i.e., "This is Trump 2.0 and THAT is the focus".
 
Advocating for the murder of other public figures is dangerous and will not be tolerated on sciforums. Don't post this sort of thing again.
Just stick to Trump, what he is saying and doing.
The post originally referenced was alluding to the "need" for a "conversation" explaining why the administrative state is necessary--particularly with respect to needing regulations and suchlike which expressly prohibit Mad Max-esque spiked cars. That is very much relevant to Trump.

This is where I differ greatly from many/most modern leftists and left-leaning folks. Suppose someone asks the following question:

"Why do we need speed limits and traffic lights?"

If that question is coming from a 7 or 8 year old kid, then it warrants a sincere, patient and thorough response. It's a fair question, coming from a little kid.

If that question is coming from a presumably semi-intelligent adult (Trump, Musk, the GOP, certain posters here), that person doesn't need a sincere response, i.e., "conversation", that person needs a bullet in their skull--and that is not hyperbole. Such persons are dangerous, antisocial, legitimate existential threats, and they ought be treated accordingly--and I can guarantee you that a lot of people will suffer and/or die needlessly as a consequence of eliminating or disrupting the administrative state. That's my justification for such an assertion.

That probably sounds heavy-handed, or a bit much, to some. To them I say, Seriously? We pay taxes to murder random kids in orphanages and at weddings in Afghanistan: I can confidently say that they (random kids) "deserve" to die far less than any of these fuckers--and this is nothing to do with "deserving" or not; it's a matter of necessity for survival. And then I'll post another page from Art Spiegelman's Maus, or some such shit. There's a reason that we study history. If we're not gonna learn shit from it, then why bother?

 
And, sure, it's worth wondering if such conversations stand out in a particular way. It's not that he's somehow wrong to ask; rather, the need to consider the discussion at that level is itself significant.
Welllll... I don't know. I guess it depends upon what one intends by "wrong".

I suppose, by the same token, I'm not "wrong" in suggesting that such persons simply need to die. I don't really care how they accomplish this, whether it's self-inflicted or in a shoot-out with their buddies or whatever, I just think it's imperative that they do.
 
Parsimony and Parsnips

In the US, at least, bad faith actors range from ....

In the moment I'm recalling a bit of Sufi advice and arrogance, that Sufi teaching stories should never be taken superficially; while there is value in the face value of a story, they pretend there is greater meaning to be discovered.

It's like, I know we were just on about cars, but the range of bad faith actors in the U.S looms like a shadow of pestilence.

†​

Irony: Back in the day, when truckers would talk about ambulance-chasing lawyers, the tale inevitably involved carloads of "Mexican illegal aliens" as an explanation of why you should make sure to kill 'em when you hit 'em, or else you're going to pay for a bunch of illegals for the rest of your life. Bad faith. Driving. Immigration.

We Americans have a phrase, "criminal aliens", and it remains unclear whether our international neighbors understand the problem with the phrase.

Also, TheVat↑ recently wondered about "ordinary conversations". Here's an approximately ordinary conversation:

Middle-Roader: But you have to admit, they need to do something about the criminal aliens.

Response: That's the thing, though. That phrase, "criminal aliens," isn't real.

MidRoad: What do you mean it isn't real?

Response: Well, think about when you're accused of a crime, or even just get a traffic ticket. What happens?

MidRoad: What, you mean like going to court, going on trial?

Response: Yes, but then, the judge: Where does the judge come from?

MidRoad: What do you mean, where―?

Response: How does a judge get his job?

MidRoad: What, they're appointed and confirmed. Some are elected.

Response: And how do they lose their job?

MidRoad: Impeachment. Some are just voted out in the next election.

Response: If "criminal aliens" committed a crime, why do they not have access to the courts where we try crimes?

MidRoad: What? What do you mean?

Response: Immigration judges are under executive purview, they're part of the Department of Justice. That is to say, they're not part of the judiciary. And now a president asserts to fire them for political reasons. If undocumented migrants were criminals, they would be tried by the judiciary instead of processsed by DoJ. If undocumented criminals were criminals, they would have the right to an attorney. So, like the other day, when the Homeland Secretary did his little bit about the first crime, that was a federal official lying. Ironically, by the Secretary's definition, Elon Musk is a criminal. Should Musk have his day in the judiciary, or be processed and deported by DoJ?

Hint: It's not ordinary; rarely are such converations so straightforward. There is nothing the Response has said that is inaccurate; the only question for the Middle-Roader is one of satisfaction. Even at this point, the whole conversation can go sideways. Many totally notaracist people still sputter and try to parse between the worthiness they imagine of an Elon Musk and all those shady catchall "Mexicans" they keep hearing about.

But it's true, even an Obama-appointed immigration judge ruled that a three year-old was not entitled to a lawyer because, at that age, he was perfectly capable of representing himself in court.

Well, we have to do something! people protest, and to the one, are they sure about that; to the other, why do people say that about bad ideas? Remember, an efficient, well-funded, well-staffed bureaucracy is not what the complaint against migration is about. We have to do something? Okay, let's do something useful.

And would that be an ordinary conversation, or extraordinary?

Meanwhile, what makes the sample conversation seem extraordinary is the number of places it can run awry: How many middle-roaders are actually going to say, "What do you mean it isn't real", or "you mean like going to court, going on trial", i.e., how many will actually do that part in good faith?

And around here, at that?

Also, as to the midroad part: If there seems a strange naïveté about it, we need to think of two versions of the Middle-Roader. The character depicted above is apparently uninformed or somehow not aware, and we presume the role to be in good faith. Other players might be less inclined to acknowledge reality. "What do you mean it isn't real"? It is more likely we would encounter cynicism, anger, and accusation in the Middle-Roader's response, than the wide-eyed good faith depicted above.

And if even the well-intended can run awry, some part of that is in the narrative context. We have to do something? Why is the only something we can do tyrannical, dangerous, uninformed, and impossible?

Then again, vis à vis the inclination to parse on behalf of an Elon Musk or Jonathan Rowan, compared to some imagined Mexican bogeyman, the idea that the stalled Bush bill Congress still pretends about was a bad bill in the first place might seem light-years away. Still, compared to talk about anchor babies and the Fourteenth Amendment, razor wire in the river, Republicans refusing their own bill in order to complain of a crisis, and the conservative roll on the role of local law enforcement in immigration, the naïve middle-roader is a most curious creature. And while we can easily grasp that international neighbors are not necessarily going to understand the subtlety of this stupidity, we can, at home, say what we will and usually do about young American voters, but that wouldn't explain the breadth and depth of newness permeating our discourse.

That's a lot of turnip trucks. How do we have hunger in this country with so many vegetables to spare?

At some point, compared to what well-intended who fell off which, and when, parsimony really does wonder about bad faith.

Or, as Ockham said, "At least my garden grows." Oh, wait, that wasn't Ockham.

 
Don't worry, all you non-resident non-citizens! Your prayers have been answered.
For the low low price of just $5m you can get a "gold card" - which gives you residency and a fast-track to citizenship.

 
Don't worry, all you non-resident non-citizens! Your prayers have been answered.
For the low low price of just $5m you can get a "gold card" - which gives you residency and a fast-track to citizenship.

Ideal for the Russian oligarchs in Putin's circle.
 
Despite our political differences, I’m sure we’re all very happy that the racist Joy Reid has been fired from MSNBC…

Hooray!!!!
 
Despite our political differences, I’m sure we’re all very happy that the racist Joy Reid has been fired from MSNBC…

Hooray!!!!
Can you please provide evidence of one racist thing that Joy Reid has said or done? If not, you should apologise for the false accusation.
Or are you simply parroting Trump's line and projecting, rejoicing when a liberal voice that speaks against him is cancelled?
 
Don't worry, all you non-resident non-citizens! Your prayers have been answered.
For the low low price of just $5m you can get a "gold card" - which gives you residency and a fast-track to citizenship.
Think of the opportunities for organized crime figures like MS-13 lieutenants!
 
Recently, live on Fox News, AG Pam Bondi stated that the Epstein files were "on her desk" pending review. Remember, these are the files that may very well tie Trump into the sordid world of Epstein beyond what even the public are currently aware of. So some of the GOP members of Congress have been asking for files to be released, and Bondi is stonewalling.
Additionally, an FBI whistleblower is claiming that the FBI have been deleting many files since Kash Patel took over, including those linked to Epstein.
 
Ideal for the Russian oligarchs in Putin's circle.

Some people would do anything for one of those gold cards:
On Tuesday, Russian President Vladimir Putin said he was open to offering the US access to rare minerals, including from Russian-occupied regions of Ukraine, and asserted that his country had "significantly more resources of this kind than Ukraine".

Ukraine and its European allies have become increasingly alarmed over a recent thaw in US-Russian ties, including their bilateral talks in Saudi Arabia last week.

 
The slow but seemingly incessant removal of any dissenting voice in the US media is sad to witness.
 
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