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ольга said:
А что Европа покупает у Китая? Китайское же всё очень низкокачественное. Их продукция для бедных стран, с низким уровнем доходов у населения. Их товары не выдерживают конкуренции качеством, и берут только дешевизной. Или Европа что то продаёт Китаю?
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European Union Imports from China - 2025 Data 2026 Forecast 2000-2022 Historical

European Union Imports from China was US$657.32 Billion during 2022, according to the United Nations COMTRADE database on international trade. European Union Imports from China - data, historical chart and statistics - was last updated on April of 2025.
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Sarkus said:

European Union Imports from China - 2025 Data 2026 Forecast 2000-2022 Historical

European Union Imports from China was US$657.32 Billion during 2022, according to the United Nations COMTRADE database on international trade. European Union Imports from China - data, historical chart and statistics - was last updated on April of 2025.
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А что именно Европа покупает у Китая? Что такое есть в Китае, чего нельзя было бы производить в Европе?
 
scorpius said:
https://www.rt.com/news/612960-musk-doge-trillions-gap-treasury/

About that Ukronazi shtshow heres the facts from frm UN nuke weapons inspector
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You know Ritter is a convicted pedophile, right? And propagandist (regular contributor to RT, a state sponsored Russian propaganda outlet, among other pro-Russia activities)? Please try to pay attention to where you are sourcing your information.
 
ольга said:
А что именно Европа покупает у Китая? Что такое есть в Китае, чего нельзя было бы производить в Европе?
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Europe imports general categories of items from China like machinery and equipment, electronic technology that includes computers, and furniture, bedding, lighting, signs & prefabricated buildings.
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ольга said:
А что именно Европа покупает у Китая? Что такое есть в Китае, чего нельзя было бы производить в Европе?
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Most of global trade is made up of 2 things:
1. things which the importing country does not have (e.g. raw materials)
2. things which the exporting country can do cheaper for the required quality

China has some raw materials that the EU doesn't, but mostly they are very good at producing goods that people want at a very cheap price.
The goods may not be as good quality as those built within the EU, but the lack of quality is, for the average person, more than offset by the cheap price. Why pay €60k for an electric car from BMW when you can buy one that is 80% as good but for only 60% of the price? And if the EU tried to build a car only as 80% as good, it would cost 80% of the BMW, not 60%.

How can China do this? Much cheaper labour, and cheap raw material.
They have historically lacked the expertise, but they are catching up very quickly. Their cars from even just a few years ago were, frankly, awful, but now are really quite not-bad. It's about value proposition - how much you're prepared to pay for the quality you get. China are very good at lower-quality but far lower price, and so the overall value proposition is higher.

If the EU could produce the same goods at the same value proposition (quality v price), they would. But they can't.

Hope that makes sense to you.
 
C C said:
Europe imports general categories of items from China like machinery and equipment, electronic technology that includes computers, and furniture, bedding, lighting, signs & prefabricated buildings.
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Неужели Европа не может всё это производить сама? Зачем отдавать кому то свои рынки добровольно?
 
exchemist said:
If Putin gets his way in Ukraine and Netanyahu gets his way, with Trump's connivance, in ethnically cleaning and taking over the Gaza Strip, Xi will be wondering whether the Trump era is the time to take Taiwan. That will put Trump on the spot.
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If a trade war heats up, Xi will mos def want to grab Taiwan and gain control of their chip production. US industry is very dependent on Taiwan-made chips. El Douche is playing some very stupid games of chicken.
 
Sarkus said:
Most of global trade is made up of 2 things:
1. things which the importing country does not have (e.g. raw materials)
2. things which the exporting country can do cheaper for the required quality

China has some raw materials that the EU doesn't, but mostly they are very good at producing goods that people want at a very cheap price.
The goods may not be as good quality as those built within the EU, but the lack of quality is, for the average person, more than offset by the cheap price. Why pay €60k for an electric car from BMW when you can buy one that is 80% as good but for only 60% of the price? And if the EU tried to build a car only as 80% as good, it would cost 80% of the BMW, not 60%.

How can China do this? Much cheaper labour, and cheap raw material.
They have historically lacked the expertise, but they are catching up very quickly. Their cars from even just a few years ago were, frankly, awful, but now are really quite not-bad. It's about value proposition - how much you're prepared to pay for the quality you get. China are very good at lower-quality but far lower price, and so the overall value proposition is higher.

If the EU could produce the same goods at the same value proposition (quality v price), they would. But they can't.

Hope that makes sense to you.
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Но это же делает Европу зависимой. Вы хотите повторить ошибки России, экономика которой превратилась в сырьевой придаток? Так у Европы и сырья то не слишком много - чем зарабатывать будете, когда Китай вытеснит всех ваших местных производителей?
 
Sarkus said:
Most of global trade is made up of 2 things:
1. things which the importing country does not have (e.g. raw materials)
2. things which the exporting country can do cheaper for the required quality

China has some raw materials that the EU doesn't, but mostly they are very good at producing goods that people want at a very cheap price.
The goods may not be as good quality as those built within the EU, but the lack of quality is, for the average person, more than offset by the cheap price. Why pay €60k for an electric car from BMW when you can buy one that is 80% as good but for only 60% of the price? And if the EU tried to build a car only as 80% as good, it would cost 80% of the BMW, not 60%.

How can China do this? Much cheaper labour, and cheap raw material.
They have historically lacked the expertise, but they are catching up very quickly. Their cars from even just a few years ago were, frankly, awful, but now are really quite not-bad. It's about value proposition - how much you're prepared to pay for the quality you get. China are very good at lower-quality but far lower price, and so the overall value proposition is higher.

If the EU could produce the same goods at the same value proposition (quality v price), they would. But they can't.

Hope that makes sense to you.
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It's also in many cases not that the Chinese can't make the same quality product (unless there is some proprietary tech involved) but we hold them to a lower profit margin so they can't have the same level of quality control or finishing work done.

If Gibson (guitar) opened a plant in China and sent their manager over and had the same standards they have here, they would get the same product and a guitar would cost $1,500 instead of $3,000. That's not generally what companies do. They expect a $500 guitar and therefore their isn't the same room for more quality control and finishing work.

PRS, for example, goes to China and Indonesia with their SE line and they allow for higher margins and sell for a higher price in the US and they are great.
 
ольга said:
Но это же делает Европу зависимой. Вы хотите повторить ошибки России, экономика которой превратилась в сырьевой придаток? Так у Европы и сырья то не слишком много - чем зарабатывать будете, когда Китай вытеснит всех ваших местных производителей?
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I have no issue with being dependent on another country for energy, or food, or cheap goods. It is hopefully out interdependencies that keep us out of war, and help us prosper as a species, rather than the tribal isolationist tendencies of a few dictators that upset things to satisfy their own personal ego.
 
Seattle said:
It's also in many cases not that the Chinese can't make the same quality product (unless there is some proprietary tech involved) but we hold them to a lower profit margin so they can't have the same level of quality control or finishing work done.

If Gibson (guitar) opened a plant in China and sent their manager over and had the same standards they have here, they would get the same product and a guitar would cost $1,500 instead of $3,000. That's not generally what companies do. They expect a $500 guitar and therefore their isn't the same room for more quality control and finishing work.

PRS, for example, goes to China and Indonesia with their SE line and they allow for higher margins and sell for a higher price in the US and they are great.
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Это называется "жить одним днём". Знаете притчу, как поймали обезьяну? Приковали кувшин к стене и положили в него яблоко. Обезьяна увидела яблоко, руку засунула, схватила, а вытащить обратно с яблоком не может. И яблоко бросить жалко, и рука с яблоком не вылазит. Так и попалась. Не уподобляйтесь той обезьяне. Не продавайте своё будущее ради сиюминутной прибыли.
 
Sarkus said:
I have no issue with being dependent on another country for energy, or food, or cheap goods. It is hopefully out interdependencies that keep us out of war, and help us prosper as a species, rather than the tribal isolationist tendencies of a few dictators that upset things to satisfy their own personal ego.
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Вы это сейчас серьёзно? Как можно хотеть зависеть от кого то в сфере продовольственной безопасности? Любая зависимость делает вас слабыми. Слабых бьют. Право сильного ещё никто не отменял. Вы слишком хорошо думаете о современном мире, если думаете, что это не так.
 
Seattle said:
It's also in many cases not that the Chinese can't make the same quality product (unless there is some proprietary tech involved) but we hold them to a lower profit margin so they can't have the same level of quality control or finishing work done.
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I don't think we hold them to low profit margins, rather they are willing to go that cheap, and the consumers are willing to accept the poorer quality because of the value proposition.
Seattle said:
If Gibson (guitar) opened a plant in China and sent their manager over and had the same standards they have here, they would get the same product and a guitar would cost $1,500 instead of $3,000. That's not generally what companies do. They expect a $500 guitar and therefore their isn't the same room for more quality control and finishing work.
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I don't agree. A business will generally locate their manufacturing where they can get the products they want, at the quality they want, for the cheapest they can get, taking into account the tariffs, taxes, shipping, hassle etc.
So if Gibson could get exactly the same quality at half the cost (all those other costs/factors included) then they would. The reason they don't is either due to those costs/tariffs, or because they place a value on intangibles such as "made in USA".

China can and do make quality items, and do so much cheaper than elsewhere. But their forte is in producing goods of lesser quality but at a much better value proposition for the consumer.
They want goods to be mass produced, so that they can employ as many people as possible. If they can turn a niche expensive item into a much cheaper and much more widespread one by cutting corners and quality to the point where that market opens up, they will. And they'll undercut their competitors to do so, even after tariffs etc.

It's not really because people expect the goods to be of crap quality, but because the cheaper they are, the more they are wanted and the more will be employed. They want to mass-produce everything they can, so that demand goes up and people continue to want them.

That's how I see it, anyway.
 
ольга said:
Вы это сейчас серьёзно? Как можно хотеть зависеть от кого то в сфере продовольственной безопасности? Любая зависимость делает вас слабыми. Слабых бьют. Право сильного ещё никто не отменял. Вы слишком хорошо думаете о современном мире, если думаете, что это не так.
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Yes, I'm serious. I'm not saying that the world is currently in a place where I would not prefer security of such resources, but I'm a globalist, not a nationalist or isolationist. If my food depends upon my neighbour, and we are friends, what do I have to worry about? And if it relies on my enemies then I'll find some new friends. If I can't find any other friends then maybe the problem is me. ;) But the ideal is that there are interdependencies that help build and maintain friendship.
I'm also old enough not to particularly care about "weak" and "strong", only what's right or wrong, and how I treat people.
 
Musk's latest comments relate to sending everyone a $5k check after he runs it by Trump.:)
It's good PR and bad policy.

It's good PR in the sense that it gets buy in on cutting expenses. There are more people who would receive checks than there are people who are losing their government jobs.

The idea is to cut waste and then "reward" the people. It's bad policy because the people have already "benefited" from the "waste" and now it's time to pay for it. That was the whole point, to pay down the debt.

Sending everyone a check doesn't pay down the debt. Even worse, it's inflationary and inflation is already a problem. Even worse than that is that with inflation any benefit from the cost cutting is outweighed by inflation increasing the public debt interest payments.

This was what was wrong with Biden's policies. He sent everyone a check, inflation came and then he started spending even more with the American Family Act and the infrastructure bills, etc. It was the wrong policy at the wrong time.

Musk and his $5k check is the same. Not to mention that the $5k figure is based on cutting $2 trillion in waste and he can't get there just by cutting government jobs.

At some point Social Security, Medicare, and the military budget have to be addressed.

Transparency is good though and eventually that's what is needed to reduce the debt. If everyone's taxes went up with every policy announced, there would be far fewer new programs with no feedback loop. As it is, there is no reason to ever do anything but spend.
 
Sarkus said:
Yes, I'm serious. I'm not saying that the world is currently in a place where I would not prefer security of such resources, but I'm a globalist, not a nationalist or isolationist. If my food depends upon my neighbour, and we are friends, what do I have to worry about? And if it relies on my enemies then I'll find some new friends. If I can't find any other friends then maybe the problem is me. ;) But the ideal is that there are interdependencies that help build and maintain friendship.
I'm also old enough not to particularly care about "weak" and "strong", only what's right or wrong, and how I treat people.
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Романтизм, это хорошо, но в нашем мире не работает. По крайней мере в экономике и политике не работает. Китай всё делает последовательно: сначала он уберёт конкурентов, займёт их ниши на рынке, а затем вы станете ему не нужны. Зачем кормить посредников? Он и сам может продавать свои товары. Как легко плюют на законы и правила, вы уже сейчас можете наблюдать. Правила устанавливают сильные, а не хорошие.
 
ольга said:
Романтизм, это хорошо, но в нашем мире не работает. По крайней мере в экономике и политике не работает. Китай всё делает последовательно: сначала он уберёт конкурентов, займёт их ниши на рынке, а затем вы станете ему не нужны. Зачем кормить посредников? Он и сам может продавать свои товары. Как легко плюют на законы и правила, вы уже сейчас можете наблюдать. Правила устанавливают сильные, а не хорошие.
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There has to be an ideal to aim for, or all you're doing is circling a drain, waiting for everything to disappear. But, as I said, I'm old enough that I'm not fussed what China does. I'll adjust and adapt in the few decades I have left. As will society, whichever way it goes, and it will continue to do okay as long as those changes are gradual enough. problems might arise with abrupt changes, when dictators try to upturn global systems, but other than that, nah, I'm not worried.
 
Sarkus said:
There has to be an ideal to aim for, or all you're doing is circling a drain, waiting for everything to disappear. But, as I said, I'm old enough that I'm not fussed what China does. I'll adjust and adapt in the few decades I have left. As will society, whichever way it goes, and it will continue to do okay as long as those changes are gradual enough. problems might arise with abrupt changes, when dictators try to upturn global systems, but other than that, nah, I'm not worried.
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Мир сейчас меняется стремительно. Несколько десятилетий - это очень много. Посмотрите, как всего за несколько десятилетий Китай из отсталой феодальной страны превратился в сильную державу со второй экономикой в мире, со вполне реальной перспективой стать первой. Вы готовы жить под коммунистами? Сумеете ли вы к этому адаптироваться?
 
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