Revenge is usually a bad move. Best to just try and make it fair. :shrug:
Too white to study medicine
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I was talking exactly about how to make the system fair - by creating equality of opportunity. And not about revenge.
Or were you agreeing with me?
WillNever
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Ugly people are at a systemic disadvantage in competing for hiring, training, and promotion too. So are short people. Bald men as well. Not to mention fat people. Maybe more more people who are ugly, short, fat or bald should be admitted to medical school based on their appearances, in order to make the system fairer.
WillNever
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In correcting social injustices, a lot of us are opposed only at efforts which end up as "zero sum." Correcting injustice is fine, but not when you're hurting the chances of others in order to do it, as this med school admission surely does.
Ugly people are at a systemic disadvantage in competing for hiring, training, and promotion too. So are short people. Bald men as well. Not to mention fat people. Maybe more more people who are ugly, short, fat or bald should be admitted to medical school based on their appearances, in order to make the system fairer.
If ugly, short, fat people are being denied entrance to medical school based on their appearance then sure - more should be admitted to make the system fairer.
The original injustice was zero-sum in the other direction. See?
By being a citizen, she has to do with it.
By being a citizen of a country, one agrees to the laws, norms and everything else that goes on in that country, and to take the legally provided course of action if one desires change.
People tend to refuse to be blind to differences in race, culture or nationality.
For example, some black people refuse to visit a white doctor.
If the University is working with a quota system for admissions, and this system is legally approved in said country, then this is the legal and obligatory system that she agrees to as a citizen of said country.
WillNever
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Let's use shortness as our prime example. Shortness is easily measured and categorized. It's much more easily categorized than race and skin color, truth be told. And it is well known that short people tend to suffer professionally as a result of their external appearance. They're at an automatic disadvantage in relationships with other people and professional interviews for medical school are included in that. Now, how come I don't see anyone on this board supporting a policy which requires medical schools give preference toward shorter people in order to combat "tall privilege?" That seems no less sound than giving preference toward black people in order to combat white privilege. So why aren't people here fighting as ardently for that? Well? Let's hear it.
No, I don't. It was zero sum for a a different age group. The current generation of *qualified* black med school applicants probably haven't been hurt by "the original injustice." So it makes no sense for them to benefit from a windfall, when they weren't the ones who were impacted. The only people who should benefit from that are those who were directly hurt by prior institutional racism, which would probably be their parents.
Is the current quota system
a reflection of affirmative action in order to remedy old injustices,
or is it a reflection of SA's current multi-ratial, multi-cultural situation where each group demands equal rights and respect?
WillNever
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I'm not sure, but look up something called the "Truth and Reconciliation Commission" of South Africa. It was a commission designed to reverse previous wrongs by offering monetary restoration to victims of apartheid while offering amnesty to those who were accused of oppressing the victims, including the Boers. Make sure to read about the commission's faults and why it ultimately failed as well. It ultimately had to be discontinued due to the victims abusing it.
Hmm
1. How did she mistakenly give a wrong race identification?
2. Why did the head of the academic administration call to "confirm" her race?
3. Yeah affirmative action and the quota system sucks. But its a small suck compared to centuries of enslavement and chronic abuse and its not going to be resolved in a New York minute
You should see how the Brahmins receive it in India - students have set themselves on fire and made the front page with gruesome demonstrations of their protest against "discrimination"
Not the descrimination. It ended before she was born, and well before she could even vote.
Because it means GOING FORWARD no one will be discriminated against.
Very simply, deal with meaningful reparations to those who were hurt, but the way forward should not perpetuate institutional discrimination.
Well what is clear, is descriminating against a different group of people doesn't solve anything. Indeed the people you tend to descriminate against aren't the ones who had anything to do with the original issue, as is the case here.
Really?
Should we tell everyone to STFU about Israel and Palestine, since none of us live there?
Should Trippy limit his comments to what happens in New Zealand?
Bells to Australia?
SAM to India?
She should apply outside her country - move and never come back. SA is fucked.
Yet some groups are more equal than others.
Apartheid was also legal and obligatory.
That depends, if you think that those with a lower GPA (i.e - less qualified) should get the position just because of an accident of birth (i.e. - the color of their skin), then NO, we are not in agreement.
If you become the monster you are trying to replace, then you are no better than they were.
How should they improve the education system?
Perhaps by making all-black, all-white, all-Indian etc. universities?