Vociferous
Valued Senior Member
Again, tea in China. Connect a few of these random dots.
You're deflecting from your lack of refute.
The Mueller investigation.
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Write4U
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Oh I have given many examples of refutation of the Trump presidency. You just refuse to learn, due to your totally misplaced trust in a con-artist. He is taking your taxes and then asking you to send in more to support his presidency.
Don't take my word for it. Read the man's history. Please, for all our sakes.
Write4U
Valued Senior Member
Unfortunately it does for Vociferous, as he has clearly demonstrated.
Vociferous
Valued Senior Member
I don't trust any politician, and didn't vote for Trump. I evaluate any politician on the record of what he/she has actually done, and Trump didn't sell me on his pre-presidency accomplishments. But since then he has, and I will be voting for Trump in 2020. Only delusion denies the objective improvement in the US. You might attribute that to Obama, but unless you could reelect him, you have no reason to believe anyone else could do better. But you're voting your ideology, not reality.
Nope, just more of the crap you have to tell yourself to maintain your warped view of reality.
"Random dots" = "women who have credibly accused Trump of rape?" If that's the case, I imagine you are praying that no one ever connects the dots.
Vociferous
Valued Senior Member
False dilemma, as "all women" don't need to be lying for all accusing one man to be. And credibility is determined by the courts in criminal cases. Presuming credibility is likely an ideological bias.
?? We are talking about women who have credibly accused Trump of rape. That's why I used the term "all the women" and not "all women."
TDS getting to you, eh? You used to make more sense than this.
Vociferous
Valued Senior Member
Again, credibility is determined by the courts in criminal cases. Presuming credibility is likely an ideological bias.
Yes, "all the women" who make accusations against one person can be lying. Rather trivially so. One anecdotal event does nothing to change that.
Write4U
Valued Senior Member
Well here is a dose of reality and hope that you will be spared from the consequences.
The best health care in the world, huh?
Ask anyone why Trump dismantled the CDC and we are now the last country to respond to a world pandemic?
The best education in the world, huh?
Ask anyone why we are 27 th in education in the world?
The largest national debt of all countries in the history of the world, huh?
Ask anyone why the US citizens owe most of the National debt, which benefits the rich. Capitalism! Also known as "Corporate Welfare"
https://www.thebalance.com/who-owns-the-u-s-national-debt-3306124
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Vague public accusation, which is what Comey was reduced to in light of the paucity of evidence and dubious nature of the investigation, is often sufficient in politics. That is especially the case if it's well-timed - just before the critical vote in an election, say, so that the accused has no time to respond or the facts time to come out.
Comey did what he could get away with, damaging Clinton as much as he could without risking serious revenge upon her elevation to the Presidency, protecting the Republican Party's electoral prospects (by keeping the continuing and far more serious investigation into Trump's behaviors secret).
Write4U
Valued Senior Member
So Trump is not a sexual predator? I think he confessed to it himself, if I recall. Or is that not a crime?
More...?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump
And you like this president, huh? That's the best the US has to offer, huh? A real example of a civilized nation, huh?
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That silly fiction is indeed a common belief of Trump supporters - Trump is also a response to Obama being a secret Muslim, unusually arrogant and elitist, despising and hating white people, being born in Kenya, and so forth.
The only feature of Obama that Trump supporters proclaim they are not responding to, when they cheer and vote for Trump, is the fact that he is black. They proclaim their lack of concern for that over and over, every chance they get, loudly and repeatedly. It's always on their mind.
The cherry on top is that the people "responding" to Obama like that take continual offense at merely imagining being called dumb, ignorant, and bigoted.
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Broad context, as in the scope of activity that Trump’s agents engaged in to extort a foreign government into investigating a political rival for his own personal gain. Trump ad nauseam refers to his “perfect phone call” as his sole part in the military aid for political dirt scheme, and implores everyone not to look more broadly at what was going on behind the scenes, which is exactly what all of the Senate Republicans, save that leftist Mitt Romney, chose to echo as well. And the criminal charges that could have been leveled against Trump in the impeachment articles were left out because they weren’t necessary for impeachment, but could still be brought to bear in the courts when his term is over.
So I guess in your bizaro world there was no reason to investigate the evidence of Russian election interference, and links between Trump campaign members and Russian operatives. Apparently the whole investigation was fueled by the imaginations of a bunch of leftists US justice officials who enjoy masquerading as Republicans. And that leftist in Republican drag Robert Mueller didn’t believe it was up to him to prosecute Trump’s potential criminal activity that was cited in his report, he thought that should be left up to congress through impeachment, or the criminal courts when he leaves office.
Mulvaney didn’t just say that Trump was flawed, he said he was a terrible human being. Mulvaney said he decided to support a terrible human being because he would rubber stamp his political agenda. If sundowner Joe will support my political agenda, I’m willing to pull a Mulvaney and give a flawed human being my vote in order to remove a terrible one from the White House.
The mental acuity of this terrible human being.
This study sides with Ron Jr.’s version of events.
Ronald Reagan's Speech Patterns May Reveal Early Signs Of Alzheimer's Disease
https://www.medicaldaily.com/ronald...-reveal-early-signs-alzheimers-disease-328050
More like sharp as a wet noodle according to this account by Lesley Stahl.
"Reagan didn't seem to know who I was. He gave me a distant look with those milky eyes and shook my hand weakly. Oh, my, he's gonzo, I thought. I have to go out on the lawn tonight and tell my countrymen that the president of the United States is a doddering space cadet."
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...hen-did-reagans-first-signs-alzheimers-appear
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if you honestly believe that you are objectively speaking a moron. there has not been an objective improvement in the us under trump. the only concrete things we can attribute to him and his actions have only been negative. actually we have every reason to believe just about anyone could do better, trump is exactly what he has always been. a self serving con man. and your are willing believing the con for ideological insanity. we are voting reality you are voting ideology.
Nope. You are making things up again. No US court has ever found someone "credible."
Only for people who cannot think on their own.
People who are not trying to blindly defend a politician evaluate whether someone is credible or not based on their statements, the corroborating information and their history of veracity.
As every serial rapist, ever, has claimed. Again, it's starting to not work as well as it once did. Witness Harvey Weinstein.
Vociferous
Valued Senior Member
The reality is that most Americans know the House impeachment was a farce. Not only did the Ukrainian officials deny any pressure from Trump at all, the Congressional Republicans now hold a higher public approval rating than Congressional Democrats. That tells us that more Americans approved of their handling of the trial than the Democrat's half-assed and transparently partisan impeachment efforts. There were no criminal charges because they obviously didn't even have the goods on the non-criminal articles. And most Americans know that. Too bad you seem to live in a little bubble where such facts can't reach you.
Everyone was on board with investigating Russian election interference. Just not the Obama admin targeting a political rival (Trump campaign), which the Democrats then projected on Trump without any substantiation but hearsay and opinion. One of those supposed "Russian operatives" (Carter Page) has been proven to have been a CIA source. And let's not forget that the years of Mueller's investigation returned nothing actionable against Trump at all. If there were something worth impeaching there, why didn't Democrats do it then? Because they're not morons and know when they've got nothing. They only seem to have risked it over Ukraine in an attempt to shield Biden, now their favored nominee.
And? A lot of people, myself included, thought Trump was a morally bankrupt, possible con man prior to the 2016 election. There were a lot more never-Trump Republicans around then. Dredging up obsolete opinions from 2016 isn't exactly relevant now.
The difference is that most never-Trumpers in 2016 didn't support him. But you're happily admitting to knowingly supporting an obviously senile candidate.
If you think mispronouncing words compares, you haven't been paying attention.
Lots of qualifying "may" in that study. And even if so, no where near as obvious to everyone as Biden's. But you have to find something to justify you're support of Biden. The problem being that Reagan had already been reelected. That wasn't happening leading up to his election.
No, leftists just confuse "objective" for their own little bubble. Every metric of the economy has objectively improved, and it takes pure delusion to deny that fact.
Vociferous
Valued Senior Member
Straw man. Never said the court found someone credible. Credibility is just subjective and meaningless until supporting evidence is weighed.
Oh, you mean like the public approval of Congressional Republicans being higher than of Congressional Democrats after the impeachment trial? Those people "evaluate whether someone is credible or not based on their statements, the corroborating information and their history of veracity", right? And when Trump wins, those votes will be another evaluation of his credibility, right?
Not that you'd ever have the integrity to admit it.
Again, one anecdote doesn't change the fact.
Write4U
Valued Senior Member
Do tell why that money was held up. Or do you deny that it was placed on hold.
Vociferous
Valued Senior Member
The Ukrainian officials all say they were not aware of any delay, so it's irrelevant to the question of anyone being or feeling pressured to do anything. See how that works?
Write4U
Valued Senior Member
Give me break, man!
300 million dollars arranged to be delivered on a date certain, approved by congress and signed by the treasury, very official with dated signatures and receipts. And you dare tell me when that 300 million dollars didn't show up on the doorstep, there was no one who asked, "does anybody know if that money has arrived yet?".
No one noticed, unimportant chump change we didn't really need in our time of war anyway.
Who in hell do you think you're fooling? This is becoming to transparent. If you want to con somebody, go deal with some old ladies and try to hold up their SS check, so they cannot go to the supermarket to buy food for their cat!
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