Based on the direction of this discussion, there is a hidden source of smoke and mirrors at a play here. There is often a difference between what is legal; right by secular standards, and what is morally right; right by moral standards. It is legal to declare bankruptcy, based on secular laws. The Bankruptcies of Trump are legal actions that are written in secular legal code.
Many people on the left are being led not to look at his bankruptcies through the eyes of legal secular law. Rather they are told to look at these actions through the eyes of religious morality. They say that his actions impacted others; lost jobs, and therefore one may question his moral legitimacy. This is fine.
However, if one prefers to use the laws of morality, instead of use secular law to judge Trump, one needs to realize that abortion and homosexuality are also considered suspect in the eyes of moral law. These, like bankruptcy, are totally legal in terms of secular law. However, they are not accepted by all, due to a conflict with traditional moral laws. The Democrat party propaganda is deliberately confusing these two separate standards. It is a magic trick that fools their base.
Do you really think any of that makes sense? Trump's bankruptcies spanning 2 decades challenge Trump's assertion that he is a great and successful businessman. That has nothing to do with the morality of or legality of his bankruptcies. It goes to his competency and qualification to become for the highest office in the land.
What we need to do go through all the charges and scandals for both candidates and judge Hillary and Trump, by only secular law. Then we do the same thing by only moral law; one law set at the time. This is a better way to clearly define character in both systems of judgment.
OK. You cannot multitask? Who writes these laws you keep referring to, especially the moral laws?
Trump is not overly religious and has been called a progressive by conservatives. He plays more by the rules of secular law, while living and working through a liberal state; NY. If you judge his speech and actions by secular law, he is not being illegal.
Except there are many of examples of where The Donald has violated secular laws, e.g. most recently his charitable foundation.
If there was a problem with Trump's tax returns, the Obama Justice department would have already been all over him.
It's not Obama's Justice Department. That's not how our government works and if you have a grade school education, you should know that. Virtually all of the Justice Department employees are career civil servants. There actions are governed by law and not by presidential fiat. The people making these decisions are career civil servants not political appointees. That's one of the things that separates the US from banana republics.
The IRS is currently auditing The Donald or so he says. Have you not been paying attention? Did you not hear that The Donald illegally used his charitable foundation to illegally make campaign donations? Two, there is a mistaken belief in right wing circles that you can go to jail for not paying your taxes. That's not true. It has never been true. You can go to jail for not filing your taxes or falsifying your tax returns. The government won't throw you in jail for not paying your taxes.
Obama has already shown his willingness to use the IRS against the Tea Party; political enemies. Obama has many loyal party operatives working in the IRS, who did not get punished last time, who could easily get access Trump's tax returns on the IRS servers; inside hacking. His 1995 returns were illegally leaked to the NY times. Who in the IRS did this?
Well then perhaps you can provide some evidence of same? Where is the evidence Obama demonstrated his willingness to use the IRS against the Tea Party? You have none, because it never happened. Your assertion is one of the millions of right wing fictions which are promulgated every day in right wing circles. But that doesn't make them true.
This particular fiction was extensively investigated by congressional Republicans and much to their chagrin they found absolutely nothing to support your assertion.
The Democrats do not leak all his returns, even though they have them, because there is nothing illegal; secular laws, being found by Democratic party lawyers, who are clandestinely working on this for the Democratic party. Hillary and her campaign already have copies so they can plan strategy. Hillary prefers stick to the moral law angle, and challenge him to show his returns, using smoke and mirrors, since the lawyers are not finding anything, illegal enough, to take him out.
Again, you are just making stuff up as American right wingers are wont to do. You have no evidence Democrats even have his returns. If Democrats had The Donald's tax returns, they wouldn't need to ask him for them. Why would The Donald refuse to release his tax returns if Democrats had them? If what you assert were true, it would be to The Donald's advantage to release his tax returns. But he hasn't.
And you are missing the point as American right wingers are wont to do. The issue with Trump's tax returns isn't their legality or veracity. It's about Trump's competency and veracity. Is Trump the successful business man he proclaims to be? Is Trump as competent as he represents himself to be? Releasing Trump's tax returns also exposes Trump's conflicts of interests. What little is known about Trump's business dealings is that he does have some if not many conflicts of interests.
Here is the problem Wellwisher, you have absoutely no evidence to support your many political machinations, and that should be a problem for you and your Republican, i.e. so called "conservative" cohorts, but it isn't. You should ask yourself why instead of inventing new conspiracies to explain away your errors of fact and reason.
The reason Democrats want The Donald to release his tax returns is because they want transparency. They want to see if The Donald really is what he claims to be. They want to see what conflicts of interest he has. There is only one office in the land which doesn't require the occupant to disclose his or her conflicts of interest and that is the presidency. But every candidate for POTUS for more than a half century has publicly disclosed their tax returns except The Donald. Why?
What is The Donald hiding? What is it The Donald doesn't want people to know? That's why Democrats want The Donald to disclose his tax returns. That has absolutely nothing to do with statutory or moral laws. It has everything to do with transparency and truthfulness. And thus far The Donald has refused be transparent and truthful. That's not a problem for the Republican base, folks like yourself. But it is a problem for folks who are not a part of the Republican base, and the Republican base represents only a minority of Americans.
