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Skeptic finds 4 year Bigfoot project "intriguing"
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Bells
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I asked about this earlier as well. Yet to be answered.
Are you thereby saying that no Bigfoot has ever watched Star Wars? It should be easy enough for them to sneak in to a theatre given their stealth capabilities. Also it makes sense to me that they'd empathize with Chewie since he's a skinnier version of them.
I'd like to propose the idea that the Bigfoot society is secretly part of an intergalactic smuggling ring. It makes sooo much sense.
Well, of course they try, but they always get kicked out of the theater once they start whooping and chattering and throwing rocks at the screen.
Then what is really needed to find Bigfoot is movie ushers! Get on it Todd Standing and the rest of you 'squatch hoaxers... I mean hunters...
"Hey you! What do you think you're doing? Movie is eight bucks."
"I'm not just trying to sneak in! I'm hunting Bigfoot."
Yes! Exactly! All it says is "we/I dont know".
~~~And as we wolf call, it is common to get responses from other critters including owls, bear, bobcat, geese and swans. Again, we do not know if we have documented all the calls of the wild and correctly put them with the proper animal. Therefore one cannot assign a recording of a scream/howl out in the mountains of somewhere as a bigfoot. It can only be described as unknown.~~~
What completely escapes you is that many of the unknown wildlife recordings (you refer to as bigfoot) do not exhibit the normal territorial responses by other known wildlife. Even the wildlife have no clue as to what the hell that is. So they keep silent. There is no way I would believe for one second, the wildlife itself hasnt heard of bigfoot (if they exist).
OK there is confusion here. That was a video which I did not watch until just now. And I am unimpressed with his opinion. Being fluent in russian does not give him the ability to determine whether its a bigfoot or grizzley or black bear chatter. It only gives him the ability to determine whether its russian or something else.
~~~Capt. Scott Nelson, Professor of Fine Arts and Humanities, teaches many interesting subjects at Wentworth Military College to include Russian Language, Philosophy, Ethics and Logic. Capt. Nelson also has some interesting hobbies. Last night he was featured on KCTV5 in their “Faces of Kansas City” Series.~~~
Link one you skipped. And thats the one I was referring to when I said Show me where they say this is a bigfoot.
http://www.bigfootencounters.com/biology/kirlin.htm
Which doesnt change the fact I cannot listen to them.
I said I wasnt As Skeptical as some. I have not mocked you once. I told you I simply do not know. It is possible that a 7-9 foot creature is lurking around out there that hasnt been proven to exist yet. But each year that passes by, with as much attention as has been drawn to this, and how many gun toting wannabe's are roaming in 'bigfoot country', in plenty of places that havent passed a law protecting them (which means its open season) I grow increasingly skeptical of its existence. It would clearly be worth a Great sum of money to possess this evidence.
I dont agree that you weigh it against any possibility that it has an established explanation. You want it to be true; bigfoot exists.
Great video here. You tube listing indicates Near Clipper Mills Ca. One of my favorite clips because of the humans involved:
However a quick search of wildlife santuaries near Clipper mills Ca reveals the Barry Kirshner Wildlife foundation.
http://kirshner.org/
Now the people in the video do not give a location. Nor do they say what lake they were headed for. But we have a huge reservoir nearby and a wildlife santuary with big cats. Listen to him talking to his wife. He brings up bigfoot. Their dogs are silently listening. But we hear him talking about "thats a dog there". Hes messing with his wife. He knows what it is and isnt telling her. His dogs dont know what it is so they are quiet. He even tries to get his own dogs worked up but they aint talking. A local dog shouts out his territory. Like I said with my own wolf experiences.
Why bring this up? In Sandstone MN is a wildcat sanctuary with lots of hunters nearby. There have been reports from approx (up to) 10 miles away of Lions. Hunters hearing lions. They are right. They are hearing lions but its from the sanctuary. Thats how far sound will travel.... but we dont really know how far he is from the actual publicly acknowledged sanctuary. And we dont know how many Kirshner associated animals are being held in non-public locations. Lack of space, temperament conflicts, private ownership/grandparented... or just unlicensed. And it is california with a whole bunch of people making money supplying animals for movies. Privately held animals, not zoo animals. Reasonable explanations for his (video) pointing out multiple locations.
I have never liked the way the head looks. Almost the shape of a russian rabbit fur hat. And the way the hair is sooo long and then soo short around the nose/below the eye. The belly/side appears bald/short hair and the boobs are hairy, even underneath? Plus they dont seem to be in the right location. Too Low.
From wiki:
~~The Bigfoot researchers say that no human can walk that way in the film. Oh, yes they can! When you're wearing long clown's feet, you can't place the ball of your foot down first. You have to put your foot down flat. Otherwise, you'll stumble. Another thing, when you put on the gorilla head, you can only turn your head maybe a quarter of the way. And to look behind you, you've got to turn your head and your shoulders and your hips. Plus, the shoulder pads in the suit are in the way of the jaw. That's why the Bigfoot turns and looks the way he does in the film. He has to twist his entire upper body.~~
Others have pointed out an apparent herniated muscle in the leg. OK, I can see what some of them are talking about. So where is the limp or short step accommodation on that side? Is it possibly a wardrobe malfunction instead?
So yes I am skeptical of the Patterson film. I dont know if its real or fake but I have a few questions for sure.
I find it entertaining that he has continued to evade the question as to why nobody who has witnessed a "Bigfoot Burial" hasn't simply dug up the body and brought it back to present one of the greatest scientific finds of all time... it's almost like he knows he can't give a good answer to it...
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It's not just that.
There is yet to be a discovery of a bigfoot skeleton anywhere.
People who claim bigfoot exist are also unable to ever give an epoch of when they or their ancestors would have migrated into Asia and then through to North America. The thing with hominid migration is that we are able to track it. We know there were hominid species that existed in Asia and Northern Asia and we know this because many who are from the Asia Pacific region carry that DNA. Plus, we have also discovered their tools, bone fragments and other evidence that they existed there. We also know that the only ape that migrated into North America and migrated South over thousands of years have been Homo sapiens. There has never, ever, been any other hominid species or ape species to have made that migration all those tens of thousands of years ago. We know this because there has never once been any evidence of it. There are no bones, not evidence of the ancient tools they would have used, no sign of settlements. Nothing at all.
So people who claim bigfoot exist, that they use tools and that it is a hominid.. But they are still using tools from the time our early ancestors were just out of the trees in Africa - they haven't evolved at all...
There has never even been any evidence of any hominid existing or ape, with feet that size (from the so called casts taken), of that size and strength (pushing over large trees), not in Africa, North Africa, the Middle East, Europe, Asia or North and South America or Australia and the Pacific. Not once. No bone fragments, nothing at all.
We are expected to believe that a hominid species has suddenly come into being, with no ancestors whatsoever anywhere, in North America, which are still using stone tools, and are so few and far between that they are never seen. It does not make sense. When would they have migrated into North America? 60,000 years ago at around the time where an ice bridge existed and around the same time that homo sapiens migrated? How are they still hairy and ape like, yet hominid species of the homo genus have lost all of that bodily hair (the images and videos people "post" show something that has more body hair than a gorilla). And how have they not evolved at all in regards to their use of tools? Hominids like Homo erectus used more sophisticated tools and are believed to have had a form of language or capability of making sounds within the range of Homo sapiens. Yet here is bigfoot, according to bigfoot researchers, making sounds that exist outside of the human vocal range? How exactly does this make sense? So where on the evolutionary tree of hominids does bigfoot fit in? And how has it managed to survive when the more numerous species like neanderthals became extinct? And if they somehow predate all hominid species that somehow or other magically migrated out of Africa without leaving a trace of their existence anywhere and somehow or other made it into North America with all of their fur intact, how have they not evolved when all other species evolved?
And how is it possible that there is not a single bone fragment that would indicate bigfoot exists? Not from what would have been its migration out of Africa and through Asia and into the Americas. Nothing. Not one. Nothing in caves where early hominids camped in and we know they did because we found their bone fragments and fragments of their tools. Nothing at all. And they do not resemble with any of the known species. Certainly not by size - from height and weight described by those who have allegedly seen them, and not at all by the size of their feet.
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Magical Realist
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Skeptic says the original film doesn't exist. I guess he never asked Patterson's wife about it. Here's an expert analysis of the original footage and what they found. This is not even to mention the obvious breasts that have been discovered on the creature, indicating a female. Who puts breasts on a monkey suit just to fake a Bigfoot? Nobody. The film is obviously of a real Bigfoot.
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Magical Realist
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The 10 foot tall Gigantopithecus existed and all the evidence we have of it existing are some teeth. I think you greatly overestimate the ability of prehistoric bones to defy decay and get preserved in some fossilization process. Fossilized bones are very rare, but that is because the fossilization process is so rare, not necessarily the creatures to whom they belonged.
And here I thought you've been trying to trick everyone into believing that Bigfoot is a modern-day creature.
You don't need to worry about "fossilization" in a creature that's just recently been buried by other Bigfoots. Unless the bodies evaporate?
Magical Realist
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Where did I say that? And what's a "modern-day creature"? Any primate would have taken millions of years to evolve just like us.
I'm not worried about fossilization at all for a creature that appears to still exist in the flesh.
Bells
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Ah yes.. Gigantopithecus..
There are several findings for Gigantopithecus. They believe that the Chinese ground their fossilised teeth and bones and consumed them.
We also know they have been extinct for at the very least, 100,000 years. Well before Homo sapiens migrated into North America. And once again, there is no evidence of them ever having been in America. At all.
We also do not know how it walked, with many scientists believing they moved about like modern day gorillas and chimpanzees, mostly on all fours. Then of course comes the fact that they existed in the tropical areas of Asia, which the wilds of the US is not.
And they are extinct. There is no evidence they even existed when Homo sapiens migrated into Asia. They suspect that they might have existed when Homo erectus migrated into Asia, but they did die out and no longer exist.
So I fail to see how it could be an ape that is known to be long extinct. There is also no evidence that they used tools.
Let alone remain hidden, with no remains or any trace of them ever found.
Yet nobody has ever found any remains of these creatures. Ever.
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