Skeptic finds 4 year Bigfoot project "intriguing"

[Daecon]

What's a "modern-day creature"?

A creature that appears to still exist in the flesh.

You answered your own question.

 

[Kittamaru]

Skeptic says the original film doesn't exist. I guess he never asked Patterson's wife about it. Here's an expert analysis of the original footage and what they found.

"Expert" analysis...

This is not even to mention the obvious breasts that have been discovered on the creature, indicating a female. Who puts breasts on a monkey suit just to fake a Bigfoot? Nobody.

Prove it - back your claim that nobody has ever put breasts on a monkey suit.

The film is obviously of a real Bigfoot.

Prove it.

 

[Kittamaru]

The 10 foot tall Gigantopithecus existed and all the evidence we have of it existing are some teeth. I think you greatly overestimate the ability of prehistoric bones to defy decay and get preserved in some fossilization process. Fossilized bones are very rare, but that is because the fossilization process is so rare, not necessarily the creatures to whom they belonged.

So... bigfoot is prehistoric now? Interesting... then your videos of Bigfoot are, quite obviously, faked, simply because we did not have video cameras in prehistoric times!

Or, are you trying to LIE and DECEIVE again, claiming on one hand that nobody has recovered Bigfoot bones because they are prehistoric whilst also claiming that Bigfoot is alive and well and has been video taped today?

Or, are you attempting to DECEIVE by throwing out the information on Gigantopithecus, knowing full well it is entirely irrelevant to the discussion at hand?

Your choice, MR...

 

[Bells]

Where did I say that? And what's a "modern-day creature"? Any primate would have taken millions of years to evolve just like us.

And you are saying that these primates with humanoid feet, never evolved at all.

If they had evolved, there would be evidence of it.

There is none.

I'm not worried about fossilization at all for a creature that appears to still exist in the flesh.

Then prove it.

Show us DNA, hair samples that point to an unknown giant species of primate, apparently living in the American mountains undetected for tens of thousands of years without leaving a trace they are there. This is supposedly a primitive creature, that's still shitting in the woods and eating nuts and it seems, not living in any form of built shelter at all (even in mountain ranges where there is snow), but is apparently savvy enough to evade satellite, helicopters flying over head, planes flying overhead, cameras, people searching for them and apparently clever enough to secretly bury their dead so that people cannot prove they exist.

 

[Kristoffer]

Maybe the Bigfoot society has a deal with the aliens to keep us filthy humans in the dark.

 

[Magical Realist]

Yet nobody has ever found any remains of these creatures. Ever.

We don't need to find the remains of a living creature to prove it exists.

 

[Kristoffer]

It certainly helps. Wishful thinking is not proof.

 

[Magical Realist]

And you are saying that these primates with humanoid feet, never evolved at all.

If they had evolved, there would be evidence of it.

There is none.

Plenty of evidence as cited already. Eyewitness accounts, audio and video footage, footprints, rock throwings, tree bangings, and hair samples analyzed in DNA labs.\

Then prove it.

Show us DNA, hair samples that point to an unknown giant species of primate, apparently living in the American mountains undetected for tens of thousands of years without leaving a trace they are there. This is supposedly a primitive creature, that's still shitting in the woods and eating nuts and it seems, not living in any form of built shelter at all (even in mountain ranges where there is snow), but is apparently savvy enough to evade satellite, helicopters flying over head, planes flying overhead, cameras, people searching for them and apparently clever enough to secretly bury their dead so that people cannot prove they exist.

Helicopters and planes flying over a densely forested area aren't going to spot anything. As for the DNA evidence?

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/02/13/colorado-researchers-say-dna-proves-bigfoot-is-real/

 

[Bells]

We don't need to find the remains of a living creature to prove it exists.

Show us proof that this creature exists.

Real proof. Like DNA evidence. Bones. Skin and fur samples. You have said that people saw them being buried. Where are the samples?

Show proof of where they came from. What did they descend from? Where are the bones of their ancestors? How did they get to the US and when and why haven't they spread throughout the US and into South America and into Canada?

What is their diet and how do they survive the winter snow? What do they eat in winter? Where are their droppings or poo? Where and how do they shelter from the snow or harsh conditions? If they are sleeping in caves, what caves are they sleeping in?

How have creatures this big, which are still so primitive, be so adept at evading and hiding from humans and other animals?

 

[Bells]

Plenty of evidence as cited already. Eyewitness accounts, audio and video footage, footprints, rock throwings, tree bangings,

Which was discounted.

and hair samples analyzed in DNA labs.\

And where are the results?

Because each time tests have been done, it was found to either be fake or bear fur samples.

You are now claiming that hair samples have been analysed. Can you please link the results from what would be a reputable and accredited lab?

Helicopters and planes flying over a densely forested area aren't going to spot anything. As for the DNA evidence?

Where is it?

Link? Not to a bigfoot site. But to the actual accredited labs that conducted the studies and obviously would have published it.

 

[Magical Realist]

Which was discounted.


And where are the results?

Because each time tests have been done, it was found to either be fake or bear fur samples.

You are now claiming that hair samples have been analysed. Can you please link the results from what would be a reputable and accredited lab?


Where is it?

Link? Not to a bigfoot site. But to the actual accredited labs that conducted the studies and obviously would have published it.

See link...

Show proof of where they came from. What did they descend from? Where are the bones of their ancestors? How did they get to the US and when and why haven't they spread throughout the US and into South America and into Canada?

What is their diet and how do they survive the winter snow? What do they eat in winter? Where are their droppings or poo? Where and how do they shelter from the snow or harsh conditions? If they are sleeping in caves, what caves are they sleeping in?

Who knows? Guess we'll find out all that when we track them down in the wild and observe them.

Which was discounted.

Where? With your ridiculous rock-throwing bear theory? lol!

 

[GeoffP]

I would very much like to see a sample that came back as definitively not-human. But in doing that, the thing to watch out for is DNA damage in samples that still produce genomic bands leading to the conclusion "we got DNA but it didn't work with the human probes!", among other things. There is even room to fudge in molecular biology, of a sort.

 

[GeoffP]

Which link?

 

[Bells]

See link...

Nice edit.

Your link states that no research institute in the US has confirmed the results.

Who is doing these tests on DNA samples that no one has seen?

And he is claiming that it is a humanoid. There is no evidence of a humanoid this big ever existing. Where is this so called DNA he says he has but is not publishing?

It should be easy to verify his claims. Why hasn't he sent it to actual DNA labs to confirm his findings?

Your article is from 2 years ago. And all we have is his word for it and nothing else.

 

[Magical Realist]

Which link?

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/02/13/colorado-researchers-say-dna-proves-bigfoot-is-real/

So you're saying there is a problem distinguishing unknown DNA from just a bad sample? This may be a reason why DNA from Bigfoot is so hard to sequence. We have nothing to compare it to.

 

[Bells]

I would very much like to see a sample that came back as definitively not-human. But in doing that, the thing to watch out for is DNA damage in samples that still produce genomic bands leading to the conclusion "we got DNA but it didn't work with the human probes!", among other things. There is even room to fudge in molecular biology, of a sort.

Brace yourself..

I looked up Dave Paulides from the article he linked when he edited his post to add said link.

Paulides wiki page provided some.. ermm.. insight:

Paulides' white paper analyzed one hundred eleven samples of hypothesized Bigfoot DNA evidence and was published in the Journal of Advanced Zoological Exploration in Zoology. The white paper is affiliated with and authored by eleven different scientists from nine different research organizations, including the Texas A&M Department University of Biology, Biochemistry, and Biophysics, the Helix Biological Laboratory in Detroit, the Center for Human Identification at the University of North Texas, and numerous other peer-reviewed research facilities.[8] In an interview with Coast to Coast AM host George Knapp, Paulides stated that the goal of his organization was to prove that the biped exists, and he feels they have done so; as such, he has moved on from the Bigfoot world to newer projects.[citation needed]​

Since the link to Journal of Advanced Zoological Exploration in Zoology appeared to be completely bunk, I went with the other link in the paragraph. Following the [8] link, took me to "Beyond Highbrow - Robert Lindsay", who discusses having seen this white paper. The paper appears to have been written by a Dr. Melba Ketchum.

And this paper by Dr. Melba Ketchum? The one that Paulides claims in the link MR provided, shows proof of out of this world DNA proving bigfoot exists? Here is what Dr. Melba's website, aptly titled "The Sasquatch Genome Project", has to say on the matter of this report that Paulides claims proves DNA is from bigfoot (this is the part where you should brace yourself):

It has been a long and tedious battle to prove that Sasquatch exists. We have had the proof for 8 years now, but building enough data to convince mainstream science has taken a lot of time. Trying to publish took almost two years. It seems mainstream science just can’t seem to tolerate something controversial, especially from a group of primarily forensic scientists and not “famous academians” aligned with large universities, even though most of our sequencing and analysis was performed at just such facilities.

We encountered the worst scientific bias in the peer review process in recent history. I am calling it the “Galileo Effect”. Several journals wouldn’t even read our manuscript when we sent them a pre-submission inquiry. Another one leaked our peer reviews. We were even mocked by one reviewer in his peer review. We finally found a new journal that accepted our paper and had it peer reviewed using blind peer reviews which we passed. However, we had to acquire this journal when they backed out of publishing our manuscript five minutes before it was to go live in order to keep our passing peer reviews obtained by this journal. We chose to do this rather than spend another five years just trying to find another journal to publish and hoping that decent, open minded reviewers would be chosen. We renamed the journal as per our agreement, DeNovo. The new journal is aimed at offering not only more choices and better service to scientists wanting to submit a manuscript, but also reviewers and editors that will be fair, unlike the treatment we received. Lastly, we have adhered to all of the standards set in the link below for author owned journals:

http://publicationethics.org/case/editor-author-own-journal

Dr. Melba S. Ketchum​

Note, this is copied and pasted as it appears on the website.

There are also links to the DNA studies on that page, as well as the requests for peer review - and acceptance of peer review of the non-existent Journal of Advanced Zoological Exploration in Zoology - not surprisingly, the review from them looks like something written in word with nothing identifying that it is even from them.

Melba's website is.. well.. interesting.

Apparently, this is Matilda (the image is on the front page):

Which looks astoundingly like the bastard child of an Ewok and Chewbacca.

Bad photo shop is bad.

Melba also asserts that bigfoot wile away their time by braiding the manes of horses, as well as tying rope into a hangman's noose, and carving stick figures of themselves in tree trucks and arranging tree trunks artfully.

She also pleads to leave the "Sasquatch people" alone, and to not hunt or kill them, because they are people too and should be allowed to roam free.

I did warn you to brace yourself.

 

[Magical Realist]

Here's a new Bigfoot DNA study just being undertaken. We'll see what they turn up..

http://cryptosightings.com/2015-bigfoot-dna-study-to-be-overseen-by-dr-jeff-meldrum

 

[Bells]

Here's a new Bigfoot DNA study just being undertaken. We'll see what they turn up..

http://cryptosightings.com/2015-bigfoot-dna-study-to-be-overseen-by-dr-jeff-meldrum

From your link:

Once samples of possible Bigfoot DNA evidence are collected they will all be sent to Dr Jeff Meldrum. Well known for his work in the Bigfoot community the well respected Dr Meldrum has agreed to oversee the new genome study. The group involved include some member who were involved with the Ketchum study and everyone has agreed that regardless of the studies results they will be accepted by all.

Here is a statement from the team and a video created detailing some of the Bigfoot encounters and some of the Bigfoot evidence collected. Could this new study possibly validate the study done by Dr Ketchum which some in and around the Bigfoot community were so skeptical about ? I guess there is a chance this could end up being a major headline on Bigfoot 2015.​

Melba lives on and her self published study and those involved in it move on, with another one from the "big foot community" doing the testing again, and involving Melba's research group.

I wonder if Matilda will feature strongly in this study...

Honestly MR, you kill me.

 

[GeoffP]

Journal of Advanced Zoological Exploration in Zoology sounds a lot like a cryptozoology mag.

 

[Kristoffer]

Ketchum, Meldrum and Paulides... Those three have been discredited several times over. By Bigfoot believers.