Should the U.S. troops leave afghanistan ?.
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spidergoat
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They were welcome enough when we provided them the means to defeat the Russians.
countezero
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Funny that how works, Spider.
A few invited guests, bringing means for one's own ends, leaving upon request - welcome.spider said:
Tens of thousands of Uninvited occupiers, doing violence for their own ends, setting up house and refusing to go away - not welcome.
I'm sure you have similar rules in your own living room.
countezero: "Funny that how works, Spider."
It's a simple and universal principle: Don't try to run my life, and we'll get along just fine. The Founders of the USA understood and recognized this, and intended for the USA to never become entangled in any other nation's affairs. The present campaign in Afghanistan is the USA learning (the hard way) the most basic lessons of history and human nature.
It's a simple and universal principle: Don't try to run my life, and we'll get along just fine. The Founders of the USA understood and recognized this, and intended for the USA to never become entangled in any other nation's affairs. The present campaign in Afghanistan is the USA learning (the hard way) the most basic lessons of history and human nature.
countezero
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Then why do the polls I keep posting show they support US troops there, Ice?
I didn't vote in the poll.
I'm not really sure what the wisest course of action is at the moment, and can only hope that our military is doing its best to keep our quality of life up to par.
Example: Heroin is becoming somewhat of a Black Dragon to human consciousness. If we give up Afghanistan then foreign forces will control the heroin trade. If we give up on Afghanistan then women there will continue to not have any rights under the rule of idiots.
They need our money, and "our" addicts need their heroin. We need them to need our money, in order to keep inflation down. Can the world really be as damned as that? Maybe so...
In some cases, good things can come from bad karma. That's the nature of this mortal existence, that cannot be denied.
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With all due respect...talking about idiots...you can easily be number one on the list .
You debate as if you are addressing walls and not people with brains.
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The polls are influenced by the lies of the US Administratioin and their media supporters who deny the masses the truth .
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spidergoat
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We are there with the consent of the Afghani government, helping build their army so that they will not crumble if we leave.
And the Afghani government is there with the consent of the US military, and not otherwise.spidergoat said:
Mutual consent, the basic foundation of ethical behavior. Now, about the inhabitants of the landscape, who seem somehow unenthusiastic about all of this - - -
Dunno. Think we can get any of them to fight as they supposedly poll, sometime in the next few years?count said:
The so called president of Afghanistan Hamid Karzai was working for the C.I.A. for ages before 9/11 . The same goes for many so called Iraqi leaders .
Are the C.I.A. operatives, coroborators the real presidents of the sovereign nations ?!!!.
spidergoat
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So? Who says the Afghani people don't want us there? It would be a humanitarian disaster if we left now, the Taliban would sweep in, murder the current government and anyone that was friendly with them, establish sharia law, and welcome their Al Quida brothers from accross the border. Is that what you want to happen? The Taliban are worse than the Russians, because they think God is on their side.
And the Taliban are much more fearsome fighters than the Russians, too, apparently - all the US had to do was slip the Afghanis some weapons and intelligence and the Russians had no chance. Against the awesome Taliban, even direct air support and much more extensive logistical aid does not suffice. Who are these Taliban, that fight so much harder than Afghanis even, let alone Russians? Where are they from, so that the Afghani people can drive them back to their homes?spidergoat said:
countezero
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The polls are influenced by the lies of the US Administratioin and their media supporters who deny the masses the truth .
That is what people such as yourself always cry when confronted with evidence that does not support a preordained conclusion: Propaganda, you all cry, like lemmings!
İt is an old game - and one İ will not indulge in here. İf you think BBC and ABC, who İ think conducted the poll, are agents of the US, then no argument or dose of reality can cure such delusion.
countezero
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Again you show your ignorance of Afghanistan, history and the current conflict. Bravo. And your above response? You know the one where you say: Dunno. Can you really come up wıth nothıng else?
That is a less than candid statement. They NEVER asked for assistance. The CIA, penetrated, recruited, trained and ultimately USED elements of the resistance movement as a vehicle in pursuing its agenda against the then "insert enemy of the day here", in this case, commies. The Russians left defeated, and so will Uncle Sam.
Simply (duh) because the polls are designed to keep gullible Americans, like yourself, supportive of the OCCUPATION. You don`t seriously believe they are accurate?
No. With the support of the illegal US puppet regime, who are NOT representative of the people. Rest assured, they will not crumble. They were not crumbling BEFORE the occupation, and they certainly won`t crumble after you are gone. Where in G-d`s name does this misplaced arrogance come from?
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