sep 11, 2001 vs. jan 6, 2021

[DaveC426913]

They are also frantically looking for ways to avoid jail time, including renouncing Trump and his attempts to overthrow a US election. Another way they are cooperating is by naming names - specifically, the men and women from the government they met with to plan the insurrection. So far that list includes:

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene
Rep. Paul Gosar
Rep. Lauren Boebert
Rep. Mo Brooks of Alabama
Rep. Madison Cawthorn
Rep. Andy Biggs of Arizona
Rep. Louie Gohmert

I would let them all off just for that one pic of Trump in cuffs and an orange jumpsuit.

 

[Beer w/Straw]

I would let them all off just for that one pic of Trump in cuffs and an orange jumpsuit.

https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf...FHQdtCJ8QjJkEegQIBxAC&biw=800&bih=337&dpr=2.4


he he

 

[Write4U]

Many "revolutionary" orientations wallow in some form of exploitive altruism to attract recruits, and dispense pretentious, opportunistic morality plays as justification. Whether it's those old school secular intellectuals or the hodgepodge of random craziness that is QAnon (granting that they have any single agenda or monomaniacal purpose). The former has actually succeeded in takeovers of countries in the past, with various sphincters inheriting the dystopian aftermath -- but it remains to be seen that loosely organized and rambling nutjobs (QAnon) can accomplish the same.

What happened to a well-regulated militia, that is worthy of carrying arms of any kind?

 

[Write4U]

The loudest and most violent 9/11 reactionaries, the ones in a dizzy panic, the crazies that got us invading Iraq - were the supporters and perpetrators of Jan 6.

It's not too surprising if their "reaction" is a bit different - which it will be, regardless of what comes out at trial etc;

seems unlikely that anybody will be murdered by a vigilante patriot for wearing a cowboy hat or a trucker's cap, for example.

Perhaps it is time for Biden to declare Martial Law and arrest a few people for sedition.

Martial Law

When martial law is in effect, the military commander of an area or country has unlimited authority to make and enforce laws. Martial law is justified when civilian authority has ceased to function, is completely absent, or has become ineffective.

Further, martial law suspends all existing laws, as well as civil authority and the ordinary administration of justice. In the United States, martial law may be declared by proclamation of the President or a State governor, but such a formal proclamation is not necessary. Although the U.S. Constitution makes no specific provision for the imposition of martial law, nearly every State has a constitutional provision authorizing the government to impose martial law.

https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/martial-law-times-civil-disorder#

It is clear that the minority party is intent on preventing orderly governance by the majority party.
The only way to break this cycle of obstruction and political sabotage is to arrest a few people and throw them in jail. As long as government is not restored to the rightfully elected president and party they will remain in jail for the duration of the presidency, be it 4 years or 8 years, or until they reaffirm their pledge of allegiance.

This will instantly restore order. This is what is done with intentionally willful children.
stand in the corner for the duration.

 

[Tiassa]

We have been commemorating the horror of Sep 11, 2001. I feel the events of Jan. 6,2021 pose a much more serious danger to our country, but the reaction isn't there. Why not?

Well, think of horror. I mean, there are the numbers, for instance.

And that's the thing. While the question of enemies foreign and domestic will rattle American consciences until we learn to deal with it appropriately, the numbers are an important point.

A national government was overthrown a few days ago; the initial coup succeeded with a lesser human toll than the Wednesday Putsch. Subsequent protests are raising the death toll as authority cracks down and protesters die, but the actual coup action, the seizure of government in Sudan, only killed three.

The horror of three thousand dead and the falling towers at the hands of a bunch of internationals, compared to five dead on the day conservatives finally burned their law-and-order pretense and abandoned the Republic. That juxtaposition will take a while for Americans to comprehend.

 

[Write4U]

The horror of three thousand dead and the falling towers at the hands of a bunch of internationals, compared to five dead on the day conservatives finally burned their law-and-order pretense and abandoned the Republic. That juxtaposition will take a while for Americans to comprehend.

The main difference of course is that Jan.6 was performed by American citizens against their own government.

That is domestic terrorism and in a modern civilized country that should be totally unacceptable.
That behavior is expected of a civilization that is still a few centuries in the past.

 

[sculptor]

IMHO
Calling that Jan. 6 muddle an insurrection is much like calling a mud puddle and ocean.

Hell, it probably wouldn't even top your galoshes.

 

[origin]

Calling that Jan. 6 muddle an insurrection is much like calling a mud puddle and ocean.

Hell, it probably wouldn't even top your galoshes.

The president of the US lied to a crowed of supporters that the election was stolen from them. After this a part of the crowed violently entered the Capitol injuring multiple police. The mob was there at the capitol specifically to stop the government from certifying the election and they succeeded for a short time. The fact that you do not think this is a big deal shows your true colors and they aren't red, white and blue.

 

[Write4U]

IMHO
Calling that Jan. 6 muddle an insurrection is much like calling a mud puddle and ocean.

Hell, it probably wouldn't even top your galoshes.

They came about 30 ft from taking the house members hostage. That would have been the coup!

Compare this with Hitler's Beer Hall putsch that failed and landed him in jail. That's where he wrote Mein Kampf and when he was released he became chancellor and started WWII!!!!!!!!
Beer Hall Putsch
Nov 8, 1923 – Nov 9, 1923

Description

The Beer Hall Putsch, also known as the Munich Putsch, was a failed coup d'état by Nazi Party leader Adolf Hitler, General quartermeister Erich Ludendorff and other Kampfbund leaders in Munich, Bavaria, on 8–9 November 1923, during the Weimar Republic. Wikipedia

Never underestimate people with guns who declare war on the system. They mean it!

 

[Beer w/Straw]

Is, America, safe with, Trump?

Say the, Joint Chiefs Of Staff, band together and say they're going to sit on the nukes if Trump goes cuckoo. Yes, then we should congratulate the US military for saving the world from, themselves.

 

[sculptor]

...

Never underestimate people with guns who declare war on the system. They mean it!

Were the Jan. 6 muddlers who entered the capitol armed?

 

[Write4U]

Were the Jan. 6 muddlers who entered the capitol armed?

Yes, except they did not participate. They were organized and let the rowdies do the dirty work.
I'll bet you there were dozens of concealed weapons.

Police union says 140 officers injured in Capitol riot

The physical toll on officers who defended the U.S. Capitol during the Jan. 6 attack by a pro-Trump mob is becoming clearer, with reports by police officials and federal prosecutors indicating that about 140 officers were injured, the head of the Capitol Police officers’ union said.

“I have officers who were not issued helmets prior to the attack who have sustained head injuries,” Gus Papathanasiou, union chairman, said in a statement Wednesday. “One officer has two cracked ribs and two smashed spinal discs and another was stabbed with a metal fence stake, to name some of the injuries.”

Capitol Police Officer Brian D. Sicknick died after trying to defend the Capitol from rioters. One Capitol Police officer and one D.C. police officer who were responding on the scene have died by suicide since the attack.

And since Jan. 6, 38 Capitol Police employees have tested positive for the coronavirus, almost entirely officers and supervisors who responded to the riot, Papathanasiou said.

At least 81 Capitol Police officers were assaulted during the siege of the Capitol, according to filings by federal prosecutors. The filings did not detail injuries sustained by officers, and a Capitol Police spokeswoman did not respond to a request for comment on officer injuries.

About 65 D.C. police officers also suffered injuries on Jan. 6, including several concussions from head blows from various objects, including metal poles ripped from inauguration-related scaffolding and even a pole with an American flag attached, D.C. police officials have said. Other injuries included swollen ankles and wrists, bruised arms and legs, and irritated lungs from bear and pepper spray.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...743642-60e2-11eb-9430-e7c77b5b0297_story.html

Yes, Capitol Rioters Were Armed. Here Are The Weapons Prosecutors Say They Used

Pro-Trump extremists clashed with police during the storming of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6. The rioters may not have fired shots, but many were armed with other weapons, court documents show.

Joseph Prezioso/AFP via Getty Images
In the wake of the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, a popular narrative has emerged: that because rioters did not fire guns that day, they were not really "armed."

But a review of the federal charges against the alleged rioters shows that they did come armed, and with a variety of weapons: stun guns, pepper spray, baseball bats and flagpoles wielded as clubs. An additional suspect also allegedly planted pipe bombs by the headquarters of the Democratic and Republican parties the night before the riot and remains at large.

Those weapons brought violence and chaos to the Capitol. Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick died one day after two rioters allegedly sprayed him and other officers with what prosecutors describe as an "unknown chemical substance." Four other people in the crowd died in the insurrection, and more than 100 police officers suffered injuries, including cracked ribs, gouged eyes and shattered spinal disks.

Some supporters of former President Donald Trump have argued that the dangerousness of the Capitol rioters has been overblown. Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., has said, for example, "This didn't seem like an armed insurrection to me."

echoed that view, and conservative and pro-Trump media, like Breitbart, The Epoch Times and the Washington Examiner, have seized on the congressional testimony of FBI Assistant Director Jill Sanborn, who said the bureau did not confiscate firearms from suspects that day.

But FBI spokesperson Carol Cratty told NPR that Sanborn was talking only specifically about arrests by the FBI, and not other police agencies that made arrests on the day of the riot — including arrests of people allegedly carrying guns.

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/19/9778...ere-are-the-weapons-prosecutors-say-they-used

Is that enough violence for you? These people meant business!!!!!!!

 

[Write4U]

'How many elections are they going to steal before we kill these people?'
Opinion: A young man at a Turning Point USA rally publicly asks when he can start killing Democrats for stealing the election. Donald Trump and Republican leaders own this.
Laurie Roberts
Arizona Republic

The young man stepped to the podium to ask Turning Point USA’s Charlie Kirk a question.

“At this point, we're living under corporate and medical fascism. This is tyranny. When do we get to use the guns?” the man asked, to applause from the crowd. “No, and I’m not – that’s not a joke. I’m not saying it like that. I mean, literally, where’s the line? How many elections are they going to steal before we kill these people?”

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opi...se-guns-tpusa-owns-and-others-too/8570812002/

Kirk quickly denounced the man’s comments, which came on Monday during a Boise State University stop on Kirk's Exposing Critical Racism speaking tour. (Read a full transcript on Media Matters.)

 

[Luchito]

We have been commemorating the horror of Sep 11, 2001. I feel the events of Jan. 6,2021 pose a much more serious danger to our country, but the reaction isn't there. Why not?

September 11 2001 can't be compared at all with the event on January 6, 2021.

On January 6, 2021 American citizens entered without authorization to a public building. Pictures showing security guards talking in friendly way to them shows it wasn't an invasion or antipatriotic event. There are even pictures showing a lovely grandma smiling to the camera while carrying the America flag and such old person can't be considered as a threat for the safety of politicians and others inside that building. By no means such unauthorized entrance was a danger to our country.

It is amazing how much fuss is made about American citizens going inside a public building and get arrested while thousands and thousands of illegals immigrants enter to public and private lands everyday into the US without authorization and rather of being arrested are leaved free even rewarded with a path to permanent residence and even citizenship.

The events of September 11, 2001 are more close to the daily event of illegal immigrants entering into the US, are foreign people invading US lands, and a danger to our country.

 

[Write4U]

N.J. gym owner pleads guilty to assaulting police officer in Jan. 6 riot

 

[Write4U]

On January 6, 2021 American citizens entered without authorization to a public building.

Yes, assaulted and violently entered the Nation's Capitol building with intent of stopping a legal electoral procedure.

That was an assault on the nation just as 911 was.

Police union says 140 officers injured in Capitol riot

PEOPLE DIED!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Luchito]

Yes, assaulted and violently entered the Nation's Capitol building with intent of stopping a legal electoral procedure.

That was an assault on the nation just as 911 was.

Police union says 140 officers injured in Capitol riot

PEOPLE DIED!!!!!!!!!!!

How many police officers and people in general died and got injured with Black Lives Matter street protests? How much destruction was made in those demonstrations?

I will tell you what being antipatriotic is: Kneeling when the National Anthem is heard.

In my opinion fraud was made in the 2020 elections, and to me, no matter if at the end Biden got more votes, to me, fraud is fraud, and the party that commits fraud must lose everything. Complaints are that one Republican committed fraud, but this man was a private person not involved with the Republican campaign. On the other hand, accusations made to the actions of the Democrat campaign committing fraud are very credible to me. I do believe they did it.

Those people in Washington DC downtown also believed in fraud committed by Democrats. They opted for physical intervention, which according to the Constitution is allowed when dictatorship (or fraud to obtain political power) is made.

I just give my opinion because I'm entitled to do so.

 

[Write4U]

How many police officers and people in general died and got injured with Black Lives Matter street protests? How much destruction was made in those demonstrations?

Yep, I knew it, you are a Fox (Faux) News devotee.

I will tell you what being antipatriotic is: Kneeling when the National Anthem is heard.

Just as it is antireligious to: Kneel when praying to God, or antimatrimonial to Kneel when proposing marriage.

Kneeling is a symbolic gesture of respect and deference.
Why don't you learn the English language? You are making a fool of yourself.

Kneeling (definition)

Kneeling is a primate behavior used to convey deference and yielding by making the figure kneeling look smaller than the other.[2]

Primates themselves establish pecking orders that are important to the survival and behavior of a group.[3]Chimpanzees, for example, have a complex social group that involves a dominant male and corresponding female with the other submissive males and juvenile chimps.[4] Males who threaten the hierarchy are often severely injured or killed;[5] thus the use of submissive behavior is necessary in order to ensure survival in some instances.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kneeling

 

[billvon]

I will tell you what being antipatriotic is: Kneeling when the National Anthem is heard.

Let's see:
Internet troll thinks it's disrespectful
Former Green Beret thinks it's respectful

Think I will go with the veteran over the troll.

In my opinion fraud was made in the 2020 elections, and to me, no matter if at the end Biden got more votes, to me, fraud is fraud, and the party that commits fraud must lose everything.

The only fraud they found . . . helped Trump. Even the recounts showed that some Biden votes were lost. So I agree; Trump should lose everything.

Complaints are that one Republican committed fraud, but this man was a private person not involved with the Republican campaign. On the other hand, accusations made to the actions of the Democrat campaign committing fraud are very credible to me. I do believe they did it.

That's because you are a sore loser.

Those people in Washington DC downtown also believed in fraud committed by Democrats. They opted for physical intervention, which according to the Constitution is allowed when dictatorship (or fraud to obtain political power) is made.

Ah. Then Black Lives Matter has even more right to protest, since they believed that blacks were being massacred by a genocidal police force, and they had every right to fight genocide.

Now that that's cleared up . . .

 

[Write4U]

I just give my opinion because I'm entitled to do so

Certainly, you're absolutely entitled to give your ignorant opinions. I can assure you that it won't gain you any respect.