Scientists and Virtue

weed-only...

are you back up to your trivial name calling games again?

more bug-eyes?

More puke-o-holic barf-o-matic bragging about how great your life is and how great you are?

Blah....
 
And no. Wrong on every single point. Obviously you don't even know what a pseudo-scientist is. He/she is a crackpot, an idiot, an uneducated fool, a woo-woo that doesn't understand science at all.

You didnt just make up your own definition of a term did you? This is definition I found and it doesnt look anything like yours. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pseudo science

It finally turned out that the primary problem here was an individual making up his own definition of a term. No one can carry on any type of sensible discussion with someone that does that.

Indeed.
 
You didnt just make up your own definition of a term did you? This is definition I found and it doesnt look anything like yours. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pseudo science

Actually, every definition on the page you linked to underscores exactly what I said. I know you didn't intend to support me, but that's precisely what you did.

Evidently your reading comprehension hasn't improved since you were here raving about UFOs.
 
Actually, every definition on the page you linked to underscores exactly what I said. I know you didn't intend to support me, but that's precisely what you did.

Evidently your reading comprehension hasn't improved since you were here raving about UFOs.


any of various methods, theories, or systems, as astrology, psychokinesis, or clairvoyance, considered as having no scientific basis.

Now that line says considered as having no scientific basis. Means its still logically possible that these fields do have scientific basis if someone with a necessary standard in his observation skills think of studying any of these fields in detail as they way science has always done. But no one want to study any of these fields from scratch. Most people pick up the available half-baked, half senseless ideas that exists as of now and then argue and prove these pseudo scientists wrong.
 
Now that line says considered as having no scientific basis. Means its still logically possible that these fields do have scientific basis if someone with a necessary standard in his observation skills think of studying any of these fields in detail as they way science has always done. But no one want to study any of these fields from scratch. Most people pick up the available half-baked, half senseless ideas that exists as of now and then argue and prove these pseudo scientists wrong.

I see no difference between "having no scientific merit" and what I said about someone practicing it: "He/she is a crackpot, an idiot, an uneducated fool, a woo-woo that doesn't understand science at all."

People who DO understand science do NOT involve themselves with something that has no scientific merit.

And anyone who argues against that last paragraph does NOT understand the English language.
 
Actually, every definition on the page you linked to underscores exactly what I said. I know you didn't intend to support me, but that's precisely what you did.

Oh well lets examine the two definitions then since you feel so strongly about this. Let it be noted there is no definition of pseudoscientist at dictionary.com, only pseudoscience, but we will assume a pseudoscientist to be one who practices pseudoscience. Moving on...

The definition from dictionary.com
any of various methods, theories, or systems, as astrology, psychokinesis, or clairvoyance, considered as having no scientific basis.

Could be rephrased as:
A person who researches theories (etc..) which are considered to be without scientific foundation.

And Read-Only's definition:
He/she is a crackpot, an idiot, an uneducated fool, a woo-woo that doesn't understand science at all.

The problem is Read Only you are extremely biased; prejudice even. You spew your venom at anyone that will listen. A person can be in a scientific field their whole life and still research pseudoscience. There is no solid barrier between the two as you think.

Evidently your reading comprehension hasn't improved since you were here raving about UFOs.

Evidently yours has declined, but your hatred for all that is good is still as ripe as ever I see.
 
Oh well lets examine the two definitions then since you feel so strongly about this. Let it be noted there is no definition of pseudoscientist at dictionary.com, only pseudoscience, but we will assume a pseudoscientist to be one who practices pseudoscience. Moving on...

The definition from dictionary.com


Could be rephrased as:


And Read-Only's definition:


The problem is Read Only you are extremely biased; prejudice even. You spew your venom at anyone that will listen. A person can be in a scientific field their whole life and still research pseudoscience. There is no solid barrier between the two as you think.



Evidently yours has declined, but your hatred for all that is good is still as ripe as ever I see.

You need to read my last post prior to this one. I consider the issue closed - as would any reasonable intelligent person.
 
People who DO understand science do NOT involve themselves with something that has no scientific merit.

Sorry but you are wrong here. This is where your bias is glaringly obvious. So bright it blinds you.

You really think you are the only person who GETS it? Everyone else are just morons?

The Problem is YOU Read-Only, not other people.
 
Sorry but you are wrong here. This is where your bias is glaringly obvious. So bright it blinds you.

You really think you are the only person who GETS it? Everyone else are just morons?

The Problem is YOU Read-Only, not other people.

Nope, MOST people get it. The only thing you see is UFOs.
 
dicionary.com said:
any of various methods, theories, or systems, as astrology, psychokinesis, or clairvoyance, ***considered*** as having no scientific basis.

As you can see by the dictionary.com definition, it is clear that pseudoscience is not something devoid of scientific merit but rather CONSIDERED to have none. That is a very important distinction.

ReadOnly said:
People who DO understand science do NOT involve themselves with something that has no scientific merit.

Check mate.
 
I see no difference between "having no scientific merit" and what I said about someone practicing it: "He/she is a crackpot, an idiot, an uneducated fool, a woo-woo that doesn't understand science at all."

People who DO understand science do NOT involve themselves with something that has no scientific merit.

And anyone who argues against that last paragraph does NOT understand the English language.

Then how does a discovery takes place?
 
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While that is certainly true, Nassor, I don't think they should even be considered human beings, much less scientists. At least as far as this particular discussion goes.
Actually most of them had a pretty normal life outside of the ugliness.
 
Recently read this quote by Maurice Wilkins

To say that the essence of science is that you are always inquiring and open-minded is to say that you are in fact living a virtuous life.This, of course, refers to how the scientist ideally works; in practice, you find that it is very different.

Is open-mindedness a prerequisite for successful science?
Yep

Does open-mindedness require virtue, even for a scientist?
Nope....... as to be open minded has no requisite of honesty.
 
Boo-hiss-boo!!!! There are very, very few scientists like that - they don't last very long.

I completely agree with Enmos - your complaint is NOT about scientists but about human nature in general. True professionals do not act in such a fashion. The few that do are just after grant money and therefore are nothing but con artists - NOT scientists at all.

Now you all can see why the Hadron exists?

Great salesman!
 
Exactly. Every science starts as a pseudo science. Even UFOs.

If we knew everything already pseudo science wouldnt exist would it?

Yup. Trouble is that Read only cannot acknowledge his own prejudice and narrow minded outlook. Too much information usually does this to humans and at some point of time they begin to believe that everything they remember and have read are true on all accounts. They hardly cross check. or care to critically analyze their thoughts.
 
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