Science of Water Memory?

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I am trying to understand it, if water memory is caused due to dome changes in molecular structure of water itself or due to changes from outside influence...chemical or biological. Hiwever I feel it will not serve the purpose of proving of homeopathic or low dose effect as memorized by water because triturated X remedies with lactose also show similar homeopathic effects. Hence wter and its memory may be irrelevant Unless we consider lactos at par to water. Probably impact of energy travel from higher level to lower level may be more relevant. Sorry.
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That is the start . Vibration as well .
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KUMAR5 said:
Will you enhance it? How memory of active substances can equally apply to water and lactose used in preparation of homeóoathic remedies?
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Water absorbed the energy from a plant for example , that energy formed the shape of the water molecule . Lactose don't know . Never heard of this . But anyway water memory is more than just homeopathic medicines .
 
river said:
Water absorbed the energy from a plant for example , that energy formed the shape of the water molecule . Lactose don't know . Never heard of this . But anyway water memory is more than just homeopathic medicines .
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Yes water can absorb the energy. Otherwise how it can be hot and cold when heated or cooled. But main issue is how it can store that energy for long. Water will come back soon to ambient temp by keeping it at room temp.
 
Just a relevant Question:-

How water remain hot or cold for some time when it is boiled or iced?

How a magenetized iron piece remain magnetic for some time?

Dies it justify short memory of energy in these i.e in water and iron(substsnce)? Not sure if other substsnces also hold such type of energy.
 
KUMAR5 said:
Dies it justify short memory of energy in these i.e in water and iron(substsnce)?
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Memory of what? Of energy??? How does water have a memory of energy? What is that even supposed to mean?
Do you ever read the crud that you type??
Not sure if other substsnces also hold such type of energy.
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You're unsure if other substances get hot or cold???
Wow.
Somehow, that doesn't surprise me.
 
Sarkus said:
Memory of what? Of energy??? How does water have a memory of energy? What is that even supposed to mean?
Do you ever read the crud that you type??
You're unsure if other substances get hot or cold???
Wow.
Somehow, that doesn't surprise me.
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Sarkus just look into water memory on youtube.com . There you find the experiments , done , to show that water has memory .
 
Short memory of heat or cold. Therefore we feel water hot or cold for sometime after we boil it or iced it. I think, I mentioned it. Heat is an energy. If water can retain this short memory than possibility of memory of water is justified. 7th Justification. :)
 
KUMAR5 said:
Just a relevant Question:-

How water remain hot or cold for some time when it is boiled or iced?

How a magenetized iron piece remain magnetic for some time?

Dies it justify short memory of energy in these i.e in water and iron(substsnce)? Not sure if other substsnces also hold such type of energy.
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Any substance will retain heat for a while (depending on the temperature of its surroundings), as it is due to the kinetic energy of the molecules or atoms of which it is composed, which are in random motion.

Magnetised iron retains magnetism due the alignment of the spin of electrons in its atoms, which is possible due to their fixed positions in the lattice structure of solid iron. Liquid iron cannot retain magnetism.

Such questions betray a lack of knowledge of basic science.
 
exchemist said:
Any substance will retain heat for a while (depending on the temperature of its surroundings), as it is due to the kinetic energy of the molecules or atoms of which it is composed, which are in random motion.

Magnetised iron retains magnetism due the alignment of the spin of electrons in its atoms, which is possible due to their fixed positions in the lattice structure of solid iron. Liquid iron cannot retain magnetism.

Such questions betray a lack of knowledge of basic science.
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Thanks.
But how these changes can not be considered as short memory?
 
river said:
Sarkus just look into water memory on youtube.com . There you find the experiments , done , to show that water has memory .
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You can find "proof" of alien visitation on Youtube. You can find "proof" of the existence of bigfoot, of the Loch Ness monster, of ghosts, and everything else you can think of. If Youtube is all you have to offer then you have a long path ahead of you.
 
KUMAR5 said:
Thanks.
But how these changes can not be considered as short memory?
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Because to torture the word "memory" until it fits what you want is the opposite of enlightment; it is obfuscation.

All objects store heat. That heat dissipates at some rate, if you want to redefine heat as memory, you are in for a rough ride.

You might as well redefine regolith as cheesy and then you can say the Moon is green cheese.
 
This thread goes from the ridiculous to the absurd all too easily.
I know it's pseudoscience, but surely there are still some limits below which people won't sink?? 'Cos at the moment those limits seem to be a distant memory! (see what I did there! ;))
 
KUMAR5 said:
Thanks.
But how these changes can not be considered as short memory?
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You can choose to call them memory if you like, but that would not be a scientific description, because just calling them "memory" would not enable you to predict what behaviour to expect as a result. Whereas calling these things by their scientific names enables you to predict their consequent behaviour. That's the value of science, you see. That's why we do science. And that's why made-up bullshit is inferior. ;)
 
exchemist said:
You can choose to call them memory if you like, but that would not be a scientific description, because just calling them "memory" would not enable you to predict what behaviour to expect as a result. Whereas calling these things by their scientific names enables you to predict their consequent behaviour. That's the value of science, you see. That's why we do science. And that's why made-up bullshit is inferior. ;)
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Along with science, I tend to see things by loguc and practical appearsnces. Obiosly we still need to add a lot more to science to bring it to final level.





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Structural or chemical changes need to hapoen to get any memory. How there are no measurable structural changes happen in water and iron when water is hested or cooled or iron is magnetized for not not to justify to consider it a memory,? I think structural changes do happen both in water and iron in this case so should justufy it as menory.
 
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KUMAR5 said:
I am trying to change this odd understsnding eithin the scope of scientific understsbding. I do not feel, memory of water was actually or practically tested but appear it was just theoretically rejected.
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chemical efficacy range is non effective inside micro dosing of water
but the placebo effect is real.
placebos or "activators" can trigger the brain and body to produce chemicals & hormones & pheromones

scientifically there is a vast range of types of remedy inside homeopathy
 
KUMAR5 said:
Along with science, I tend to see things by loguc and practical appearsnces. Obiosly we still need to add to science too much.
Structural or chemical changes need to hapoen to get any memory. How there are no measurable structural changes hapoen ij water and iron when water is hested or cooled or iron is magnetized for not not to justify to consider it a memory,? I think structural changes do happen both in water and iron in this case.
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Calling it "memory" adds nothing to anyone's ability to predict how these materials will behave, as a consequence of being heated or magnetised. So it's a useless term to use, scientifically.

Whereas if you say its temperature has been raised, you can predict whether it will get hotter or colder when put in contact with something at a different temperature. And if you say iron has been magnetised you can predict its effect on a compass needle, or its ability to generate an electric current if a wire is moved nearby. You can predict specific behaviour. That's science.

By contrast, "I think......." is just the gateway to bullshit.

Which is your speciality, apparently.
 
exchemist said:
Calling it "memory" adds nothing to anyone's ability to predict how these materials will behave, as a consequence of being heated or magnetised. So it's a useless term to use, scientifically.

Whereas if you say its temperature has been raised, you can predict whether it will get hotter or colder when put in contact with something at a different temperature. And if you say iron has been magnetised you can predict its effect on a compass needle, or its ability to generate an electric current if a wire is moved nearby. You can predict specific behaviour. That's science.
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Predicting abd I think, sonehow matches. :)
We can also predict hot water can burn our hand or iced water can freez our hands. Magnetized iron will attract iron prices can also be predicted. It is also an expression of retriving of memory. So look nothing odd in it.
 
RainbowSingularity said:
chemical efficacy range is non effective inside micro dosing of water
but the placebo effect is real.
placebos or "activators" can trigger the brain and body to produce chemicals & hormones & pheromones

scientifically there is a vast range of types of remedy inside homeopathy
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Yes but does poacebo depend on false or fake stimulus or also on real stimulus? May such stimulus be in any form..physical, chemical, psychological, anatomical, biological etc. You abuse to someone. He get so much exited that he start fighting with you or a kiss of live exite ove viable one or you slap anyone than he slap you nore hard in respinse..so on, these are real stimulus. Are these poacebo?
Just read it:
"Cephalic phaseEm
The cephalic phase of digestion is the stage in which the stomach responds to the mere sight, smell, taste, or thought of food. About 20% of total acid secretion occurs before food enters the stomach.."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reg...e of digestion,before food enters the stomach.

Is it placebo? No it is not in sciece. It depend on resl stimulus.
 
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Kumar, again, you can make up any definitions for any terms you want and put them in your diary. But if you want to make sense to any other person, you have to use established language

This forum is not your diary.

Applying the term 'memory' to water is as useful sensical as applying the term 'flaming sky chariot' to the sun. Its the stuff of non-science.
 
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