Race and Intellectual Achievement

[DeepThought]

Think about how many African Americans you read about in a high school or middle school or grade school U.S. history class, and my guess is there were very few -- Martin Luther King, Jr., Rosa Parks, Malcolm X and maybe Harriett Tubman and Sojourner Truth. Now, think about how many White people you learned about -- there were so many, I can't decide where to start!

Achievement gets you into the history books.

White peoples domination of science and culture is almost absolute, with important historical contributions, however, from Asians and Arabs.

 

[spidergoat]

George Washington Carver

 

[DeepThought]

George Washington Carver

Carver's most important accomplishments were in areas other than industrial products from peanuts, including agricultural extension education, improvement of racial relations, mentoring children, poetry, painting, religion, advocacy of sustainable agriculture and appreciation of plants and nature. He served as a valuable role model for African-Americans and an example of the importance of hard work, a positive attitude and a good education.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_Carver

Err... perhaps you could explain how this qualifies as genius?

 

[spidergoat]

Sounds like a true renaissance man to me. Wow, reading your link, I didn't even know he did all that stuff. Can you make explosives from peanuts?

I'm talking about 400 years of oppression, hatred, slavery, being treated as less than human, discrimination of all kinds. There was a real need to form institutions to help this small minority, since white institutions, which included just about all of them, were no help. While we have made some progress, it's still incomplete. Your denial of the need to create black institutions is another facet of racism, even though you may not feel personally racist.

 

[DeepThought]

Sounds like a true renaissance man to me. Wow, reading your link, I didn't even know he did all that stuff. Can you make explosives from peanuts?

Wow. Mentoring children and appreciating plants and nature makes you a genius.

I appreciate trees... can I be a genius too?

There was a real need to form institutions to help this small minority, since white institutions, which included just about all of them, were no help.

So you admit that black intellectualism is a sham aided by white people because they feel guilty about slavery?

Your denial of the need to create black institutions is another facet of racism, even though you may not feel personally racist.

Your need to create black institutions is a result of guilt at your own racism, even though you may not feel personally racist.

So, I ask you again, give me the name of a black genius, similar to Newton, Plato, Aristotle, Einstein, Marx or Confucius.

 

[spidergoat]

I appreciate trees... can I be a genius too?

I doubt it.

So, I ask you again, give me the name of a black genius, similar to Newton, Plato, Aristotle, Einstein, Marx or Confucius.

James Gates: Theoretical Physicist

 

[Kadark]

Achievement gets you into the history books.

White peoples domination of science and culture is almost absolute, with important historical contributions, however, from Asians and Arabs.

Nah, the Persians and Indians did more than the Asians and Arabs combined. Whites have been successful in the last few centuries, although one would think that their venturesome habit of sacking every corner of the Earth is why they've had so much riches and power.

But, go on, give me some names of black geniuses...preferably unconnected with civil rights.

Maybe there aren't as many "black geniuses" as other colours because they've been fighting for civil rights for so fucking long. I can't think of a colour that's been through more oppression and poverty (caused almost always from non-Blacks) than that of the Blacks.

 

[DeepThought]

James Gates: Theoretical Physicist

Do you know what a genius is?

It's someone who has an extraordinary natural capacity of intellect, especially as shown in creative and original work in science, art, music, etc.

Doing a PhD doesn't make you a genius.

So, I'll spare you any more trouble.

There aren't any.

 

[DeepThought]

Maybe there aren't as many "black geniuses" as other colours because they've been fighting for civil rights for so fucking long. I can't think of a colour that's been through more oppression and poverty (caused almost always from non-Blacks) than that of the Blacks.

Your just making the argument here that other races are responsible for the development of blacks.

For most of their vast history blacks have been an independent people living in sub-Saharan Africa.

Other races didn't even come into it.

 

[iceaura]

So, I ask you again, give me the name of a black genius, similar to Newton, Plato, Aristotle, Einstein, Marx or Confucius.

You might want to be careful there with Plato and Aristotle. Are you sure Socrates was white, for example (Plato was a secretary) ?

What about Abrahim, founder of the great monotheistic religions ?

Your list is biased toward cultural literacy. Nobody wrote down the name of whoever invented fire-starting, nets, carry bags, weaving, etc.

The architecture of the Pyramids, and the Nile flood management (surveying and irrigation) system, was probably invented by a black man who'd never seen anything like it.

Miles Davis, Ornette Coleman, probably Beethoven.

The inventor of the boomerang.

Define "genius".

 

[Ganymede]

Do you know what a genius is?

It's someone who has an extraordinary natural capacity of intellect, especially as shown in creative and original work in science, art, music, etc.

Doing a PhD doesn't make you a genius.

So, I'll spare you any more trouble.

There aren't any.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Man you sure hate Blacks don't you. There's plently of Black Geniuses. You have ZERO proof to back up your baseless assertion.

 

[Ganymede]

=DeepThought;1706406]Your just making the argument here that other races are responsible for the development of blacks.

That's not what he said.

For most of their vast history blacks have been an independent people living in sub-Saharan Africa.

You have zero proof. The Journey of Man proved, beyond a reason of a doubt that Black Africans populated the entire continent of Africa. That's the difference between facts and conjecture. I have them, you don't.

Nefertiti Revealed


For over a decade Nefertiti was the most influential woman in Egypt. At fifteen she married Amenophis IV who changed his name to Akhenaton after ascending the throne around 1353 BC and she was promoted to be his queen.



She was held in godlike reverence by her people. Her beauty was legendary and her image adorned buildings and monuments all over Egypt.

http://www.discoverychannel.co.uk/egypt/nefertiti/index.shtml

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[Ganymede]

The 30 children in Proctor's study were selected from 26 of the 44 segregated elementary schools in Washington, D.C., consisting of a total population of 8,178 students. She did not conduct a complete survey to find all the superior children in the segregated schools (Proctor, 1929). Children initially were screened using the Dearborn Intelligence Test, and 219 children who scored at least 20 points above average were recommended for individual testing with the Stanford-Binet Intelligence Scale. Teachers also recommended an additional 31 children for whom no group IQ test results were available. Not all children screened by the Dearborn were individually tested; Proctor apparently stopped testing children when she had found 30 who scored at or above 130 IQ, Stanford-Binet (Proctor, 1929). Four of these children tested above 160 IQ.

http://www.gt-cybersource.org/Record.aspx?NavID=2_0&rid=11373

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[DeepThought]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Man you sure hate Blacks don't you. There's plently of Black Geniuses. You have ZERO proof to back up your baseless assertion.

I have the whole of human history, in which no black intellectual has emerged to be worthy of the title genius.

I repeat the definition of genius for you because you are confusing it with IQ scores:

someone who has an extraordinary natural capacity of intellect, especially as shown in creative and original work in science, art, music, etc.

Below is a list of the 100 most influential people in human history compiled by historian Michael Hart. SOURCE

Not one sub-Saharan African name. Is that because of my hate?

So I ask again, give me the name of one black genius, one.

1 Muhammad Islam Prophet of Islam; conqueror of Arabia; Hart recognized that ranking Muhammad first might be controversial, but felt that, from a secular historian's perspective, this was the correct choice because Muhammad is the only man to have been both a founder of a major world religion and a major military/political leader. More
2 Isaac Newton Anglican (rejected Trinitarianism, i.e.,
Athanasianism; believed in the Arianism
of the Primitive Church) physicist; theory of universal gravitation; laws of motion
3 Jesus Christ * Judaism; Christianity founder of Christianity
4 Buddha Hinduism; Buddhism founder of Buddhism
5 Confucius Confucianism founder of Confucianism
6 St. Paul Judaism; Christianity proselytizer of Christianity
7 Ts'ai Lun Chinese traditional religion inventor of paper
8 Johann Gutenberg Catholic developed movable type; printed Bibles
9 Christopher Columbus Catholic explorer; led Europe to Americas
10 Albert Einstein Jewish physicist; relativity; Einsteinian physics
11 Louis Pasteur Catholic scientist; pasteurization
12 Galileo Galilei Catholic astronomer; accurately described heliocentric solar system
13 Aristotle Platonism / Greek philosophy influential Greek philosopher
14 Euclid Platonism / Greek philosophy mathematician; Euclidian geometry
15 Moses Judaism major prophet of Judaism
16 Charles Darwin Anglican (nominal); Unitarian biologist; described Darwinian evolution, which had theological impact on many religions
17 Shih Huang Ti Chinese traditional religion Chinese emperor
18 Augustus Caesar Roman state paganism ruler
19 Nicolaus Copernicus Catholic (priest) astronomer; taught heliocentricity
20 Antoine Laurent Lavoisier Catholic father of modern chemistry; philosopher; economist
21 Constantine the Great Roman state paganism; Christianity Roman emperor who completely legalized Christianity, leading to its status as state religion. Convened the First Council of Nicaea that produced the Nicene Creed, which rejected Arianism (one of two major strains of Christian thought) and established Athanasianism (Trinitarianism, the other strain) as "official doctrine."
22 James Watt Presbyterian (lapsed) developed steam engine
23 Michael Faraday Sandemanian physicist; chemist; discovery of magneto-electricity
24 James Clerk Maxwell Presbyterian; Anglican; Baptist physicist; electromagnetic spectrum
25 Martin Luther Catholic; Lutheran founder of Protestantism and Lutheranism
26 George Washington Episcopalian first president of United States
27 Karl Marx Jewish; Lutheran;
Atheist; Marxism/Communism founder of Marxism, Marxist Communism
28 Orville and Wilbur Wright United Brethren inventors of airplane
29 Genghis Khan Mongolian shamanism Mongol conqueror
30 Adam Smith Liberal Protestant economist; philosopher; expositor of capitalism; author: The Theory of Moral Sentiments
31 Edward de Vere
a.k.a. William Shakespeare Catholic; Anglican literature; also wrote 6 volumes about philosophy and religion
32 John Dalton Quaker chemist; physicist; atomic theory; law of partial pressures (Dalton's law)
33 Alexander the Great Greek state paganism conqueror
34 Napoleon Bonaparte Catholic (nominal) French conqueror
35 Thomas Edison Congregationalist; agnostic inventor of light bulb, phonograph, etc.
36 Antony van Leeuwenhoek Dutch Reformed microscopes; studied microscopic life
37 William T.G. Morton ?? pioneer in anesthesiology
38 Guglielmo Marconi Catholic and Anglican inventor of radio
39 Adolf Hitler Nazism; born/raised in, but rejected Catholicism conqueror; led Axis Powers in WWII
40 Plato Platonism / Greek philosophy founder of Platonism
41 Oliver Cromwell Puritan (Protestant) British political and military leader
42 Alexander Graham Bell Unitarian/Universalist inventor of telephone *
43 Alexander Fleming Catholic penicillin; advances in bacteriology, immunology and chemotherapy
44 John Locke raised Puritan (Anglican);
Liberal Christian philosopher and liberal theologian
45 Ludwig van Beethoven Catholic composer
46 Werner Heisenberg Lutheran a founder of quantum mechanics; discovered principle of uncertainty; head of Nazi Germany's nuclear program
47 Louis Daguerre ?? an inventor/pioneer of photography
48 Simon Bolivar Catholic (nominal); Atheist National hero of Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, and Bolivia
49 Rene Descartes Catholic Rationalist philosopher and mathematician
50 Michelangelo Catholic painter; sculptor; architect
51 Pope Urban II Catholic called for First Crusade
52 'Umar ibn al-Khattab Islam Second Caliph; expanded Muslim empire
53 Asoka Buddhism king of India who converted to and spread Buddhism
54 St. Augustine Greek state paganism; Manicheanism; Catholic Early Christian theologian
55 William Harvey Anglican (nominal) described the circulation of blood; wrote Essays on the Generation of Animals, the basis for modern embryology
56 Ernest Rutherford ?? physicist; pioneer of subatomic physics
57 John Calvin Protestant; Calvinism Protestant reformer; founder of Calvinism
58 Gregor Mendel Catholic (Augustinian monk) Mendelian genetics
59 Max Planck Protestant physicist; thermodynamics
60 Joseph Lister Quaker principal discoverer of antiseptics which greatly reduced surgical mortality
61 Nikolaus August Otto ?? built first four-stroke internal combustion engine
62 Francisco Pizarro Catholic Spanish conqueror in South America; defeated Incas
63 Hernando Cortes Catholic conquered Mexico for Spain; through war and introduction of new diseases he largely destroyed Aztec civilization
64 Thomas Jefferson Episcopalian; Deist 3rd president of United States
65 Queen Isabella I Catholic Spanish ruler
66 Joseph Stalin Russian Orthodox; Atheist; Marxism revolutionary and ruler of USSR
67 Julius Caesar Roman state paganism Roman emperor
68 William the Conqueror Catholic laid foundation of modern England
69 Sigmund Freud Jewish; atheist; Freudian psychology/psychoanalysis founded Freudian school of psychology/psychoanalysis (i.e., the "religion of Freudianism")
70 Edward Jenner Anglican discoverer of the vaccination for smallpox
71 Wilhelm Conrad Roentgen ?? discovered X-rays
72 Johann Sebastian Bach Lutheran; Catholic composer
73 Lao Tzu Taoism founder of Taoism
74 Voltaire raised in Jansenism;
later Deist writer and philosopher; wrote Candide
75 Johannes Kepler Lutheran astronomer; planetary motions
76 Enrico Fermi Catholic initiated the atomic age; father of atom bomb
77 Leonhard Euler Calvinist physicist; mathematician; differential and integral calculus and algebra
78 Jean-Jacques Rousseau born Protestant;
converted as a teen to Catholic;
later Deist French deistic philosopher and author
79 Nicoli Machiavelli Catholic wrote The Prince (influential political treatise)
80 Thomas Malthus Anglican (cleric) economist; wrote Essay on the Principle of Population
81 John F. Kennedy Catholic U.S. President who led first successful effort by humans to travel to another "planet"
82 Gregory Pincus Jewish endocrinologist; developed birth-control pill
83 Mani Manicheanism founder of Manicheanism, once a world religion which rivaled Christianity in strength
84 Lenin Russian Orthodox;
Atheist; Marxism/Communism Russian ruler
85 Sui Wen Ti Chinese traditional religion unified China
86 Vasco da Gama Catholic navigator; discovered route from Europe to India around Cape Hood
87 Cyrus the Great Zoroastrianism founder of Persian empire
88 Peter the Great Russian Orthodox forged Russia into a great European nation
89 Mao Zedong Atheist; Communism; Maoism founder of Maoism, Chinese form of Communism
90 Francis Bacon Anglican philosopher; delineated inductive scientific method
91 Henry Ford Protestant developed automobile; achievement in manufacturing and assembly
92 Mencius Confucianism philosopher; founder of a school of Confucianism
93 Zoroaster Zoroastrianism founder of Zoroastrianism
94 Queen Elizabeth I Anglican British monarch; restored Church of England to power after Queen Mary
95 Mikhail Gorbachev Russian Orthodox Russian premier who helped end Communism in USSR
96 Menes Egyptian paganism unified Upper and Lower Egypt
97 Charlemagne Catholic Holy Roman Empire created with his baptism in 800 AD
98 Homer Greek paganism epic poet
99 Justinian I Catholic Roman emperor; reconquered Mediterranean empire; accelerated Catholic-Monophysite schism
100 Mahavira Hinduism; Jainism founder of Jainism

 

[DeepThought]

You have zero proof. The Journey of Man proved, beyond a reason of a doubt that Black Africans populated the entire continent of Africa. That's the difference between facts and conjecture. I have them, you don't.

I've already debunked this Nefertiti nonsense in another thread.

The Discovery Channel is sensationally trying to increase its ratings amongst black viewers and garner some attention.

It's not science.

Like I said, sub-Saharan Africans have been living freely for over 100,000 years in the same region and yet no evidence of any cultural progress of any worth in all that vast amount of time.

 

[Ganymede]

I have the whole of human history, in which no black intellectual has emerged to be worthy of the title genius.

I repeat the definition of genius for you because you are confusing it with IQ scores:


Below is a list of the 100 most influential people in human history compiled by historian Michael Hart. SOURCE

Not one sub-Saharan African name. Is that because of my hate?

So I ask again, give me the name of one black genius, one.

I can name plently, however, that would be subjective, just as your list is. And there's no fucking way a ficticious religous figure is considered a genius. Nice try but you failed to prove that there's no Black Geniuses.

 

[Ganymede]

I've already debunked this Nefertiti nonsense in another thread.

The Discovery Channel is sensationally trying to increase its ratings amongst black viewers and garner some attention.

It's not science.

Like I said, sub-Saharan Africans have been living freely for over 100,000 years in the same region and yet no evidence of any cultural progress of any worth in all that vast amount of time.

Please link your source that debunks the Discovery Channels conclusions.

I'm waiting. You didn't debunk shit.

 

[DeepThought]

I can name plently, however, that would be subjective, just as your list is. And there's no fucking way a ficticious religous figure is considered a genius. Nice try but you failed to prove that there's no Black Geniuses.

I don't need to prove a negative.

Just name them and their achievements.

 

[DeepThought]

Please link your source that debunks the Discovery Channels conclusions.

The Discovery Channel is not a peer-reviewed scientific journal.

It is a television channel aimed at entertaining people..

Posting pictures that belong in an art gallery is not proof of anything.

You need to bring DNA evidence or similar, written up in a scientific journal and peer-reviewed.

Again, if you are making these claims you need to provide the evidence.

 

[Ganymede]

The Discovery Channel is not a peer-reviewed scientific journal.

It is a television channel aimed at entertaining people..

Posting pictures that belong in an art gallery is not proof of anything.

You need to bring DNA evidence or similar, written up in a scientific journal and peer-reviewed.

Again, if you are making these claims you need to provide the evidence.

Ok, so now the most respected Scientific Channel on Television is just entertaining, not doing any real science. :crazy:

Ok, so lets get into the Science of it all. So here, I will show you why Egyptians are not Caucassions.

Blood group A is found in the highest concentrations among western Europeans. Unlike blood groups B and O, there are many varieties of group A. The major grouping, A1, accounts for about ninety-five percent of all A blood. The largest subgroup, A2, is found principally in Northern Caucasians. A2 is found in very high concentration in Iceland and Scandinavia, particularly among the Lapps, ancient settlers of the area. They are almost unique in their high frequency of A, and have the highest frequency of A2, registering forty-two percent in one group. The A2 gene is almost entirely confined to Caucasian populations.

http://www.dadamo.com/napharm/store3/template2/encyclopedia.html


Blood Type of Egyptian Mummies

Abstract

Serological and histological examinations of the muscles of the calf of an Egyptian mummy dated between the third and first centuries B.C. were performed. Human protein was identified, the ABO phenotype was determined as type B, and morphological disruption of the cells was observed.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...serid=10&md5=1caa16c912e68f61b2c15564b8e2b879

An international multidisciplinary team performed an autopsy on the mummy of Nakht, a 16-year-old Egyptian boy who died 3200 years ago.

The blood cells recovered from Nakht are believed to be the oldest known preserved human red and white blood cells. The authors also believe that the testing techniques employed in this study are reliable and hence feel confident that the Egyptian boy Nakht, who is 3200 years old, was blood group B.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&uid=684801&cmd=showdetailview&indexed=google

What Blood group do most Africans belong to?

There are routine shortages of O and B blood types. African Americans have more type O and B blood than other populations.

http://www.lifeshare.org/facts/raretraits.htm

So, I've proved, SCIENTIFICALLY that the predominant blood group of Egytian mummies was blood group B. The same blood group that's predominant amongst Africans today!

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