Obama: Belongs to a racist religious organisation

[Ganymede]

Obama's church: More about Africa than God?
Chicago congregation has 'non-negotiable commitment' to 'mother continent'

While some election commentators are looking carefully at the level of devotion Obama has to Islam, it is the strong African-centered and race-based philosophy of the senator's United Church of Christ that has some bloggers crying foul.

The first paragraph of the "About Us" section of the church's website mentions the word "black" or "Africa" five times:

We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian. ... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.

The church seems to place Africa and African people before God.
It says nothing about other races in their community or a commitment to help the people in their community....

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59600

Good for them.

 

[sandy]

Yeah. Good for racism.

But if it was whites doing this you would be outraged and screeching "racism!"

Wake up and smell the hypocrisy.

 

[Ganymede]

Yeah. Good for racism.

But if it was whites doing this you would be outraged and screeching "racism!"

Wake up and smell the hypocrisy.

What act of racsim did they commit? Who did they lynch? When did they burn crosses in someones yard? When did they hold public rallies denouncing the other races? Please provide some evidence, besides your interpetation of the facts.

 

[sandy]

Racism isn't just an act. It's a belief/attitude. These supremacists are dangerous.

 

[Ganymede]

Racism isn't just an act. It's a belief/attitude. These supremacists are dangerous.

That's what I thought. Not a shred of evidence. So now you're the thought police. Having White, Black, or Brown pride isn't racist.

 

[mplslady]

The bottom line is this. This country was started by and continues to be run by a select group of White males. During and after slavery African Americans were treated unfairly because of their race. There is no denying that. Period. After slavery, African Americans continued to be treated differently and this is still the case. African Americans therefore had no choice but to form their own organizations -- churches, schools, businesses, social organizations, etc. They most certainly could not join the White organizations and entities. You can hardly expect they'd discontinue the organizations that in many cases served as their only social, educational or religious outlets until recently. And even though we are not living in the "Jim Crow" now, the reality, African Americans are still not accepted in many organizations -- if they are it is done begrudginly.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with continuing to have self reliance when the majority has had no desire to see you succeed. This is not not a supremicst attitude; instead, it is the attitude of one -- a people who want to survive.

There was a poster that included many Irish groups, etc. Thank you for that. There are many such groups for different European groups, etc. So to say there are no White groups is completely ridiculous.

Finally, the posters who have said that U.S. History is White history is completely correct. Think about how many African Americans you read about in a high school or middle school or grade school U.S. history class, and my guess is there were very few -- Martin Luther King, Jr., Rosa Parks, Malcolm X and maybe Harriett Tubman and Sojourner Truth. Now, think about how many White people you learned about -- there were so many, I can't decide where to start!

Obama's church is not a racist organization. If you see it that way, you are part of the problem as far as I'm concerened. It's a very well know Illinois church that preaches self reliance among the African American community along with it's message of salvation through Jesus Christ. I see nothing wrong with that.

 

[Pandaemoni]

The reasons why you can't have "white" organizations are several, none of which is to say that there is anything wrong with appreciating "white" culture/* in the abstract:

(1) The Caucasians who have used the label "white" have ruined it. It has picked up the subtext of "racism" because racists have dominated its use. If I were to tell you "I am a Hamburger" you'd probably think I was a delicious sandwich, not that i am from the city of Hamburg. Even though the latter makes much more sense in context, it is not the first image that occurs to most people first. Same reason. The word "hamburger" is used a certain way, you get used to it in that context, and it starts to feel out of place when used differently.

(2) The birth of many race specific groups arose because those groups are still new to the "equality" thing. Those sorts of groups helped foster the movement that took us towards equality. Whites don't need groups chiming in for their equality, because we've always been in the superior position. We still are, though the disparity is less than it once was.

(3) Other race (and nationality) specific groups pop up because it is hard for a minority to meet and interact with others of the same classification, and we as humans feel some weird tie to "our culture". Whites don't need those sorts of groups to meet other whites. Whites are everywhere. Someday, as the demographics shift that might not be true and then you might see more of a push for these sorts of things (subject to issues (1) and (2)).

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/* Another problem is that "white culture" in the sense I'm thinking of it is a sort of stereotypical American cultures, of the sort with which most American Caucasians would identify...problem being that culture isn't "white" as most non-white Americans spend a good portion of their lives conforming to the same culture. At the same time, in other contexts, their behavior (even speech patterns) change in situations where they believe themselves to outside of that "white culture." Since that is such a multi-racial culture to begin with, "white" could well be a misnomer. Stated differently, *almost all* non-whites are a part of that "white culture" using the concept I have in mind, many just split their time between that culture and a different one to which they also feel they belong.

 

[spidergoat]

To do anything. Whites can NOT have ANY kind of org promoting their white pride, white whatever. They would be flamed into oblivion for "racism".

Because white already dominate everything in this country! Blacks are the ones who need to fight the dominant message of the whites in power (historically, not as much these days), that they are stupid and worthless.

 

[Tiassa]

Bull

Pay attention next time.

They have dozens of "historically black colleges and universities". I know of no white universitites.

If you'd paid attention last time, you would be able to anticipate my response. There was never any need for "white" universities. Until the latter half of the twentieth century, most universities were white, and those that we now call "historically black colleges and universities" were founded so that blacks could have someplace to go.

Remember that an empowered majority is considered normal, so whatever attributes that group possesses are inherent in the institutions and ideas of their time.

Here's about 100 more black orgs

Your point being?

Or, more specifically, your point that doesn't ignore the course of history being?

 

[DeepThought]

"historically black colleges and universities" were founded so that blacks could have someplace to go.

And doesn't this really sum up the shallow nature of it all?

Someplace to go.

Where are the Asian colleges and universities?

Oh, I forget, Asians don't need to create the illusion of intellectualism to cover up an embarrassing hole, they are an intelligent people who can compete against whites in any intellectual arena.

But, go on, give me some names of black geniuses...preferably unconnected with civil rights.

Remember that an empowered majority is considered normal,

Dont'cha just love that word - empowerment.

Every time the space shuttle blasts off I sit in my armchair empowering its engines.

I'm sure if I don't they won't work.

We must believe Tiassa because without belief nothing would work, would it?

Time to give up the ghost maybe.

 

[sandy]

Because white already dominate everything in this country! Blacks are the ones who need to fight the dominant message of the whites in power (historically, not as much these days), that they are stupid and worthless.

That's not a good reason. We NEVER say "white" this or "white" that. We are all-inclusive. We welcome everyone. So why discriminate against us by saying the "black" this or the "black" that?

Whites in power do NOT send out the message that blacks are stupid or worthless. They welcome everyone.

 

[Bells]

That's not a good reason. We NEVER say "white" this or "white" that. We are all-inclusive. We welcome everyone. So why discriminate against us by saying the "black" this or the "black" that?

Ummm.. You do not need to say "white this or that". The assumption is already there. How can I put it.. It's just how it has always been. Anyway, wasn't it you who said:

The next president will be a white man.
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Lets face it, the office of the President has been solely the domain of 'white men' in the past. You are hoping it will continue in the future.

Whites in power do NOT send out the message that blacks are stupid or worthless. They welcome everyone.

They don't? Really?

Would you like to tell the predominantly black victims of Katrina that? You know, the innocent one's who were left to stagnate amongst corpses for days, without food or water while the white men in power tried to decide what to do? I am sure they felt they actually meant something to the white people in power. And I'm sure they felt welcomed in their own country when they were left with no aid for days.

 

[sandy]

Wasn't it you who said the next president will be a white man....Would you like to tell the predominantly black victims of Katrina that? You know, the innocent one's who were left to stagnate amongst corpses for days, without food or water while the white men in power tried to decide what to do?

Yes, because the next POTUS will be a Republican and all the candidates are white men. It has nothing to do with race.

Katrina's aftermath was a disaster due to NO mayor "chocolate" Nagin. He was an abomination of a leader. I'm sure you know the whole story by now: hundreds of sitting, empty buses, people who refused to leave, shooting at FEMA, looting...W begged the pathetic liberal governor to get the people out. She was too busy being stupid/ineffective/idiotic.

Back on topic, Obama puts in an occasional appearance at a racist, black supremacist "church". He should be ashamed of himself. But at least it keeps the reporters dumbed down.

 

[shichimenshyo]

Its obviously not a racist orginization by almost everyones standards, hence why there is no huge media frenzy over it.

 

[sandy]

Its obviously not a racist orginization by almost everyones standards, hence why there is no huge media frenzy over it.

Of course it is but B HUSSEIN Obama gets a free pass because the media loves him.

 

[shichimenshyo]

Of course it is but B HUSSEIN Obama gets a free pass because the media loves him.

Or because its no big deal and you are trying to make it one

 

[James R]

sandy:

Remind me. When was the last time the Republican party ran a black Presidential candidate?

 

[sandy]

Never. We never ran a chick either. But we have plenty of black Senators, Governors, Congressmen etc...

W has more blacks in his cabinet than any previous POTUS.

We love black people.

 

[shichimenshyo]

Never. We never ran a chick either. But we have plenty of black Senators, Governors, Congressmen etc...

W has more blacks in his cabinet than any previous POTUS.

We love black people.

You just dont love helping poor impoverished ones =p

 

[Bells]

Yes, because the next POTUS will be a Republican and all the candidates are white men. It has nothing to do with race.

Of course it doesn't. That's why you have no black candidates running. That's why you will not have a black candidate. And that is why you are so obsessed that the next POTUS be a religious white man.

Katrina's aftermath was a disaster due to NO mayor "chocolate" Nagin. He was an abomination of a leader. I'm sure you know the whole story by now: hundreds of sitting, empty buses, people who refused to leave, shooting at FEMA, looting...W begged the pathetic liberal governor to get the people out. She was too busy being stupid/ineffective/idiotic.

But yet in the aftermath, when the 'white people' took over, the rescue of those stranded was still ineffectual and pathetic. I wonder if the victims had been rich and white, whether more aid would not have flooded to the area immediately.

Back on topic, Obama puts in an occasional appearance at a racist, black supremacist "church". He should be ashamed of himself. But at least it keeps the reporters dumbed down.

The church is a black supremacist organisation? Since when? Every single link presented so far says nothing of the sort. Do you have proof that the Trinity Church is a black supremacist organisation?

Never. We never ran a chick either. But we have plenty of black Senators, Governors, Congressmen etc..

That's akin to someone who calls blacks 'nigger losers' saying 'I'm not racist, I have lots of black friends'.

So why hasn't the Republican Party placed any of these black members or women on the ticket?

W has more blacks in his cabinet than any previous POTUS.

Could that be because he is trying to appeal to black voters?

We love black people.

That's why you have one running for President under the Republican ticket.. Oh wait.. that's not you, is it?