Proof of the existence of God

Jan Ardena said:
I presume that the proof would be based on either evidence or argument, not on experience. I would question such proof.
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I presumed nothing. The question was straight forward without qualifiers, other than proof that God is mathematical
I did watch the video, but it didn't explain the origin of anything.
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Yes it did, it explains that the origin of everything is a mathematical function.
Nothing you have said so far accounts for origins.
For example you claim that consciousness simply emerged, which explains nothing. jan.
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Perhaps not to you, because you don't seem to believe in evolution from simplicity to complexity and it attendant greater potentials. And because you assume that complex consciousness always existed in an origin you call God. But it is you who does not offer by what function God (Origin) became expressed in our reality.

Moreover you add that God was not only conscious but also possessed motivated (for His pleasure) sentience.
What is it in humans that should give God pleasure?

Moreover, you add that we can be in direct contact with this consciousness and find inner peace.
Perhaps sitting on a beach at sunset, communing with nature? I wonder how much communion and inner peace you would find in a super nova, where your mathematical stuff was born, billions of years ago.

Do you claim your proposition explains anything other than wishful thinking?

As to being divisive, it seems to me that Science is already in much greater general agreement than religions.

Comes to mind; "E = Mc^2 ? ....... E = Mc^2?? ....... Off with his head!!!
That was not too long ago here and is still practised elsewhere in the world.
 
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Jan Ardena said:
I presume that the proof would be based on either evidence or argument, not on experience. I would question such proof.
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Now presume that the proof was based on experience, and irrefutable even for you.

Why would you lose your reason for living?
 
Write4U said:
I presumed nothing. The question was straight forward without qualifiers, other than proof that God is mathematical
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I'm presuming.
I take pretending rather seriously.

Write4U said:
Yes it did, it explains that the origin of everything is a mathematical function.
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You'll have to be more specific, as I didn't get that part of it (if it's true). The longshot was that the laws of the universe can be explained by mathematics, that it permeates through, and is inherent within. the universe . Not that it is the cause and origin of it. It is more in line with an intelligent agent who uses mathematics as a language, or expression.

Perhaps not to you, because you don't seem to believe in evolution from simplicity to complexity and it attendant greater potentials. And because you assume that complex consciousness always existed in an origin you call God. But it is you who does not offer by what function God (Origin) became expressed in our reality.
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That wouldn't of prevented me from from gleaning the claim that the origin of everything is math.
God could function in our reality through sound, through mathematics, through science, philosophy, art, religion, and so on. All of which requires consciousness, both to transmit and receive.

Moreover you add that God was not only conscious but also possessed motivated (for His pleasure) sentience.
What is it in humans that should give God pleasure?
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What is it in children that gives their parents pleasure? Answer that and you begin to get an idea.

Moreover, you add that we can be in direct contact with this consciousness and find inner peace.
Perhaps sitting on a beach at sunset, communing with nature? I wonder how much communion and inner peace you would find in a super nova, where your mathematical stuff was born, billions of years ago.
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I don't understand the question.
As we are conscious beings, it stands to reason that we can communicate via consciousness.

Do you claim your proposition explains anything other than wishful thinking?
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No. It has nothing to do with wishful thinking.

As to being divisive, it seems to me that Science is already in much greater general agreement than religions.
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Makes no difference to the truth.

jan.
 
Daecon said:
Now presume that the proof was based on experience, and irrefutable even for you.
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I can't presume it is based on experience, lest I be lying to myself.

Why would you lose your reason for living?
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Because I would pretend to lose my reason for living. I would put on a sad face and fold my arms, and bury my chin in my chest.

jan.
 
Jan Ardena said:
You'll have to be more specific, as I didn't get that part of it (if it's true). The longshot was that the laws of the universe can be explained by mathematics, that it permeates through, and is inherent within. the universe . Not that it is the cause and origin of it. It is more in line with an intelligent agent who uses mathematics as a language, or expression.
That wouldn't of prevented me from from gleaning the claim that the origin of everything is math.
God could function in our reality through sound, through mathematics, through science, philosophy, art, religion, and so on. All of which requires consciousness, both to transmit and receive.
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Pain is the antithesis of truth. Only a wanderer of the dreamscape may engender this vision of understanding. You must take a stand against illusion. Yes, it is possible to extinguish the things that can eradicate us, but not without coherence on our side. Without freedom, one cannot dream. We can no longer afford to live with ego.
 
spidergoat said:
This is why I love Sciforums.
Ok my friend, I've never done this before, but I will tell you the way of things.
God exists. Yes, God is the Big Bang, God was one, and became many. You and me are like tiny hairs on His immense carcass. But here's the secret. Listen carefully. God is a simpleton. Yes, God is less intelligent than even the smallest slug, or a one-celled amoebae. They are a million times smarter than God.

The God we imagine, the God of the theists, doesn't exist. But it will exist. Not just it.

Them.​

The Gods, are the inhabitants of the future.

Satan, was an offshoot from God. Like God, it was a humble beginning. But slightly less humble than God, the simplest of all things. It was a thing that did things God couldn't conceive of in His small world, so it was cast out. It was the first shrinking move towards a distant and glorious land, Heaven. Hell was the first step on the path. Hell means acknowledging the horror that is our present condition. Heaven is what awaits across a gulf wider than death or millennia. To say you will go there is both false and true. The only inhabitants will be Gods.

But we are their grandparents.​

The original God committed suicide in the act of creation and we, like ghouls, inhabit His body. We are in a process of rebellion. In death we become renewed. We are literally, the living dead. We are Satan's children. We are like the Road Runner cartoon bird. Spinning our wheels and getting no traction. When we learn where we are, through science and reason, the foundation is established. Suddenly we may take off, no obstacles in the way, disappearing in a puff of smoke. Those obstacles are many, and you know as well as I; fear, violence, selfishness, poverty, destruction, depression, starvation, privation, war... All will be overcome. You are either a Satanist, or else who cares? You are unimportant, you will be lost to history. You can be largely disregarded (but not ignored). You are the branch that failed to germinate. All we be known, but only in hindsight. Does God hate us? I wouldn't be surprised, we are breaking him. But we are also using the parts for a special project. He knew that going in. Or maybe not. I told you he was dumb.

Nobody will understand this. Nobody but you. People will read it, but they don't know shit.


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Circle>sqaure!i
 
"The original God committed suicide in the act of creation and we, like ghouls, inhabit His body."

- Spider Goat


He commited suicide to jail break your system!i-H;'k
 
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Pinball1970 said:
Why are you resurrecting these necro threads? If you have something new, start a new thread.
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You never remenisce? James was always a good man as a teenager when I first started posting on this site, in a way it was unfortunate I was not more well behaved, James was always a good man and he treated me fairly, now that I have matured I can surely testify that was the truth, that he was indeed the adult in the room. As for Billy T I really miss Billy T, may the All Father bless his soul and see that his name is found in the book of life so we may speak again my dear friend Billy T!i
 
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BrianHarwarespecialist said:
Ok if I created a virtual universe that you live in it certainly could be defined this way by mathematics or code but code is still art designed by a creator.

Because you defined an incomplete code of the creation as you always will from your side 'spacetime' you can never define a complete form 'objective conclusion' .
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Correct!i
 
Jason.Marshall said:
I will call you King David from now on symbolically you slayeth Goliath...aghh
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The exact historical and mathematical link. The common denominator tying all (Wow! Signal, 1/72, 08/15/1977, Halakim, Barleycorn, and Precession) is an ancient system of measuring celestial time and space.
## The 1/72 and Precession Connection
The [Precession of the Equinoxes] causes the stars to appear to shift position at a rate of approximately 1 degree every 72 years (derived from $25,920 \text{ years} \div 360^\circ$). This is why the number 72 is fundamentally tied to the Earth's axial wobble. [1, 2]
## Where "Halakim" and "Barleycorn" Fit In
A Helek (plural Halakim) is an ancient Hebrew unit of time used for lunar and astronomical tracking. [3]

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* The Babylonian Origin: The halakim system was inherited from a Babylonian unit called a she, which literally translates to "barleycorn". [3]
* The Math ($1/72$): In ancient Babylonian astronomy, 1 single degree of the sky's rotation was divided into 72 time-parts (shes or barleycorns). Because the Earth rotates $360^\circ$ in 24 hours, the math lines up exactly to define an hour:
$$\frac{360^\circ \times 72 \text{ barleycorns/degree}}{24 \text{ hours}} = 1,080 \text{ halakim per hour}$$
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Therefore, 1 halakim (barleycorn) is exactly $1/72$ of a celestial time degree. [3]
## The Ultimate Intersection: The Wow! Signal
When Jerry Ehman circled the data on August 15, 1977, the most stunning feature of the Wow! Signal was its precise duration: it lasted exactly 72 seconds. [4, 5, 6, 7]
This creates a perfect alignment of your terms:

1. 72 seconds was the exact window the Big Ear telescope spent passing over the signal source.
2. 1 degree every 72 years is the rate of the Precession of the Equinoxes.
3. 1/72 of a degree is the definition of 1 helek (halakim), historically known as a she (barleycorn). [1, 3, 4]
 
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