Pope calls for palestinian state...

[ElectricFetus]

Its still nominally Palestinian.

according to you all of it nominally Palestine, so what could the israelis give up?

Well your taking out of context. Sometimes innocents get shafted in the course of justice is what I said.

then its not justices.

The river Jordan ring a bell?

they can't suck enough from the jordan river, their at 95% of available fresh water in utilization they need the aquifers in the west bank and it is the biggest reasons why they want to retain specific areas of the west bank, aside for religious areas of course.

You can call it what ever the fuck you like it doesn't change the fact your damn yellow to see more dead now if iut means less dead later.

Because despite your claims it doesn't involve the lowest death toll. If anything your plan would increase the violence and death toll by not inflicting any cost on Israel which would be viewed by the Palestinians as condoning their actions.

Your logic is non-existent, if the Palestinians are given resources and jobs they won't care about getting revenge, your saying the South Africans years after apartheid decided they wanted revenge and killed all the white South Africans! Your to fucking hateful to allow Israelis to not die.

I'm not you are you lying Israeli ass kissing slanderer.

that the best reply you can make, validating my claims?

A lot. You only see what you want to see.

look in the mirror, or am i not an Israeli ass kisser to you?

At last you show your true colors as a bigot. No wonder you are against justice you don'ty even believe the Palestinians to be a people. Wouldn't be the first time the Israelis and Jordinians teamed up to deny the Palestinians their rights.

How are they not people? what are they really aliens in disguise and ever night they shave off their human skin and breath drier lint? Well as long as they are sentient beings I think they are deserving of a lot of rights, more so the ones in Jordan who represent the majority of the Jordanian population, this include those descended from Palestinian refugees and the fact many west bankers and gazans have Jordanian citizenship and all of them are eligible for it. If Jordan were to become a democracy it would become Palestine, providing the palestinians with "self-determination" and a large state with more resources.

Because they would lack the room to absorb all those displaced by Israeli aggression and wouldn't have the resources to build up an economy to support the military needed to defend themselves against Israel and Jordan

Waters is plenty a resource, gaza as sea access, look at Luxembourg and Monaco, they have less land then the westbank and gaza, Monaco has no military and Luxembourg has a military of 800 and no navy or air force and both stand no chance if their neighbors were to annex them, yet they don't worry they thrive.

 

[S.A.M.]

they can't suck enough from the jordan river, their at 95% of available fresh water in utilization they need the aquifers in the west bank and it is the biggest reasons why they want to retain specific areas of the west bank, aside for religious areas of course. .

And what about the Palestinians? Its their water, or have you forgotten that?

Because the Israelis certainly have:

One example of this vastly unequal division of water resources is my West Bank village of Qira. Every summer the Israeli company that supplies water to our village and that provides about 53 percent of the total Palestinian domestic water supply deliberately cuts off our water, thus generating a crisis. Last year Qira, a village of 1,000 residents, had no water for more than three continuous weeks, despite the summer heat.

Water reductions and total cuts force villagers to find alternative water sources. We collect rainwater in cisterns during the winter, but by the start of the summer, the cisterns, unfortunately, run dry. Palestinian communities are thus obliged to purchase additional water from expensive and unsanitary tankers. A high proportion of children in Qira suffer from kidney problems thought to be related to drinking stagnant water. My 4-year-old daughter was forced to have a kidney transplant.

Across the main road from Qira, deep inside the West Bank, is the Israeli settlement of Ariel, where water is supplied to irrigate gardens, wash cars and fill swimming pools. The water in Ariel and other Israeli settlements is never cut off. Ironically, we feel lucky because we look out onto beautiful settlement houses with green yards, while Israeli settlers view the gloomy scene of our poor, parched community.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060626/taamallah

I would rather give the water to Palestinians and have them provide it to the Israelis. At least, the Palestinians have a heart.

 

[ElectricFetus]

And what about the Palestinians? Its their water, or have you forgotten that?

Because the Israelis certainly have:

I would rather give the water to Palestinians and have them provide it to the Israelis.

Where did you get the idea I was saying the opposite?

At least, the Palestinians have a heart.

rrriiiggggghhhhtttttt.

 

[fedr808]

Is that why they behead soldiers?

Or fire rockets?

They did both of those before that incident.

 

[Arsalan]

Is that why they behead soldiers?

Or fire rockets?

They did both of those before that incident.

Whats the difference between beheading and killing by guns and or bombings? People die in both. Is one somehow worse than the other?

 

[ElectricFetus]

Whats the difference between beheading and killing by guns and or bombings? People die in both. Is one somehow worse than the other?

Yes their is, for example if no one was attacking the Israelis they would not be bombing the Palestinians, or doing check points or forbidding them from entry and labor in israel, while if Israel had no defense the terrorist claim they would overrun and kill them all.

 

[Arsalan]

Yes their is, for example if no one was attacking the Israelis they would not be bombing the Palestinians, or doing check points or forbidding them from entry and labor in israel, while if Israel had no defense the terrorist claim they would overrun and kill them all.

Thats got nothing to do with my question but Ill bite: If the Irgun and their supporters hadnt terrorised the Arabs and British and hadnt continued to steal land that wasnt theirs, hadnt kicked out people that were living there, who still have the keys and deeds, and hadnt bombed and killed them, there would be no need for the resistance we see today and the conflict would have been long over. However, since almost half of America thinks that the Jews are Gods Chosen who need to live in a land called Israel, otherwise Jesus wont return, we have the worlds superpower not being fair to both sides and hence prolonging the conflict.

 

[fedr808]

Whats the difference between beheading and killing by guns and or bombings? People die in both. Is one somehow worse than the other?

yah, beheading POW's, is against the law.

 

[ElectricFetus]

Thats got nothing to do with my question but Ill bite: If the Irgun and their supporters hadnt terrorised the Arabs and British

We been through this before Irgun did not get the British out, nor were the arabs not terrorizing back.

and hadnt continued to steal land that wasnt theirs, hadnt kicked out people that were living there, who still have the keys and deeds, and hadnt bombed and killed them.

If the arabs did not attack then Irgun would not have become a full army capable of kicking out people, besides most Palestinians left by their own free will as the Arab armies moved in under the premise that the armies would kill all the jews off and they would go back home and get some new properties over the bodies and transjordan would live happily ever after... things did not go that way and now they are crying about having left their homes, tough tits. Maybe if they had reamined in place like the Israeli Arabs then they still would have their homes.

However, since almost half of America thinks that the Jews are Gods Chosen who need to live in a land called Israel, otherwise Jesus wont return, we have the worlds superpower not being fair to both sides and hence prolonging the conflict.

No truer words have been spoken.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

Originally Posted by Arsalan

However, since almost half of America thinks that the Jews are Gods Chosen who need to live in a land called Israel, otherwise Jesus wont return, we have the worlds superpower not being fair to both sides and hence prolonging the conflict.

Really, I have never been taught that, or even heard it as a theological idea.

He will come, when He will come, in his own time, not according to the whim of man.

Jesus is the Mhadi.

 

[ElectricFetus]

Really, I have never been taught that, or even heard it as a theological idea.

He will come, when He will come, in his own time, not according to the whim of man.

Jesus is the Mhadi.

and your ever American?

 

[Arsalan]

yah, beheading POW's, is against the law.

So is collective punishment. That aside, beheading or bombing: people die. Its the same thing.

 

[Arsalan]

We been through this before Irgun did not get the British out, nor were the arabs not terrorizing back.

Ya we have, so you know my response.

If the arabs did not attack then Irgun would not have become a full army capable of kicking out people, besides most Palestinians left by their own free will as the Arab armies moved in under the premise that the armies would kill all the jews off and they would go back home and get some new properties over the bodies and transjordan would live happily ever after... things did not go that way and now they are crying about having left their homes, tough tits. Maybe if they had reamined in place like the Israeli Arabs then they still would have their homes.

It wasnt as much as killing off the Jews, it was more the creation of a state completely different than the ones surrounding it, which had been created because of terrorism, on land that was promised to them for self determination.

 

[Arsalan]

Really, I have never been taught that, or even heard it as a theological idea.

He will come, when He will come, in his own time, not according to the whim of man.

Jesus is the Mhadi.

Knock yourself out:

http://www.rr-bb.com/

http://www.raptureforums.com/

 

[ElectricFetus]

So is collective punishment. That aside, beheading or bombing: people die. Its the same thing.

So if Israel accidentally bombs 30 kids, and some terrorist grabs 30 Israeli kids and chops off their heads, its the same thing? Given the choose I rather keep the ones that try to bomb armed aggressor from afar, then the ones that are so homicidal they can murder children with their bare hands.

 

[ElectricFetus]

Ya we have, so you know my response.

Which was something I debunked.

It wasnt as much as killing off the Jews, it was more the creation of a state completely different than the ones surrounding it, which had been created because of terrorism on land that was promised to them for self determination.

Yet it was not created because of terrorism, it was created because of hoards of Jews were going there and because the US strong armed Britain to make the UN manage a solution. The terrorism would have continue with no progresses if:
A) Their was no further influx of jews.
B) Britain was not getting bad press for oppressing the influx of jews and the local jewish population.
C) If the US did not threaten funding for Britain's post war reconstruction.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

Knock yourself out:

http://www.rr-bb.com/

http://www.raptureforums.com/

No you knock your self out, and show this as a main stream point of Christian Theology.

Actually from my point of view, the destruction of Israel will cause the end times, but then everybody has their point of view, the actual passage still is:

1 Thessaloians

5:1
Now, brothers, about times and dates we do not need to write to you,

5:2
for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night

5:3
While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.......................

No were in Thessaloians does it ever talk about Israel having to exist for the world to end.

 

[Arsalan]

Which was something I debunked.

No, you havent debunked my posts. Otherwise we wouldnt be having this conversation still.

Yet it was not created because of terrorism, it was created because of hoards of Jews were going there and because the US strong armed Britain to make the UN manage a solution. The terrorism would have continue with no progresses if:
A) Their was no further influx of jews.
B) Britain was not getting bad press for oppressing the influx of jews and the local jewish population.
C) If the US did not threaten funding for Britain's post war reconstruction.

if the British had not left the area after the Irgun terrorist attacks, there would be no state of Israel, there would have not been a war, there would be no displaced people and there would be an international presence in the area to keep things under contorl. However, since the British ran and left the area to the Jews, the states surrounding them were baffled that a state could just be created inbetween them out of terrorism without any international oversight and or control.

 

[Arsalan]

No you knock your self out, and show this as a main stream point of Christian Theology.

Actually from my point of view, the destruction of Israel will cause the end times, but then everybody has their point of view, the actual passage still is:

1 Thessaloians

5:1
Now, brothers, about times and dates we do not need to write to you,

5:2
for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night

5:3
While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.......................

No were in Thessaloians does it ever talk about Israel having to exist for the world to end.

Ofcourse, but the people that have been in power in the US, and have been able to influence decisions, and the same goes for the UK, have been advised by people who believe in that to help Israel and the Jews above all, because ultimately they will apparently be attacked by Gog/Magog and then Jesus will return and kill everyone who didnt support Israel.

 

[S.A.M.]

Actually from my point of view, the destruction of Israel will cause the end times

Why? And does it refer to Jews who are atheist or Jews who follow the dietary laws and keep the Shabbath? Or does the Bible not care if the Jews are compliant with the Torah? Or if the Jews had forcibly taken the land with violence or were given it as prophesied?