Derailing discussions? I see many posts in this thread that could also be accused of derailing considering the thread title is "
"On Chivalry and Sexual Violence"
depending of course in how much of a hard line view one takes.
Again, to make my point, I have given a few examples of false accusations. Do you see this as simply collateral damage with regards to pushing a cause?
Here's another I accidently came across.....
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...elf-after-being-accused-of-rape-a6676611.html
"A teenager killed himself after being accused of rape in an allegation that was withdrawn before it came to court, an inquest has heard."
Do you simply see this as a derailment tactic?
And the derailment continues.
1 in 5 women will be raped and/or sexually assaulted in her lifetime.
And when discussion around sexual violence is brought up, you and your #NotAllMen views always trot out the false accusation argument.. Something that is so rare, that its usage has been repeatedly found to not only derail the subject of rape, but also to silence women. It is insidious and frankly, pathetic and it again outs you in a way that you do not want to be outed.
And do you want to know why it is insidious?
Because you perpetrate a myth. False rape accusations are exceptionally rare. Frankly, your argument is tantamount to anti-vaxxers who take a few instances of people having a bad reaction to vaccines and going on and on about how vaccines cause autism, an argument that actively puts people's lives at risk. So too does your #NotAllMen and false accusation rebuttals that you resort to each and every single time you partake in these discussions. For someone who supposedly embraces science,
you peddle woo:
It’s difficult to determine exactly how many men have been falsely accused, but extrapolating from the number of men in America and the percentage of false reports (even using the highest estimates), it’s likely that fewer than 0.005 percent of American men are falsely accused each year.
Being falsely accused of a crime is, of course, very serious. But far from being some sort of epidemic requiring a campaign of self-protection, being falsely accused of sexual assault is very, very uncommon for American men. It’s far more common for men to be sexually assaulted.
According to CDC data gathered between 2010 and 2012, one in three women and one in six men have experienced some form of sexual violence involving physical contact. And a survey conducted earlier this year by the group Stop Street Harassment found that 81 percent of women and 43 percent of men had been harassed or assaulted at some point in their lives.
Sexual misconduct against men is probably underreported, Stewart told Vox. Male survivors of what others might see as sexual assault might describe the experience as hazing, physical abuse, or humiliation, Stewart said, and “if they talk to someone who says ‘it was abuse, it was rape,’ many men will psychologically go into hiding.”
American conceptions of sex, assault, and masculinity can make it harder for male survivors to come forward or even acknowledge their experiences to themselves, Stewart said. While women are often blamed for being sexually assaulted, they said, “for men, as opposed to saying, ‘it was your fault,’ the saying is, ‘it didn’t happen.’”
Men are assumed to always want sex: “if a boy has sex with a much older woman he’s somehow gotten lucky or scored,” Stewart said. This leaves men with unwanted sexual experiences feeling ignored or disbelieved. Men are also expected to be independent, in control, and powerful, which can make it hard for them to admit to an experience they didn’t want. And there’s a lack of public understanding that men’s bodies can respond to sexual contact even if that contact is unwelcome, Stewart said.
The #MeToo movement has actually inspired many male survivors to seek help. Traffic to the 1in6 website skyrocketed in 2017 as the movement grew, Stewart said. The group also saw an uptick in requests for services in the wake of Ford’s testimony.
“This is why we are so thankful, and I think many male survivors are so thankful, for things like #MeToo, for the courage of someone like Dr. Ford,” Stewart said. “It inspires survivors across all groups.”
Using #HimToo to focus on false allegations against men, meanwhile, can discourage all survivors from coming forward, they explained: “Seeing #HimToo used to support a man who has been accused of sexual abuse or assault explicitly casts doubt on a survivor’s story, thus enforcing secrecy over disclosure for male and female survivors alike.” And by dividing the conversation on the basis of gender, the hashtag “surely causes some male-identifying survivors to feel invisible in the conversation — the very thing #HimToo was seeking to ameliorate.”
Stop peddling woo and stop spreading what is tantamount to a myth. Because it is exceptionally rare. Your continued use of it literally detracts and silences victims and given how many times this has been pointed out to you, your continued use of these tactics can only be deemed to be a deliberate attempt to silence and diminish these crimes.
Let me again make myself clear Bells. The murderous arsehole who burnt his wife and kids is not worth considering, and personally I don't give a stuff about his state of mind. The same applies to the crazy Mother who drove her kids into a Dam.
I see nothing wrong in highlighting the two sides of a horrible coin. I don't see that as derailing the just woman's movement for equal rights in all respects.
You brought up two completely different issues into a thread that was discussing something else entirely.
A mentally disturbed woman driving her SUV laden with her children into a lake has nothing to do with sexual violence. Just as a domestic violence abuser setting his wife and kids on fire has nothing to do with sexual violence.
You were off topic, wrong, and you did it repeatedly to derail the thread. You literally peddle woo.
Stop doing it.
OK, do you have a story involving homosexuals and/or lesbians?
I can't say I have seen too many of later, but I am sure my opinion would not alter and dependent on the facts only.
Discussions about sexual violence encompass all victims of sexual violence. You assume we mean just female victims.
And you take it and run, you start peddling woo, you start changing the subject because #NotAllMen and then you start saying how good of a man you are.. You do it each time..
You really need to stop doing this.
You are not giving two sides of a coin. You are derailing threads and you effectively become a woo peddling troll.
The author is giving an opinion, one that I believe not to be entirely valid. The women's movement does not need that sort of extremism in my opinion.
Hey look, more sexism.. How strange and unusual from the man who twists himself into a pretzel to derail every thread he can when the subject matter is sexual violence, sexual harassment, etc..
Just stop.
You are not the only man who pulls this shit online, nor will you be the last.
This thread is not about false rape accusations, just as it is not about women or men murdering their children. Nor is it about you and whatever proclivities you have when it comes to your interactions with women.
Enough is enough.
was always leave the table after a meal, feeling as if you could eat a little bit more.