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[river]

Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter image by its HiRISE camera of the "Face on Mars".
Viking Orbiter image inset in bottom right corner.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cydonia_(region_of_Mars)
Since it was originally first imaged, the "face" has been accepted by scientists as an optical illusion, an example of the psychological phenomenon of pareidolia.[21][22][23] After analysis of the higher resolution Mars Global Surveyor data NASA stated that "a detailed analysis of multiple images of this feature reveals a natural looking Martian hill whose illusory face-like appearance depends on the viewing angle and angle of illumination".[24] Similar optical illusions can be found in the geology of Earth;[25] examples include the Old Man of the Mountain, the Sphinx, the Pedra da Gávea, the Old Man of Hoy,Stac Levenish and the Badlands Guardian.

The angle and the time of day make all the difference . When viewed directly over head ( and you can tell the angle of the photo by the crater beside the face ) .

John in the book gets into all of this . With indepth analysis .

 

[paddoboy]

The Face on Mars is not about " sinister " but the fact that it does exist .

It's simply an illusionary trick caused by reflection of light....nothing more, nothing less.

 

[paddoboy]

The angle and the time of day make all the difference . When viewed directly over head ( and you can tell the angle of the photo by the crater beside the face ) .

John in the book gets into all of this . With indepth analysis .

And NASA has also, even more so, obviously with the experts at their disposal.

 

[river]

And NASA has also, even more so, obviously with the experts at their disposal.

Of which JPL. was a player ; and you will learn in the book , had there reasons to deny life on Mars and to distort the picture of Cydonia .

 

[paddoboy]

Of which JPL. was a player ; and you will learn in the book , had there reasons to deny life on Mars and to distort the picture of Cydonia .

Sure I will!

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/John_Brandenburg

John E. Brandenburg is a plasma physicistwho went somewhat off the rails in 2012 and started proclaiming that he saw clearevidence of a thermonuclear war on Mars in the distant past. This off-beat idea attracted the attention of woo-peddlars and gave a mighty boost to sales of his books—both the non-fiction books and the science fictionbooks that he wrote using the nom de plumeVictor Norgarde.

In his 2015 book, Brandenburg declared himself a devout pentecostal christian.
more at link.....
extract:
"Brandenburg has cited a paper by Horgan & Bell from Geology 2011 but the article offers no real support for his contention. Horgen & Bell report widespread volcanic glass and do not even mention trinitite. The entire Northern hemisphere of Mars shows evidence of past volcanism—there is nothing special about the two areas Brandenburg focuses on"
"His submissions have not been accepted by peer-reviewed journals"

https://pseudoastro.wordpress.com/tag/john-brandenburg/

"Exposing PseudoAstronomy"
"At the risk of all my blog posts of 2016 – so far – seeming to be about certain individuals … here’s another one. John Brandenburg. For those who haven’t followed my blog or don’t remember this individual, see this post for the relevant information for this post. For his “science,” see this podcast.

One of the more unique things about Dr. Brandenburg among pseudoscientists is that one of his major claims of evidence that his ideas are correct is that he claims he presents at scientific conferences, and no one challenges him. I have heard him make that claim multiple times in practically every interview I have heard him give.

As I was mapping craters on the moon last night, I was listening to Coast to Coast AM from December 29, 2015. Dr. Brandenburg was on, and during the first hour, around 26 minutes in, he claimed that he was at the premier planetary science conference in 2015 and presented his results. See first link in this blog post. In that post, I documented his attendance (he was at his poster for 15 minutes) and VERY few people came by because he showed up almost at closing time and took over a half hour to slowly set up his presentations.

On C2CAM, however, he claimed that he presented his work, “held fort,” and “no one contradicted me.” And that “finally,” a scientist asked, “did they do it themselves?” (apparently referring to Dr. Brandenburg’s thesis that Mars was nuked).

Now, it is entirely possible that someone asked Dr. Brandenburg that during the very few minutes of conversation I did not hear. However, based on my observations, I sincerely doubt anyone was serious, if it happened at all. As for having “held fort” and “no one contradicted me,” if we want to go with the analogy of holding a fort against an attack, Dr. Brandenburg’s actual attendance record was closer to a snowball fight where people build forts, no one actually attacks, and John showed up just before everyone was going inside for hot cocoa because it was cold. As for no one contradicting him, perhaps it’s because they recognized pseudoscience when they see it, and because he showed up so late, he had literally less than a dozen people pass by and look at his work.

This isn’t the first time I’ve documented revisionist history, however, so far as Dr. Brandenburg’s recollection of his attendance at LPSC; see this post and search for “Brandenburg” and you’ll see what I mean.

Why am I writing about this? Well, in the faster and leaner attempt for this blog this year (also for me personally, which is why I need to get back to the elliptical), I’m going to be writing these short posts based on things I hear while listening to various podcasts and radio shows that I use for material for this blog and podcast, anyway.

If you make a claim, it’s fair game for investigation. If your claim contradicts a documented record, it’s fair game for me to point that out. If I’ve investigated your claims before, I may preferentially choose episodes of audio files to listen to where you speak."
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Nuts, nuts, nuts! Brazil nuts, Hazel nuts, Peanuts...nuts, nuts, nuts!

 

[river]

Sure I will!

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/John_Brandenburg

John E. Brandenburg is a plasma physicistwho went somewhat off the rails in 2012 and started proclaiming that he saw clearevidence of a thermonuclear war on Mars in the distant past. This off-beat idea attracted the attention of woo-peddlars and gave a mighty boost to sales of his books—both the non-fiction books and the science fictionbooks that he wrote using the nom de plumeVictor Norgarde.

In his 2015 book, Brandenburg declared himself a devout pentecostal christian.
more at link.....
extract:
"Brandenburg has cited a paper by Horgan & Bell from Geology 2011 but the article offers no real support for his contention. Horgen & Bell report widespread volcanic glass and do not even mention trinitite. The entire Northern hemisphere of Mars shows evidence of past volcanism—there is nothing special about the two areas Brandenburg focuses on"
"His submissions have not been accepted by peer-reviewed journals"

https://pseudoastro.wordpress.com/tag/john-brandenburg/

"Exposing PseudoAstronomy"
"At the risk of all my blog posts of 2016 – so far – seeming to be about certain individuals … here’s another one. John Brandenburg. For those who haven’t followed my blog or don’t remember this individual, see this post for the relevant information for this post. For his “science,” see this podcast.

One of the more unique things about Dr. Brandenburg among pseudoscientists is that one of his major claims of evidence that his ideas are correct is that he claims he presents at scientific conferences, and no one challenges him. I have heard him make that claim multiple times in practically every interview I have heard him give.

As I was mapping craters on the moon last night, I was listening to Coast to Coast AM from December 29, 2015. Dr. Brandenburg was on, and during the first hour, around 26 minutes in, he claimed that he was at the premier planetary science conference in 2015 and presented his results. See first link in this blog post. In that post, I documented his attendance (he was at his poster for 15 minutes) and VERY few people came by because he showed up almost at closing time and took over a half hour to slowly set up his presentations.

On C2CAM, however, he claimed that he presented his work, “held fort,” and “no one contradicted me.” And that “finally,” a scientist asked, “did they do it themselves?” (apparently referring to Dr. Brandenburg’s thesis that Mars was nuked).

Now, it is entirely possible that someone asked Dr. Brandenburg that during the very few minutes of conversation I did not hear. However, based on my observations, I sincerely doubt anyone was serious, if it happened at all. As for having “held fort” and “no one contradicted me,” if we want to go with the analogy of holding a fort against an attack, Dr. Brandenburg’s actual attendance record was closer to a snowball fight where people build forts, no one actually attacks, and John showed up just before everyone was going inside for hot cocoa because it was cold. As for no one contradicting him, perhaps it’s because they recognized pseudoscience when they see it, and because he showed up so late, he had literally less than a dozen people pass by and look at his work.

This isn’t the first time I’ve documented revisionist history, however, so far as Dr. Brandenburg’s recollection of his attendance at LPSC; see this post and search for “Brandenburg” and you’ll see what I mean.

Why am I writing about this? Well, in the faster and leaner attempt for this blog this year (also for me personally, which is why I need to get back to the elliptical), I’m going to be writing these short posts based on things I hear while listening to various podcasts and radio shows that I use for material for this blog and podcast, anyway.

If you make a claim, it’s fair game for investigation. If your claim contradicts a documented record, it’s fair game for me to point that out. If I’ve investigated your claims before, I may preferentially choose episodes of audio files to listen to where you speak."
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Nuts, nuts, nuts! Brazil nuts, Hazel nuts, Peanuts...nuts, nuts, nuts!

Again " wikirational " oh please pad . He was on coast to coast on Oct.5/2016 .

Read the book .

 

[paddoboy]

Again " wikirational " oh please pad . He was on coast to coast on Oct.5/2016 .

Read the book .

I don't need to read the book. He has been shown to be a fraudster for whatever reason/s
Lets look at the facts so far as detailed by the evidence from four probes and rovers.
[1]The Face on Mars is an illusion.
[2] Mars was certainly more hospitable in the past, with liquid surface water.
[3]The evidence so far points to no life on Mars at this time.
[4] The evidence shows that if life did ever exist on Mars, it was microbrial and life at its simplest levels.
Brandenburg's claims are simply not evidenced in any way shape or form. He obviously is one educated fellow who has falled off the deep end.

 

[river]

I don't need to read the book. He has been shown to be a fraudster for whatever reason/s
Lets look at the facts so far as detailed by the evidence from four probes and rovers.
[1]The Face on Mars is an illusion.
[2] Mars was certainly more hospitable in the past, with liquid surface water.
[3]The evidence so far points to no life on Mars at this time.
[4] The evidence shows that if life did ever exist on Mars, it was microbrial and life at its simplest levels.
Brandenburg's claims are simply not evidenced in any way shape or form. He obviously is one educated fellow who has falled off the deep end.

But you have never read his book .

But you call him a " fraudster " . Careful pad .

 

[paddoboy]

But you have never read his book .

But you call him a " fraudster " . Careful pad .

Off course he's a fraudster! The evidence available, supports none of the crazy hypothetical, speculative nonsense that he is spewing.
It's simply stuff he has dreamed up since falling off the deep end.

 

[river]

Off course he's a fraudster! The evidence available, supports none of the crazy hypothetical, speculative nonsense that he is spewing.
It's simply stuff he has dreamed up since falling off the deep end.

Careful pad .

 

[paddoboy]

Careful pad .

Your pontificating again river.
Let me again state facts: He has shown nothing other than his own speculative hypotheticals, that invalidate any of the points I made earlier.
[1]The Face on Mars is an illusion.
[2] Mars was certainly more hospitable in the past, with liquid surface water.
[3]The evidence so far points to no life on Mars at this time.
[4] The evidence shows that if life did ever exist on Mars, it was microbrial and life at its simplest levels.

 

[paddoboy]

Probably the best, most Interesting book I have ever read was "The Making of the Atomic Bomb" By Richard Rhodes:
Not so much a history of the Atomic Bomb per se, but more a history of 19th, and 20th century physics, from the likes of Rhotegen, Bequeral and Curie, through to Bohr, Szillard and Fermi, and onto Einstein Meitner, Feynman and many others in between.
A book I give 10/10 to!

 

[river]

Your pontificating again river.
Let me again state facts: He has shown nothing other than his own speculative hypotheticals, that invalidate any of the points I made earlier.
[1]The Face on Mars is an illusion.
[2] Mars was certainly more hospitable in the past, with liquid surface water.
[3]The evidence so far points to no life on Mars at this time.
[4] The evidence shows that if life did ever exist on Mars, it was microbrial and life at its simplest levels.

Pontificating pad ? Not at all . You however do so the nth degree .

These are only facts to you . But the modern facts and analysis show much different information .

The analysis of meteors from Mars and atmospheric analysis shows , as I said before of the unusally high isoptic xenon 219 .

 

[river]

Probably the best, most Interesting book I have ever read was "The Making of the Atomic Bomb" By Richard Rhodes:
Not so much a history of the Atomic Bomb per se, but more a history of 19th, and 20th century physics, from the likes of Rhotegen, Bequeral and Curie, through to Bohr, Szillard and Fermi, and onto Einstein Meitner, Feynman and many others in between.
A book I give 10/10 to!

But so what pad ? What is the relevence to what we are discussing ?

 

[paddoboy]

Pontificating pad ? Not at all . You however do so the nth degree .

These are only facts to you . But the modern facts and analysis show much different information .

The analysis of meteors from Mars and atmospheric analysis shows , as I said before of the unusally high isoptic xenon 219 .

No, I'm just stating it as it is, based on all scientific evidence available.
If you prefer to believe in sensational unsupported hypothetical, speculative nonsense, then that's your business.
Do you still believe in Santa Claus?

 

[paddoboy]

But so what pad ? What is the relevence to what we are discussing ?

See the thread title.
NB: This is not about your mythical, speculative hypothetical nonsense, that you happen to read about in a book, and accept automatically because it aligns with your UFO/Aliens/paranormal beliefs and so tickles your fancy.
Me more discriminatory, be more scientific, check out the proper channels as to why his claims are loony, and why he is seen to have gone off the deep end.
Then come back and PM me, OK?

 

[river]

See the thread title.
NB: This is not about your mythical, speculative hypothetical nonsense, that you happen to read about in a book, and accept automatically because it aligns with your UFO/Aliens/paranormal beliefs and so tickles your fancy.
Me more discriminatory, be more scientific, check out the proper channels as to why his claims are loony, and why he is seen to have gone off the deep end.
Then come back and PM me, OK?

John is loony far from it . He has looked at the data and therefore photo's .

Now why would I PM YOU . And for what reason . ?

 

[paddoboy]

John is loony far from it . He has looked at the data and therefore photo's .

Now why would I PM YOU . And for what reason . ?

I said PM me when you have evidence supporting the claims of the quack you are now adoring.
Obviously that will not happen.

 

[river]

I said PM me when you have evidence supporting the claims of the quack you are now adoring.
Obviously that will not happen.

The evidence is in the book , pad , of which you have no interest in reading .

 

[paddoboy]

The evidence is in the book , pad , of which you have no interest in reading .

What evidence? If it was evidence, then guess what?
It would be considered seriously. It isn't and he is a fraud.