Nancy Pelosi is a felon.

[Write4U]

"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act". George Orwell.

 

[iceaura]

I don't know about you, but I can't divorce effort/intent from result. And after decades of bad results, I'm more than a bit credulous that the intent is actually well-meaning.

Gibberish.
Get a dictionary - start with credulous. Then move to parts of speech, sentence diagramming, etc. When you can't write, you can't think.

Which Republican policies directly harm US citizens?

? Silly boy - the ones that poisoned the children of Flint, Michigan, obviously. The ones that got thousands of them killed in Iraq. The ones that filled the prisons with marijuana possessors and blighted the lives of their relatives etc.

Among others more general:
The refusal to enforce regulations and laws against predators of US citizens.
The suppression of votes, and erection of obstacles to voting.
The militarization of the police, and encouragement of police state behaviors in targeted neighborhoods.
The institutional fixation and defense of the results of past racial bigotry among the powerful.

It's a long, long list.

Can you name a Republican policy that does not directly harm US citizens? (An actual one, mind - not a rhetorical claim.).

 

[Write4U]

Can you name a Republican policy that does not directly harm US citizens? (An actual one, mind - not a rhetorical claim.).

C'mon Vociferous, give us some of your Republican policies that are beneficial to all US residents, not for just a few.

 

[Vociferous]

C'mon Vociferous, give us some of your Republican policies that are beneficial to all US residents, not for just a few.

I think I'll give billvon a chance to substantiate his unsupported claim first. But I will say that the economy benefits everyone.

 

[Write4U]

I think I'll give billvon a chance to substantiate his unsupported claim first. But I will say that the economy benefits everyone.

No, I second billvon's challenge to you. I feel no need to question his pespective.
OTOH, I do definitely feel the need to question your sanity.

 

[billvon]

Which Republican policies directly harm US citizens?

Trump has rolled back 58 different environmental policies, and is in the process of rolling back another 37. As a result, ~8700 more Americans are dying every year from air and water pollution.
Trump has diverted $3.7 billion from an account designated for building veteran training centers, schools for military families and other facilities on military bases to his wall, thus harming soldiers and their families.
Trump gutted two regulations that protected low-income workers in 2017, including overtime protections and protection against employers taking employee's tips. The result - low income workers lost $7 billion dollars a year.
For decades the GOP fought against rights for gay US citizens, thus harming them immensely.

Want some more?

 

[Write4U]

But I will say that the economy benefits everyone.

Oh, really?
Did Trump Create or Inherit the Strong Economy?

Obama was handed an economic catastrophe—and prevented an even greater meltdown When Barack Obama became president, the economy was experiencing what former Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke called “the worst financial crisis in global history, including the Great Depression.”2 In the last quarter of 2008, real GDP plummeted 8.4 percent and the economy hemorrhaged more than 1.9 million jobs.

3 Barack Obama and Congressional Democrats took strong action to rescue the economy, including the stimulus, TARP, financial reform and the auto bailout. In addition, the Federal Reserve lowered interest rates and took extraordinary measures to boost growth.

Research by economists Alan Blinder and Mark Zandi found that without this multi-faceted response, the recession would have lasted twice as long, job losses would have been twice as high and the drop in GDP would have been more than three times worse.

4 Trump inherited a strong economy that got stronger  Unemployment: Under Obama, unemployment was cut from a recession-peak of 10 percent to only 4.7 percent. It has continued to drop and now is extremely low at 3.6 percent.

5 Job growth: By the end of the Obama administration, the economy had experienced 76 consecutive months of job growth. Since Trump became president, the streak has been extended to 109 consecutive months.

Average monthly job growth: During the last 33 months of the Obama administration, nonfarm job growth averaged 224,000 per month. During the first 33 months of the Trump administration, the average was 34,000 jobs per month less.

GDP growth: Average real GDP growth was roughly the same (2.6 percent) for the first 11 quarters under President Trump (ending Sept. 2019) and for the last 11 quarters of the Obama administration.

Income: During the last two years of the Obama administration, annual median household income increased $4,800. This is three times more than the $1,400 increase during the first two years of the Trump administration.

6 Did Trump Create or Inherit the Strong Economy? Page 2  The stock market: President Trump frequently points to the stock market as evidence of his success, even though it is a poor proxy for the nation’s overall economic well-being since nearly half of Americans do not own stock, either directly or indirectly. However, even by this measure, he lags behind President Obama. Between President Trump’s Inauguration Day and November 2019, the Dow Jones Average increased more than 40 percent, while over the eight years of the Obama administration, the DJIA increased almost 150 percent – a substantially greater pace.

https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/_...reate-or-inherit-the-strong-economy-final.pdf

Want more?

 

[billvon]

But I will say that the economy benefits everyone.

So Trump's bungling of the Coronavirus response, and resulting tanking of the stock market, harms everyone.

 

[Write4U]

And Nancy Pelosi is the felon here? On what information are some of these people basing their conclusions?

This is really dangerous thinking. Falsely accusing someone of criminality is a crime in case someone has not been informed of this!!!

 

[parmalee]

I think I'll give billvon a chance to substantiate his unsupported claim first. But I will say that the economy benefits everyone.

That's a bit vague, no? Can you demonstrate how "the economy" benefits everyone? I'll make it easier: just demonstrate how this (?) economy benefits the majority of citizens, or even just the majority of households.

 

[Vociferous]

No, I second billvon's challenge to you. I feel no need to question his pespective.
OTOH, I do definitely feel the need to question your sanity.

He never made any challenge to me. He just made some unsupported claims.

Trump has rolled back 58 different environmental policies, and is in the process of rolling back another 37. As a result, ~8700 more Americans are dying every year from air and water pollution.
Trump has diverted $3.7 billion from an account designated for building veteran training centers, schools for military families and other facilities on military bases to his wall, thus harming soldiers and their families.
Trump gutted two regulations that protected low-income workers in 2017, including overtime protections and protection against employers taking employee's tips. The result - low income workers lost $7 billion dollars a year.
For decades the GOP fought against rights for gay US citizens, thus harming them immensely.

Want some more?

I see more unsupported claims there, but nothing to back them up. Do better.

Oh, really?
Did Trump Create or Inherit the Strong Economy?
https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/_...reate-or-inherit-the-strong-economy-final.pdf

Want more?

Obama's economy was the slowest economic recovery in US history. Anemic, at best, became robust after Trump took office.
Citing a committee chaired by a Democrat isn't credible. Do better.

So Trump's bungling of the Coronavirus response, and resulting tanking of the stock market, harms everyone.

Nope, just leftist media nonsense. Remember, Biden and the media criticized Trump for banning travel from China months before this became a significant problem. Fauci himself said that travel ban helped slow the spread, and the lack of tests is due to stifling and preexisting regulations. No one can control or be held responsible for an epidemic the source country failed to contain, nor its affect on the markets. We're still better off than under Obama. The markets can handle the dip because of their growth over the last three years. The market is already rallying after Trump promised support.

No one I know has yet to feel any harm at all from any of this.

This is really dangerous thinking. Falsely accusing someone of criminality is a crime in case someone has not been informed of this!!!

Which House Democrats narrowly avoided, by not including any actual crimes in the articles of impeachment. Not that they haven't accused Trump of various and sundry crimes before and since. Lots of false accusations to go around.

That's a bit vague, no? Can you demonstrate how "the economy" benefits everyone? I'll make it easier: just demonstrate how this (?) economy benefits the majority of citizens, or even just the majority of households.

Whether leftists admit it or not, the adage is true. A rising tide does raise all boats. More jobs means more competition for labor, improving wages. More buying power means even more jobs to produce products to absorb that buying power. It's a positive feedback loop. If a US citizen is not benefiting, it's their own fault. Unemployment is so low employers are having trouble finding more workers to fill positions.

 

[Write4U]

He never made any challenge to me. He just made some unsupported claims.

That just reveals your ignorance. You don't read and understand less.

 

[Write4U]

Obama's economy was the slowest economic recovery in US history. Anemic, at best, became robust after Trump took office.

Another example of your ignorance. You refuse to read history and tgat is you'll remain ignorant of it

 

[Vociferous]

That just reveals your ignorance. You don't read and understand less.

Quote it then.

Another example of your ignorance. You refuse to read history and tgat is you'll remain ignorant of it

Refute it then. I can give you umpteen articles from an extremely wide variety of sources saying that Obama's economy was the slowest recovery in US history. Can even give you a link to the Google search, if you can't manage that much yourself.

 

[billvon]

I see more unsupported claims there, but nothing to back them up. Do better.

Sure. I'll give you some support that you can ignore. From CPR, a GOP attempt to ban same sex marriage:
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Americans’ views on same-sex marriage have shifted dramatically in the last 10 years. Today, more than 60 percent of the nation supports it, and the U.S. Supreme Court has made it the law of the land.

That explains the surprise at the state capitol, and even in some Republican circles, when four Colorado Republican lawmakers introduced a bill to ban same-sex marriage on Feb. 3. The measure also would have prohibited same-sex couples from adopting.
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From USA Today:
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Trump administration diverts $3.6 billion for border wall from 127 military construction projects
Tom Vanden Brook
Christal HayesBart Jansen
USA TODAY

Trump administration to pay for a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border includes nine schools for troops' children and rebuilding money for military facilities damaged by hurricanes in Puerto Rico, according to a list of projects released Wednesday.

The administration's transfer of money from defense projects to pay for President Donald Trump's long-sought border wall has drawn bipartisan criticism in Congress. The list of 127 projects to be cut could intensify that fight as lawmakers learn the fate of military spending in their home districts, though the administration doesn't need Congress' approval to go forward.

Utah's Republican senators, Mitt Romney and Mike Lee, blasted the delay in funding $54 million in projects in their state. The move undermines military readiness, Romney said. Lee called on Congress to rein in the president's authority.

“Congress has been ceding far too much powers to the executive branch for decades and it is far past time for Congress to restore the proper balance of power between the three branches,” Lee said.

More than half the cuts – $1.8 billion – are to projects at overseas bases. The largest overseas reductions were $119 million for storage warehouses at Ramstein Air Force Base in Germany and $87 million for storage at Fairford Royal Air Force Base in the United Kingdom.
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But I will say that the economy benefits everyone.

Not after Trump's ham-handed mismanagement of the Coronavirus issue caused a Wall Street rout. The Trump recession will harm everyone.

 

[Vociferous]

Sure. I'll give you some support that you can ignore. From CPR, a GOP attempt to ban same sex marriage:
============
Americans’ views on same-sex marriage have shifted dramatically in the last 10 years. Today, more than 60 percent of the nation supports it, and the U.S. Supreme Court has made it the law of the land.

That explains the surprise at the state capitol, and even in some Republican circles, when four Colorado Republican lawmakers introduced a bill to ban same-sex marriage on Feb. 3. The measure also would have prohibited same-sex couples from adopting.
============

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Colorado Republicans are not Trump. Is this some kind of mental gymnastics guilt by tenuous association?

From USA Today:
=============
Trump administration diverts $3.6 billion for border wall from 127 military construction projects
Tom Vanden Brook
Christal HayesBart Jansen
USA TODAY

Trump administration to pay for a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border includes nine schools for troops' children and rebuilding money for military facilities damaged by hurricanes in Puerto Rico, according to a list of projects released Wednesday.

The administration's transfer of money from defense projects to pay for President Donald Trump's long-sought border wall has drawn bipartisan criticism in Congress. The list of 127 projects to be cut could intensify that fight as lawmakers learn the fate of military spending in their home districts, though the administration doesn't need Congress' approval to go forward.

Utah's Republican senators, Mitt Romney and Mike Lee, blasted the delay in funding $54 million in projects in their state. The move undermines military readiness, Romney said. Lee called on Congress to rein in the president's authority.

“Congress has been ceding far too much powers to the executive branch for decades and it is far past time for Congress to restore the proper balance of power between the three branches,” Lee said.

More than half the cuts – $1.8 billion – are to projects at overseas bases. The largest overseas reductions were $119 million for storage warehouses at Ramstein Air Force Base in Germany and $87 million for storage at Fairford Royal Air Force Base in the United Kingdom.
===============

Not after Trump's ham-handed mismanagement of the Coronavirus issue caused a Wall Street rout. The Trump recession will harm everyone.

Considering the left usually hates any defense project (military industrial complex) spending, it comes off as disingenuous to cry foul now. Representatives are supposed to defend the interests of their own state. And?

The stock market has yet to drop to pre-Trump levels and shows every indication that it will completely recover once this disaster is over. Why, are you hoping it lasts long enough and hurts enough regular people to vindicate your TDS?

 

[Quantum Quack]

The stock market has yet to drop to pre-Trump levels and shows every indication that it will completely recover once this disaster is over

With out strong and competent leadership it may not be only the stock market that doesn't recover...

 

[billvon]

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Colorado Republicans are not Trump.

Is TDS starting to addle your brain? You specifically asked "Which Republican policies directly harm US citizens?" That was an example of a Republican policy that would harm US citizens.

Considering the left usually hates any defense project (military industrial complex) spending, it comes off as disingenuous to cry foul now.

Again, you're starting to lose your train of thought. You asked "Which Republican policies directly harm US citizens?" That is another example, this time a Trump policy that directly harms US troops and their families.

I know that Trump supporters tend to dislike US troops, but even you have to admit that US soldiers are generally US citizens.

The stock market has yet to drop to pre-Trump levels . . .

Oh, I am sure Trump can have a few more press conferences that will drop it even farther.

 

[Vociferous]

Is TDS starting to addle your brain? You specifically asked "Which Republican policies directly harm US citizens?" That was an example of a Republican policy that would harm US citizens.

You do know that a bill has to actually pass before it can harm or benefit anyone, right? And even your own quote said that it wasn't a policy of all Republicans. So not representative and not actually doing any harm. So yeah, tea in China. And maybe projecting your own addled brain.

Again, you're starting to lose your train of thought. You asked "Which Republican policies directly harm US citizens?" That is another example, this time a Trump policy that directly harms US troops and their families.

I know that Trump supporters tend to dislike US troops, but even you have to admit that US soldiers are generally US citizens.

Does it harm someone? It certainly takes federal money and job creating projects out of some states and moves them to others (border states). But unless you can show actual harm, this is a very poor argument. Federal spending is vied for and unevenly distributed all the time, by both parties. And it's the left that demands that money can be redistributed without harming anyone.

Oh, I am sure Trump can have a few more press conferences that will drop it even farther.

I'm sure you would like people to suffer so you can hope to get rid of Trump. TDS doesn't tend to allow for healthy perspective.

 

[iceaura]

You do know that a bill has to actually pass before it can harm or benefit anyone, right?

A policy does not.

And even your own quote said that it wasn't a policy of all Republicans.

It was and is Republican Party policy.

Federal spending is vied for and unevenly distributed all the time, by both parties.

The distribution at issue - that harmed US citizens - was by the Republican administration.

I can give you umpteen articles from an extremely wide variety of sources saying that Obama's economy was the slowest recovery in US history.

Second slowest - if you read your links, they compare only recessions after the Great Depression.

All those recessions happened under the provisions of the New Deal, so they were small and easily handled - the Crash of 2008 was the first one after the Republicans managed to revoke certain key New Deal banking reforms.

Meanwhile: The Republican Congress blocked most of Obama's initiatives, with the intention (explicit and overt, stated on the record by Rep Congressional leadership) of preventing economic recovery during Obama's tenure and blaming him for the stagnation.

Briefly: W's Crash marked and followed a partial restoration of the economic policies behind the Great Crash of 1929. And the Republicans now, as then, attempted to block all initiatives leading to recovery. That makes any recovery at all notable, and all to Obama's or the Democratic Congresscritters's credit.

Trump's effect on Obama's recovery, meanwhile, has been to slow it down - with full Congressional support he has managed to do worse than Obama did in the teeth of scorched earth Congressional opposition.

And to return to the false claim above: at least one past recovery was a bit slower yet - the ten year slog between the Crash of '29 and the US "entry" (economic commitment) into WWII. So the two slowest recoveries have been from the two biggest Crashes - both of them Republican crashes.

That is hardly surprising - severe crashes do lasting and structural damage, different from more minor recessions etc. Revoking those key New Deal provisions and installing a Republican Congress has brought damage the US will still be recovering from ten years from now, twenty years or more after the Crash itself.