misogyny

[wegs]

Not wanting to bleed that thread into another, I'll hold my comments on that issue.

I'm not interested in discussing abortion in this thread, that's not why I posted that comment. My intent was to show you that you're all for ''women's rights'' as long as they fit with your ideals. If they don't, then you feel that as a guy, you have the right to tell a woman how to live her life. (ie abortion)

You're the same person posting in this thread, as you are in the abortion thread. FWIW - I'm just encouraging you to see how your opinions contradict themselves.

 

[DaveC426913]

My intent was to show you that you're all for ''women's rights'' as long as they fit with your ideals.

I'm just encouraging you to see how your opinions contradict themselves.

Those two things are not necessarily contradictory. It may appear so to you, but only because you don't see the nuances.

It's not easy to explain it without dredging up the abortion debate, but I could provide a far more hypothetical example as food for thought.

 

[wegs]

Those two things are not necessarily contradictory. It may appear so to you, but only because you don't see the nuances.

It's not easy to explain it without dredging up the abortion debate, but I could provide a far more hypothetical example as food for thought.

Yea, well...it's contradictory to me.

 

[DaveC426913]

Yea, well...it's contradictory to me.

Do you want to hear my hypothetical example?

 

[wegs]

Do you want to hear my hypothetical example?

Okay, sure.

 

[DaveC426913]

Okay, sure.

Rights, in general, are not sacrosanct. You've got to grant that women (or anyone) don't have the right to do anything they want.

A woman does not have the right to take my wallet and extract all the money out of it, for example.
So, rights do have limits, usually when it bumps into someone else's rights.

(This is not meant to be a rigorous analogy. Don't start making detailed comparisons; I'm simply getting you to grant that personal rights have fuzzy boundaries.)

At the risk of speaking for Bowser, it is apparent that he is of the mind that women have every right, up to - but not beyond - taking away others' rights for their own freedom.

He is simply noting that a woman's choice about her ̶b̶o̶d̶y̶ - I mean money - impacts people other than herself. And therefore her rights are not the only factor in-play.

You may disagree with his call that other people factor in - and that's OK - but it's not because his viewpoint is self-contradictory.

 

[Beer w/Straw]

How so? I don't know that you can change traditional roles in longstanding religious organizations, or that you have a right to try, but certainly you can create your own.

And you would you ask the same question to a suffragette I presume?

 

[wegs]

Rights, in general, are not sacrosanct. You've got to grant that women (or anyone) don't have the right to do anything they want.

A woman does not have the right to take my wallet and extract all the money out of it, for example.
So, rights do have limits, usually when it bumps into someone else's rights.

(This is not meant to be a rigorous analogy. Don't start making detailed comparisons; I'm simply getting you to grant that personal rights have fuzzy boundaries.)

At the risk of speaking for Bowser, it is apparent that he is of the mind that women have every right, up to - but not beyond - taking away others' rights for their own freedom.

He is simply noting that a woman's choice about her ̶b̶o̶d̶y̶ - I mean money - impacts people other than herself. And therefore her rights are not the only factor in-play.

You may disagree with his call that other people factor in - and that's OK - but it's not because his viewpoint is self-contradictory.

*shake my head* I'm not sure what to say to this, honestly. It's just sad that some men will do all kinds of mental gymnastics to explain why a woman shouldn't have the same rights as them. You have rights over your body, Dave. That is all women want, too.


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[DaveC426913]

*shake my head* I'm not sure what to say to this, honestly. It's just sad that some men will do all kinds of mental gymnastics to explain why a woman shouldn't have the same rights as them. You have rights over your body, Dave. That is all women want, too.

My rights over my body are not sacrosanct either.

What I'm arguing is not a man versus woman issue; what I'm arguing is a human issue. None of us have complete and clear rights to do as we please with our own bodies.
There are other people involved. We're not each of us an island.

(I am Pro Choice, BTW, and strongly oppose what is happening in the south of Trumplandia.)

And again, I'm simply pointing out that Bowser's viewpoints are not self-contradictory.

 

[Bowser]

At the risk of speaking for Bowser, it is apparent that he is of the mind that women have every right, up to - but not beyond - taking away others' rights for their own freedom.

I think men have every right to be misogynist if they so choose. It's no shock that those practicing those religions might hold views other than those in the more liberal parts of society. If women choose to participate also, who am I to tell them they are wrong?

 

[Bowser]

I'm not interested in discussing abortion in this thread, that's not why I posted that comment. My intent was to show you that you're all for ''women's rights'' as long as they fit with your ideals. If they don't, then you feel that as a guy, you have the right to tell a woman how to live her life. (ie abortion)

Wegs, the abortion issue is a difficult one, which is why it pops up so often. In my mind there is no easy answer.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

In my mind there is no easy answer.

conflation of technical aptitude to invigorate distaste in content is a bit of a side show talent.

 

[Beer w/Straw]

I think men have every right to be misogynist if they so choose. It's no shock that those practicing those religions might hold views other than those in the more liberal parts of society. If women choose to participate also, who am I to tell them they are wrong?

In Canada, it appears we have more rights to suicide than in the U.S. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_legislation#Americas However, I don't think it's particularly productive.

 

[Bowser]

In Canada, it appears we have more rights to suicide than in the U.S. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_legislation#Americas However, I don't think it's particularly productive.

Hurrah for Canada.

 

[Beer w/Straw]

Hurrah for Canada.

Now if only we could buy guns so easily!

There's not even enough guns on the street to even attempt to provoke someone else to shoot me!

 

[Bowser]

Now if only we could buy guns so easily!

There's not even enough guns on the street to even attempt to provoke someone else to shoot me!

Perhaps I didn't read the wiki page completely, but won't they provide that service on demand. Nice having you around, btw.

 

[Beer w/Straw]

Perhaps I didn't read the wiki page completely, but won't they provide that service on demand. Nice having you around, btw.

 

[sculptor]

I read recently that hearing loss was often not strictly a mechanical problem with the ear, but also a problem with the ear-brain interface.
accurate?
As I am losing my hearing, I have noticed that I am mostly losing the high (nasal tone) pitches often found in some women's voices.
Before I lost those pitches, I did find them somewhat annoying.
so
Am I becoming / have I become misogynistic?

 

[wegs]

Wegs, the abortion issue is a difficult one, which is why it pops up so often. In my mind there is no easy answer.

Agree. I understand your stance, as you feel that life begins at conception, and therein begins the “debate.” :/

 

[Bowser]

Agree. I understand your stance, as you feel that life begins at conception, and therein begins the “debate.” :/

Yep, no middle ground on which to agree.