Israeli/Hamas disregard for human life.

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  1. BenTheMan Dr. of Physics, Prof. of Love Valued Senior Member

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    Live by the sword die by the sword sweetheart

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    Maybe it would have been better for Israel to launch rockets randomly into Palestinian neighbourhoods?

    Either way, are you claiming that these reports of Hamas torturing/killing political dissidents is not true?
     
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  3. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, really, now check with reality.
     
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  5. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    Wow, that was easy. BR has accepted his pedantism is made out of thin air after all
     
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  7. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Why wouldn't they find 155mm artillery shells in Gaza, that is the Standard size of Israeli Artillery, 155mm M-109 Paladin.

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    Standard indirect-fire support weapon of maneuver brigades of armored and mechanized infantry divisions.
     
  8. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    No disease is the one who has the thin air problem.
     
  9. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Typical kill radius is 50 meters for a 155mm, Having a 10m Circular Error Probability.

    So a blast pattern of 150 ft. within a 30 ft. circle.

    Or if they are using the new Excalibur.

    Average CEP (Circular Error Probability) was demonstrated at about 5 meters (16.5 feet), significantly better than the 10- meter (33 feet) requirement. One projectile detonated with devastating effects less than two feet from the target center.
     
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  10. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    Maybe it's emphysema?
     
  11. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    I think it's just plain, to much smoke:m:
     
  12. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    The Aid isn't getting to the people of Gaza because of Hamas, and it is the U.N. who is responsable for getting that Aid to the people not Hamas.

    Again the Arabs in Gaza, (Hamas), ignoring the U.N. to do things their own way, at the expence of the Innocents of Gaza, and now there is no more Aid for the People of Gaza.

    Kapish?
     
  13. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Smuggling, weapons, war, Hamas, lost.

    Hamas is now stealing the food aid that the U.N. was distrubuting to the People of Gaza, they have stolen two shipments, and now the U.N. is ending that aid because of Hamas's stealing.

    Who is really starving the People of Gaza?

    The Fighters of Hamas have full bellies tonight but what about the children? Hmmmmmmmmm?????

    Hamas for not making a peace.
     
  14. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    What about the blockade? If Israel stopped its active prevention of aid getting in?

    Why is it the UN's responsibility?

    Or if Israel hadn't blockaded Gaza, and created the need for aid, which it now refuses to accept is needed, except for a cursory nod to humanitarianism so it can claim it's a wonderful country?

    Then it drops bombs all over Gaza and destroys most of the agricultural industry, and about 99% of other industry, so the world unless it's blind sees the wonderful country actively denying aid, or an economy, or medicine, or anything at all?
     
  15. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    Why don't the Gazans go and get their own food? Why don't they just go to an Israeli supermarket say, seeing how they live in total freedom?
     
  16. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    The reason that Israel closed the border was because of Attacks by Hamas, and Arms smuggling by Hamas.

    Aid was getting into Gaza, Israel let the U.N. distribute that Aid with no interference.

    Hanas want shipment to go through with out inspection to it's ports.

    Israel was letting shipment by the U.N in because the U.N. Shipments were free of weapons.

    So who is starving the Children of Gaza?

    Hamas fighters steal the U.N. food shipment and now the U.N. is no longer going to distribute any more AID, until the stolen Aid is returned.

    So I would say that there are a bunch of Hamas big shots with full stomachs, picking their teeth, while a lot if Children in Gaza go to bead hungry tonight.

    Great ethic these Hamas Muslims have, let the Children Starve, as long as their bellys are full.
     
  17. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    No interference?

    What about the blockade of Gaza, that doesn't count?

    If the UN was setting up a distribution centre anywhere else on the planet and an army arrived and interfered with it, by surrounding the population, then bombing the crap out of it, destroying UN warehouses and killing the civilians, would the security council do something?
     
  18. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    What don't you want to understand that Israel is not interfearing with the U.N. Food distributation, the active combat operations have ended.

    The Israels have with drawn from Gaza, the U.N. has moved in, these theft took place in Gaza, by Hamas Militants.

    Only 8 hours ago:

    Hamas steals food and aid supplies so UN halts shipments whi...
    Feb 6, 2009 ... Current is a global television network that gives you the opportunity to create and influence what airs on TV.

    http://current.com/items/89791062/h...halts_shipments_while_palestinians_suffer.htm

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7875171.stm

    UN halts Gaza aid over 'thefts'

    UN trucks have been passing through Kerem Shalom crossing to deliver aid
    The UN aid agency in Gaza says it has suspended all aid shipments, accusing the Hamas government of seizing hundreds of tonnes of food supplies.

    Ten lorries carrying flour and rice were taken from the Palestinian side of the Kerem Shalom crossing, the UN's Relief and Works Agency (Unrwa) said.

    Israel is letting in Aid from the U.N., it is Hamas who is making the problems.
     
  19. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Because Hamas sends, suicide bombers, with the Hungry People, and Israeli Children die.

    That is one of the reasons the crossings were closed, if you care to remember.
     
  20. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Israel has been blocking food for two years to the point that Hamas broke down the Rafah barrier with bulldozers so they could get food. 80% of the people are below poverty level because the Israelis put them on a "diet". No one was bothered. Now the UN denies Hamas the recognition due an elected representative and suddenly everyone is SOOOOOOOO concerned about the children of Gaza, while dead babies with sniper bullet holes in their heads or burned by white phosphorus are ignored.

    Fucking hypocrites.
     
  21. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Hey Ben, I think this is the first time I've seen you post on a political topic. Thanks for the info. The lack of attention paid to human rights violators aside from Israel and the US pisses me off to no end. Anyone here want to talk about apartheid? How about the 50% of people living under apartheid in Iran and like-minded countries, where the Y chromosome is your passport to having a normal life? It's not the criticisms against Israel that get to me, even though sometimes the allegations are blatantly exaggerated by orders of magnitude. What gets to me is how Hezbollah shoots rockets out of bedroom windows, Hamas stashes weapons in mosques, and women and children are sent to blow themselves up near Israeli soldiers, yet the world looks the other way every time. Their silence is absolutely deafening- does anyone here care to tell me that these are acceptable acts or that they should be ignored?

    Strawdog, would you care to tell us what you think of incidents like this? Hamas' version of the armoured personnel carrier

    Who here really thinks that placing 100% of the blame on America and Israel is a good way to fast-track a lasting peace?
     
  22. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I would be surprised if it were otherwise. Someone obviously gave the Israelis a lot of information about Gaza before the bombing. What would you do in their place? Like I said, even the ZOB executed the Judenrat. No one likes a traitor.
     
  23. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Hay Cap, great video, a U.N. Ambulance being used to move Hamas fighters in combat, OMG.

    Yes, I want to hear Straw Dog, and SAM defend that, and explain the claims that Israel is targeting the U.N facilities and trucks with no cause.

    Yes, lets hear from the rest of the appoligist for Hamas, video proof of Hamas using U.N. vehicles for Military Purposes's and operations.

    Now I have to wonder about the U.N. claims that there were no Hamas fighters in the U.N. compounds?
     
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