Is the brain necessary for consciousness?

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What are these laws ?

What are the 7 Laws of Nature?
These fundamentals are called the Seven Natural Laws through which everyone and everything is governed. They are the laws of : Attraction, Polarity, Rhythm, Relativity, Cause and Effect, Gender/Gustation and Perpetual Transmutation of Energy.Mar 10, 2021
https://passionplacement.com/7-natural-laws-fundamentals-to-unlock-growth-in-business-life/

What are the 5 scientific laws?


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quote]What are the five scientific laws? The five most popular scientific laws are Hooke's Law of Elasticity, Archimedes' Principle of Buoyancy, Dalton's Law of Partial Pressures, Bernoulli's Law of Fluid Dynamics and Fourier's Law of Heat Conduction.May 4, 2021[/quote]
https://science.howstuffworks.com/innovation/scientific-experiments/10-scientific-laws-theories.htm

Among others.
 
What are the 7 Laws of Nature?

https://passionplacement.com/7-natural-laws-fundamentals-to-unlock-growth-in-business-life/

What are the 5 scientific laws?


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quote]What are the five scientific laws? The five most popular scientific laws are Hooke's Law of Elasticity, Archimedes' Principle of Buoyancy, Dalton's Law of Partial Pressures, Bernoulli's Law of Fluid Dynamics and Fourier's Law of Heat Conduction.May 4, 2021
https://science.howstuffworks.com/innovation/scientific-experiments/10-scientific-laws-theories.htm

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I find No Life in these laws .
 

I find No Life in these laws .[/QUOTE] Life is just biological patterns in motion. When the motion stops the biological entity is dead.

Life started with chemical reactions like the growth of crystals and as biochemistry evolves, biological processes begin and dynamical life forms emerge and gradually develop more sophistication in expression. (Hazen)

That is the function of natural selection. Over time natural selection favors patterns that are better adapted to their environment. In living patterns it is the ability to create little growing patterns from mixing genes. Some patterns happen by accident (mutation) and prove superior. Humans seem to be the result of such a beneficial mutation.
The fusion of two chromosomes, resulting in one larger chromosome (#2) with superior growth potential.

But life itself already begins in sulphur pools, where cyanobacteria learned to use energy from photosynthesis which is a purely chemical reaction.

The origins of life on Earth
But let’s start with what we know about some of the very first living things on Earth.
Yet
without them we may not be here at all. Prokaryotes were the earliest life forms, simple creatures that fed on carbon compounds that were accumulating in Earth’s early oceans. Slowly, other organisms evolved that used the Sun’s energy, along with compounds such as sulfides, to generate their own energy.
Cyanobacteria then went a step further: they started to utilise water during photosynthesis, releasing oxygen as a by-product. Over time, enough oxygen accumulated in Earth’s atmosphere to allow for the evolution of oxygen-metabolising organisms

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The streaky artwork of masses of cyanobacteria (blue-green algae). Image adapted from: Bobby McKay; CC BY ND 2.0
Bacteria (and archaea) are hardy creatures. They thrive in hot, cold, salty, acidic and alkaline environments in which most eukaryotes would perish. Despite this, they have a bad image: after all, bacteria cause many diseases in humans.
Yet without them we may not be here at all. Prokaryotes were the earliest life forms, simple creatures that fed on carbon compounds that were accumulating in Earth’s early oceans. Slowly, other organisms evolved that used the Sun’s energy, along with compounds such as sulfides, to generate their own energy. Cyanobacteria then went a step further: they started to utilise water during photosynthesis, releasing oxygen as a by-product. Over time, enough oxygen accumulated in Earth’s atmosphere to allow for the evolution of oxygen-metabolising organisms.
https://www.science.org.au/curious/space-time/origins-life-earth#

The earliest bacteria were part mineral that fed on rocks. Rust is a purely chemical expression of a chemical compound eating metal.

Does rust eat metal?
Corrosion is the chemical process that causes metals to break down and deteriorate. When iron or steel corrodes, the process is called rust. ... But Left unchecked, it can eat away at the metal, undermining its structural integrity.Mar 7, 1996

Abiogenesis may have taken millions if not billions of years to transform from chemistry into biochemistry into biology.

Personally, I see no mystery in that process at all. And so it is with consciousness. It started which chemical reactive processes, evolving in larger more complex senses such as eyes from simple patches (patterns) of light sensitive compounds.




 
Seriously? That's a business placement site.

7 Natural Laws: Fundamentals To Unlock Growth In Business & Life

1. Do you understand the difference between "The Laws of Nature" and what some marketing monkey calls their "Natural Laws"?
2. Do you not take any responsibility for reading what you're about to post?


The five most popular scientific laws are
Really? Did everyone vote on which ones we like? Is science done by popularity?

Oh. Right. Your sig-line is "Don't blame me; blame my references."


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Seriously? That's a business placement site.

7 Natural Laws: Fundamentals To Unlock Growth In Business & Life

1. Do you understand the difference between "The Laws of Nature" and what some marketing monkey calls their "Natural Laws"?
2. Do you not take any responsibility for reading what you're about to post?
I take responsibility for what I post in the sub-forum called " parapsychology"
A detail that you obviously have overlooked by NOT reading what I post.

Moreover, if you had actually read some of the principles laid out in that link you will find no grounds for your hasty and ill-considered knee-jerk nasty response. It just shows that you have a very narrow perspective on the "business of life" and how it relates to the "business of the universe."
Really? Did everyone vote on which ones we like? Is science done by popularity?
Of course it is. You are dealing with human beings. I can name you a few superstars in the sciences. There is even an award show called the "Nobel Prize".
And I believe I have heard you declare that mainstream science is by "consensus", i.e. "popular vote".
Oh. Right. Your sig-line is "Don't blame me; blame my references."
Nononono.........
My sig-line is, "You have no standing to judge any of my posts unless you read the accompanying evidence in support of my propositions."

You have not contributed anything of value to this discussion and, as far as I am concerned, you're just a nuisance.

That's why I placed you on ignore and that's why you are going back on ignore.......click.
 
I would posit that an active brain is necessary for cognition (being conscious of something) but not necessary for consciousness it self.
 
I take responsibility for what I post in the sub-forum called " parapsychology"
You have not contributed anything of value to this discussion and, as far as I am concerned, you're just a nuisance.
My contribution is to call out your silly negative-contribution. I did the work so others don't have to waste their own time. The quality of the thread goes up.

That's why I placed you on ignore and that's why you are going back on ignore.......click.
Which is perfect. I don't do this for you; you're lost already. I do this for the benefit of other readers.
 
I would posit that an active brain is necessary for cognition (being conscious of something) but not necessary for consciousness itself.
Interesting thought.
But then, whence does consciousness enter the scene?
Tegmark proposes that the necessary comparing of the passively received and converted data into a stream of internal electrochemical data with data that is already stored in memory, produces the emergent phenomenon of cognitive consciousness.

The brain actually undergoes a constant series of "eureka" moments, which produces a response of "I know that!", not just as an act of cognition, but as an act of recognition. It allows us to form anticipation of what comes next based on prior experience in memory. Don't we all have experienced the feeling of being familiar with a place we have never been before. This familiarity is triggered by your recognition of an old grandfather clock, or the pattern in a blanket, or a couch. Anything that may have been a comfortable (or traumatic) experience is "recalled" from memory and will trigger a chemical emotional response, as experienced in the past.

That's why I like the modern concepts of "integrated" and "orchestrated" information theories, which propose consciousness is the result of the processes that yields the emergent self-awareness within the current environment.

Perhaps an example can be found in the GPT3 interviews, where the AI defines its own abilities, which can only be interpreted as an emergent self-aware consciousness. It is not the hardware that is consciously intelligent, it is the orchestrated processing of the data, which produces consciousness?

Therefore, the brain is necessary for the processes that yield the conscious experience.
 
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Interesting thought.
But then, whence does consciousness enter the scene?
Tegmark proposes that the necessary comparing of the passively received and converted data into a stream of internal electrochemical data with data that is already stored in memory, produces the emergent phenomenon of cognitive consciousness.

The brain actually undergoes a constant series of "eureka" moments, which produces a response of "I know that!", not just as an act of cognition, but as an act of recognition. It allows us to form anticipation of what comes next based on prior experience in memory. Don't we all have experienced the feeling of being familiar with a place we have never been before. This familiarity is triggered by your recognition of an old grandfather clock, or the pattern in a blanket, or a couch. Anything that may have been a comfortable (or traumatic) experience is "recalled" from memory and will trigger a chemical emotional response, as experienced in the past.

That's why I like the modern concepts of "integrated" and "orchestrated" information theories, which propose consciousness is the result of the processes that yields the emergent self-awareness within the current environment.

Perhaps an example can be found in the GPT3 interviews, where the AI defines its own abilities, which can only be interpreted as an emergent self-aware consciousness. It is not the hardware that is consciously intelligent, it is the orchestrated processing of the data, which produces consciousness?

Therefore, the brain is necessary for the processes that yield the conscious experience.

Without Life . The Energy of Living Beings . None of this could happen . AI can not exist , come to be , manifest , without the Living .

To your last statement ;

So is the soul .
 
Soul is your Spirit .
I disagree. The whole point is that there is no entity that is you, other than your brain. The rest of you is a dynamic microbiome of which you are only 10 % human, or if you want to count genes, the human genes are only 1 % of the total organism.

Human microbiome
The human microbiome is the aggregate of all microbiota that reside on or within human tissues and biofluids along with the corresponding anatomical sites in which they reside,[1] including the skin, mammary glands, seminal fluid, uterus, ovarian follicles, lung, saliva, oral mucosa, conjunctiva, biliary tract, and
gastrointestinal tract.
Types of human microbiota include bacteria, archaea, fungi, protists and viruses. Though micro-animals can also live on the human body, they are typically excluded from this definition. In the context of genomics, the term human microbiome is sometimes used to refer to the collective genomes of resident microorganisms;[2] however, the term human metagenome has the same meaning.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_microbiome#

IMO, mathematics is the "essence" of the universe. It is the single independent form of logic that is demonstrably true.
 

Soul is your Spirit .

I disagree. The whole point is that there is no entity that is you, other than your brain. The rest of you is a dynamic microbiome of which you are only 10 % human, or if you want to count genes, the human genes are only 1 % of the total organism.

Life Energy Evolves . The Intellect Evolves .
 
IMO, mathematics is the "essence" of the universe. It is the single independent form of logic that is demonstrably true.

You only wish it could be but its not . The physical is the essence of the Universe .
 
How so ?

Life breaks the patterns .
Natural selection reinforces patterns. Entropy destroys patterns.
The dynamic imbalance is the "life force" (elan vital).

Entropy
It is phenomenologically reasoned here that non-equilibrium, useful work-energy potential is always dissipated to heat, and thus thermodynamic entropy (a measure of thermal disorder, not any other disorder) is generated always and everywhere, at any scale without exception, including life processes, open systems, micro-fluctuations, gravity or entanglement.
Furthermore, entropy cannot be destroyed by any means at any scale (entropy is conserved in ideal, reversible processes and irreversibly generated in real processes), and thus, entropy cannot overall decrease, but only overall increase.
Creation of ordered structures or live species always dissipate useful energy and generate entropy, without exception, and thus without Second Law violation. Entropy destruction would imply spontaneous increase in non-equilibrium, with mass-energy flux displacement against cause-and-effect, natural forces, as well as negate the reversible existence of the very equilibrium.
https://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/22/6/648/htm
 
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