Is it wrong to have sex for fun, knowing it might possibly lead to an abortion?

[Beer w/Straw]

Society has failed women, and you all have as well!

Society has not failed women.

I post evidence! (I think)

 

[SetiAlpha6]

You keep saying that. I think you are a hypocrite.

If you were admitted to a hospital for a minor injury, would it be OK for them to sedate you and take a kidney, lung and liver lobe to save three other people?

Abortion hurts both men and women.

Women should not have to kill their own children to be successful. This is a massive failure!

How can we reorganize our societies to stop this abuse of women and children?

 

[billvon]

How can we reorganize our societies to stop this abuse of women and children?

I will answer your question once you answer mine.

If you were admitted to a hospital for a minor injury (say you were unconscious when you came in) would it be OK for them to sedate you and take a kidney, lung and liver lobe to save three other people?

 

[SetiAlpha6]

I will answer your question once you answer mine.

If you were admitted to a hospital for a minor injury (say you were unconscious when you came in) would it be OK for them to sedate you and take a kidney, lung and liver lobe to save three other people?

Sorry, but this logic trail fails for me.
So I do not want to waste our time on it.

I know you don’t think that abortion is the best solution for every instance in which abortions are currently performed.

I am just asking how you might give women better choices? How can we improve women’s lives so they do not feel like they have to kill their own child, to be successful?

 

[billvon]

Sorry, but this logic trail fails for me.

It is quite simple. A woman risks her life and her health to bring a fetus to term. You want to pass laws that says she has to do it. If you were in a similar situation - if you were required to risk your life and health to save THREE people (not just one) - would you be OK with that? Waking up after an accident and finding out that a law had required you to give up your organs for someone else, and you had no legal recourse?

Because if you are OK with laws requiring women to do it, but not OK with laws requiring you to do it, then you are a hypocrite.

I am just asking how you might give women better choices? How can we improve women’s lives so they do not feel like they have to kill their own child, to be successful?

There are several ways; I contribute to two charities who do just that. I would be happy to answer the question above once you answer mine.

If you feel you cannot answer, because doing so would expose your venal and self-serving morality, then by all means, hide.

 

[SetiAlpha6]

It is quite simple. A woman risks her life and her health to bring a fetus to term. You want to pass laws that says she has to do it. If you were in a similar situation - if you were required to risk your life and health to save THREE people (not just one) - would you be OK with that? Waking up after an accident and finding out that a law had required you to give up your organs for someone else, and you had no legal recourse?

Because if you are OK with laws requiring women to do it, but not OK with laws requiring you to do it, then you are a hypocrite.

There are several ways; I contribute to two charities who do just that. I would be happy to answer the question above once you answer mine.

If you feel you cannot answer, because doing so would expose your venal and self-serving morality, then by all means, hide.

And women also risk their lives and health and even their ability to have children in the future every time they have an abortion.

Women can die from the abortion procedure, and have.

Your example is not equivalent to an abortion where one person is killing another innocent person deliberately.

Not even close!

 

[James R]

One thing that stands out more and more as this thread goes on is SetiAlpha6's fundamental dishonesty. He is clearly here only to preach, not to engage. Thus, he ignores all points that he would rather not have to face.

 

[billvon]

And women also risk their lives and health and even their ability to have children in the future every time they have an abortion.

Yes, but it is a much, much lower risk than carrying the fetus to term. That's why some doctors recommend abortions in cases where needed to protect the life and health of the mother.

Again, if you were required to risk your life and health to save THREE people (not just one) - would you be OK with that? And to make it perfectly parallel, keep in mind that you are already in the hospital due to an injury, so you already have a risk to your health. Would you be OK with the same thing you demand women be OK with? Or, since you are a man, would you demand the right to decide what happens with your body?

You have dodged this answer four times now, because you cannot answer it without being exposed as a hypocrite. Prove me wrong.

 

[SetiAlpha6]

Yes, but it is a much, much lower risk than carrying the fetus to term. That's why some doctors recommend abortions in cases where needed to protect the life and health of the mother.

Again, if you were required to risk your life and health to save THREE people (not just one) - would you be OK with that? And to make it perfectly parallel, keep in mind that you are already in the hospital due to an injury, so you already have a risk to your health. Would you be OK with the same thing you demand women be OK with? Or, since you are a man, would you demand the right to decide what happens with your body?

You have dodged this answer four times now, because you cannot answer it without being exposed as a hypocrite. Prove me wrong.

I am very content to be considered a hypocrite by you. And I certainly have no need to prove you wrong on this.

I just think your question misses the mark.

No answer I would give either way would impact whether or not women should kill their own children.

I am not a lawyer, and think the laws should be placed in their hands. That does not mean that I have to agree with everything they do, for every occurrence in which it is applied.

I have answered other questions that make people swear at me, insult me, and even hate me here.

I expect it here, if you want to know the truth.

But I don’t have to answer questions that don’t make sense to me to begin with.

Label me a hypocrite, throw a party, and celebrate if you wish to.

I wish you well!

How is my question being held hostage by this?

I would bet you have some great ideas on how to stop women from being abused in society through abortion and from being put in the position where they would ever feel like they have to kill their own child to be successful in their careers, for example.

How would you solve just that little piece of the issue?

Help women, and help create a new society where none of this tragedy even exists.

The “patriarchy” has set up society so women are forced to kill their own children, not by law, but because of the way society is structured.

Or have women created the abortion nightmare themselves, just for fun?

 

[Write4U]

I recommend complete mandatory vasectomy for all males of couples who have filled their desired quota.

Once you decide not to have any more children there is no longer any need for testicles.
Off with their heads!!

Problem solved, no more free floating Vinnies and Debbies.

 

[wegs]

One thing that stands out more and more as this thread goes on is SetiAlpha6's fundamental dishonesty. He is clearly here only to preach, not to engage. Thus, he ignores all points that he would rather not have to face.

I believe I stated that a few pages back.

 

[billvon]

I just think your question misses the mark.

No, you don't. You are terrified of the question because you cannot answer it without proving yourself a hypocrite. You demand women obey laws which you would not tolerate.

I would bet you have some great ideas on how to stop women from being abused in society through abortion and from being put in the position where they would ever feel like they have to kill their own child to be successful in their careers, for example. How would you solve just that little piece of the issue? Help women, and help create a new society where none of this tragedy even exists.

I do that regularly; I spend about $1K a year on organizations that work to do that. How about you? Based on your hypocrisy, I suspect you don't do anything to help them.

 

[James R]

You know what? I think we're done here. All we're likely to get from SetiAlpha6 is more preaching. The relevant arguments have all been made, and he's just spinning his wheels at this point. So, enough.