God is defined, not described.

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Ted Grant II, Oct 9, 2017.

  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    What point?
     
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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    You doubt that God is omni-present? Or do you doubt he is omnipotent? Is it possible that is because he is your God and you are just an evolved living organism.?
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    You said that if Santa left obvious evidence to the point where you have no excuse for suppression, you'd be in denial.

    Given
    that there is plenty of evidence for you to go find, do you accept Santa?
     
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  7. river

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    then your god is abrahamic based ?
     
  8. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Strictly speaking, Deism as practiced in most Eastern countries are not monotheistic.
     
  9. river

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    what countries ?
     
  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Look them up yourself. I'm not going to carry your water
     
  11. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    ^^^
    Neither santa, satan or any god has made itself plain to me. You believing something does not make it true. God is no more made plain to me than santa or fairies or unicorns or a 3 headed crab on a beach in Australia.

    IF there is a god, it does not want me to know or it does not care whether I know or it is not omnipotent.

    I do not need any excuse for not believing something I see no evidence for. IF any excuse is needed, it is for fools who believe nonsense.

    WHAT obvious evidence???

    Those several scriptures are great examples of the tricks of con artists. It is fools who have been conned into accepting god nonsense.

    If there is some scripture saying I believe in unicorns, it is ridiculous but no more so than what you quote.

    Other than what I tell you, you cannot know what I know or believe & neither could the ignorant superstitious primitives who wrote that scripture. That is what is made plain & obvious to you.

    What would it take for you to believe something you do not believe? How much good would it do for someone to say it is made plain to you & there is obvious evidence & only fools would not believe?

    You may as well tell me it is made plain to me that Donald & Daffy Duck actually exist 333 trillion light years away & only fools would deny it.

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  12. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry, I did use the wrong word.
    I meant to say Buddhism and Daoism or Taoism.

    There are about 500 million Buddhists, mainly in the east.
    and
    http://www.religionfacts.com/buddhism

    The basic teachings of Buddha are the Four Noble Truths.
    https://thebuddhistcentre.com/text/four-noble-truths

    I used the wrong word to begin with. So I feel obligated to correct it and explain some of it.
     
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    To the more scientific minded. I find an uncanny resemblance in the following illustration of Buddha sitting in the Lotus with the Mandelbrot fractal as well as the eight petals which are part of the Fibonacci sequence, also known as the Golden Rule.

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  14. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    No. Why would you think that?

    ???

    Sorry mate, I do not know what you are trying to show here.

    Jan.
     
  15. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Yes.
    Let's say you are correct. So what?

    Jan.
     
  16. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Yes.
    Come December, Santa will be in his grotto, at my local shopping center.

    Jan.
     
  17. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Wow. Uh.
    • There's really no visual correlation between that lotus shape and the Mandelbrot set. That's some seriously wishful thinking, with a hefty dose of paredolia.
    • 8 is certainly a common number. It kinda shows up everywhere. Meaning any one place is not cause for alarm.
    • The Fibonacci Series is an infinite set of numbers. By definition, one number in an infinite series is not special.
    • The Fibonacci Series has nothing to do with doing unto others as you would have them do unto you.
     
  18. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Perfect.

    And, since I followed the exact same Jan-logic to get to Santa as you used to get to God (go back and check - posts 345, 379, 403), it directly follows that God just an actor that poses for statues and stained glass window art.

    Santa doesn't really slide down chimneys and live at the North Pole - he's just an idea, sometimes personified at malls.
    God doesn't really create the universe and warm our cockles - he's just an idea, sometimes personified in tomes.
     
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  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Don't you reject the notion that many gods exist and that there is only One God?
    I was using your argument, that if one is an atheist it is really a tacit admission that God must exist, but that one claims non-belief in such a being.

    If I ask if you believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM) and your answer is "no", that would make you an "apastafarian".
    But according to you reasoning this denial would be a tacit admission that FSM exists, but that you just don't believe in it.

    I find that pretty tortured reasoning.
     
  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I know.....

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    It was an obscure attempt of humor. But if a theist sees God in everything, I reserve the right to see Fractals and Mathematical aspects to any Mysticism....

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  22. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Well said.

    Probably less inflammatory than Santa or unicorns.
     
  23. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I accept both propositions.
    God Is, and god's exist.

    An atheist is a person without belief in God/gods. There is nothing beyond that.
    Talk of whether or not God exists, is an atheist issue. As long as a person remains atheist, there is no God. So existence becomes a question, because there are theists.

    Yeah! But it's silly.

    Either you don't understand my reasoning, or you don't want to acknowledge it. If it is the latter, you are simply obfuscation, and evading.

    If the flying monster exhibits the same attributes and characteristics of God, then it is God by a different name. If it doesn't, it is irrelevant.

    That's okay. You're trying to comprehend something that you are currently unable to make any sense of.

    Jan.
     

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