gamelord:
I've never seen that, myself. Basically, you're saying that people get shamed for looking at other people. I find that hard to believe. Leering and cat-calling and stalking, and those kinds of thing are, of course, different matters.
You are being willfully naive. Women flirt with their eyes and molest people with eyes. They present themselves as entitled narcissists who think they own you just because you are male, and so they know you have no dating advantage and thus won't resist. If you don't know what I'm talking about you never will, it has to happen to you personally or else you wont know what I'm talking about. If you've ever had a woman just stare at you like they want to eat you and view you as a piece of meat, but at the same time, give a vibe you have no rights, no way to advocate yourself and that must just passively hope they will eventually choose you instead of other competitor males, then you know the double standard is real.
I said nothing about society's obligations. I stand up for anybody to wear what they want, male or female, within certain bounds of decency and in appropriate contexts. (Naked exhibitionism is not appropriate in front of children, for instance.)
If you want to wear a dress as a male, I'm right there cheering on your right to do so.
Not everybody agrees with me, however, so I merely point out that the reception you get will depend on the audience.
Yes but you said it in a way that defused what I was trying to do.
Essentially it was like I was Rosa Parks, and you told me to go to the back of the bus, and to be grateful I was allowed on the bus at all.
... says the guy who has spent most of the thread putting his misogyny on display.
You've got a fundamental disconnect going there with your attitudes. I get the impression that you're young. Let's hope that you get a better handle on what sexism is as you grow up. By the sounds of it, you've been misled by the "incel" movement. You'd be better off divorcing yourself from that. It's quite toxic.
I was never obedient to the incel movement. I am my own leader and obey noone unless it is in my interest to do so.
Your urges and arousals don't concern me. It is how you act on those which concerns me. You present as a creep in this thread. If this is how you are in real life, then it's no wonder women avoid you.
I dont rape and I obey the law, but I guess even that isn't enough for you to be satisfied. Apparently I am supposed to be happy, nice, and polite even while I am sexually frustrated. Polite to the same people who treat me like I'm worthless.
I am sorry to hear that. Nobody deserves that. But adopting this "incel" identity is more likely to harm you than to help you, in the long term.
Again I didn't adopt it, it was thrust on me.
Involuntary celibate is an involuntary condition, that is why it is called
involuntary celibate.
It is unfortunate that such harmful attitudes exist in society. That is gradually changing, at least in some places, and it needs to change more. Trust me, a lot of the people in this thread are on your side on this.
It sounds to me you're in a bad place, or surrounded by people whose attitudes to gender dysphoria are ill-informed and possibly bigoted. That's why I suggested that you might be better off trying to find a community of like-minded people. "Incels" isn't helping you. It seems to me that you don't really fit in with that, even though you're parroting the rhetoric. You don't need to make yourself a bigot just because other people have bigoted attitudes towards you. You can choose to be better than them.
I don't parrot the rhetoric as my rhetoric is different in many ways.
Why the fixation on women? Has all the sh*t been from women, never from men? If not, why are you assigning all the blame to women?
I never did assign all the blame on women.
Okay, wait.
You're saying that you want to become the thing that you hate: the American male who is driven by his hot-blooded macho ego and who treats his fellow human beings like sh*t. Why would you want that?
Never said I wanted it but like the Renegade TV show such a role was thrust on me.
For myself, I can only respond to what I see from you on the screen. If you're not actually an angry and potentially dangerous misogynist, here's a hint: don't act like you are.
You're getting fairly consistent responses in this thread. There are two possibilities: (a) all the responders are liars and slanders who don't see the real you, or (b) they are reacting honestly to what you project. The problem isn't always with other people.
As far as humanity goes most of the problems in the world
are caused by other people.
Then tell me why you would say this:
A woman (or anybody) reacting to rape is not in any way reacting to "men and males in general". She is reacting to the intimate and forced violation of her personal autonomy and bodily integrity by a specific perpetrator of a heinous crime.
Rape is fulfills two conditions: Sex that is against consent and sex that causes disgust. Women are clearly disgusted by men, this is a fact and not debatable.
Here is an example.
If a guy who is into hot girls, is thrown onto the bed by a hot girl, and she dominates him, it is not rape, because he is not disgusted by hot girls.
Rape is obviously a case of disgust, so it is obvious that women are disgusted by men.
It is obvious to see.
We live in a world where men are by and large attracted to women, but women are by and large not attracted to men.
Open up your eyes. We are barely coming out of the dark ages, women have been oppressed by men for so long you can't even see it. The truth is coming out now, that women are not into men, and never were, that is why men always oppressed them into arranged marriages, and promoted cishet culture for so long because they knew of this fact, the secret people don't wish to accept, which is that women by and large are not attracted to men.
If some sleazy guy walks up to a girl he doesn't know in a bar and says "Hey baby, why don't you slap my ass? I'm itching for some sex with a hot chick like you", what reaction would you usually expect? Yet here you are essentially demanding that a woman should accept that the sleazy guy has "needs" that she is obliged to attend to. Can't you see what's wrong with that?
Wow you totally are going on a tangent and clearly what I was actually talking about was over your head completely.
It's like you are a security gaurd or camp counselour, bible man who has an automatic white knight reflex that is so deep you don't even bother to even take the time to stop and listen to what the other person is saying. It's like for example, I will be talking with my friends about cheese and pizza, and somehow you use it an opportunity to defend women's rights, like some character in a sitcom who is placed in for comedic relief and totally is oblivious to the conversation that is actually going on.
