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So you're saying women despise themselves because they are a woman?

Do you agree with female infanticide as well?
Get out of here, you too now?

I never said women despised themselves, I said they were narcissist, the exact OPPOSITE of that.

And what the h*ll does this has to do with abortion or infanticide? Does anyone here actually do critical thinking or is this just a mob of Romans crucifying the Lord? (I dare not say jews or else the romans will call me some kind of nazi.)

I get it, I speak one line against the dogma and you all swarm me like a bunch of zombies in some Twilight Zone episode.
 
gamelord:


It's not really the same thing as molesting somebody with your body, does it?

If you don't like being "molested" by people's eyes, stay at home.
The line was about molesting with eyes, and how guys molest people with eyes and get shamed for it.
Had NOTHING to do with molesting people with physical touch.

It's not your prerogative to dictate what other people can and can't wear.
That was the whole POINT of this thread all along, was to give males a chance for freedom for what they wear.

Look, we get it. You like to dress up in women's clothing and wear makeup, but you're afraid that if you come out of the closet with this then you'll get a negative reaction from society. You might be right. It seems to me that you ought to find a community that it comfortable with your cross-dressing choices and become a part of that community, rather than suppressing your desires because you feel that people won't understand you.
I get what this is. Continue to stand up for the right for women to wear whatever clothes they want, but then say I should only wear clothes in certain safe spaces where I am comfortable, and that society has no obligation to give males the right to wear whatever clothing they want. You are absolutely undeniably sexist.
I feel like I'm a black person literally arguing with a person of the 1800's, like you are so entrenched in your sexism you wont even admit you are sexist.

What's the matter with you? Don't you have any self control? The problem here isn't women.
So if I have natural healthy male urges and get aroused at sexy females, I must have some kind of problem or defect with me.

You really have no clue, do you?

Rape is the most extreme violation of one's control and ownership of one's own body.

I don't think you're capable, but trying imagining what it might be like to be raped.
I've been raped, beaten, abused, rejected, ostracized and bullied my whole life. So I know what its like not having ownership of one's body, especially being dissatisfied with the gender I was assigned at birth and being stuck in a world full of bigots like the people in this thread.
You ought to apologise to all the women reading this crap, because you just don't understand what you're talking about.
I got a better idea, how bout all the women who've abused me in my life, apologize to me for all the sh*t they put me through.

Here's what I think. I think you're frustrated because you envy women. You want to dress like them. Maybe you'd like to be one. But you think you're being held back. So you're agnry and you project that onto women.

You really need to work through your own issues. It will make you a much happier person once you accept who you are rather than continuing this act that you're a hot-blooded macho man. It will also keep the women you interact with much safer.
I am a hot-blooded macho man only because I live in an American society entrenched in dogma and they are mental slaves and mental sheeple who refuse to reason. And because people like you spread lies and slander about me and hide behind an internet shield where you are free to post whatever hyperbolic sewage you please.

You have no idea was rape is. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. You ought to educate yourself and apologise to your readers.



Nobody, by definition, consents to being raped. That's what "rape" means.

If you haven't understood what informed consent means, you have no business having sex with anybody.
Wow you are so delusional and slanderous, you are the perfect fake news.

I have every idea what rape is. Its forced sex, when the other person doesnt want you. A third grader knows what rape is but I guess you want to go on some delusional tangent and spread fake news and slander like some typical fascist modern liberal. How delusional are you to honestly believe I don't know what rape is, you think you are insulting me but you are really insulting yourself.
Nobody, by definition, consents to being raped. That's what "rape" means.

No sh*t sherlock. Where is this even coming from? Where did I ever say rape was consensual? But par for the course for outright lies and fake news.

This is so mixed up, it is hard to know where to start. If a man wants to be slapped on the ass by a woman, and he clearly and unambiguously indicates as much to her, the matter of consent is hardly a mystery.
You aren't understanding anything here.
I was saying that men want to be approached by women. If they outright ask a woman to slap them on the ass, then THEY are the ones going to be accused of molestation!!!
 
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Oh yeah, it's brutal for males....

25% of college women report that they survived rape or an attempted rape at some point in their lifetime.
Every 21 hours, another woman is raped on a college campus today.
75% of the women who reported a rape while on a college campus were under the age of 25.
It is estimated that 1 in 4 women will be the subject of at least one sexual attack over the course of their college career.

[...]

Up to 90% of college campus rapes occur through date rape incidents.

My eyeroll here is not implied.


A few points about some of the arguments you have made in this thread that point to your advocating rape.

Exhibit 1:


When you openly advocate for drugging women for sex, under the pithy excuse that this is how women enjoy sex, you are advocating rape.

Exhibit 2:

When you argue that dating implies "sexual contact", you are advocating rape. Because no, a date does not imply sexual contact.

Exhibit 3:

No, sexual attraction does not happen under stress. Citing an evolutionary mechanism and the sentence structure implies that rape or sexual assault is required for sexual attraction, given everything you have argued in this thread..

So when you argue as such, you are literally advocating rape.

Exhibit 4:

When you whine that men cannot "use evolutionary instinct" anymore, in the manner that you have done and in the present context, you are advocating rape.

Exhibit 5:

When you diminish rape as you have done, when you completely invent a new definition for why rape is traumatising, you are advocating rape.

Those are just some examples I picked out in random posts.

If I was to sit down and go through each of your posts, I'd be here for days.

To address the nature of your posts in this thread, in general, I have one question..

Why do you blame and hate women for your personal inadequacies and hangup's?

Wow, how delusional and persecutory are you. You are like a Roman who is looking for every excuse to persecute the Lord. (Again, not allowed to say Jew because that would make me an evil nazi of course. So I will just call you some kind of Roman.)

Last year the stat is 1 out of every 6 college girls is raped, now it has increased to 1 in every 4. My my. Who am I to question these stats. But lets say and assume that these stats are accurate and true.

Absolutely nothing else in that post of yours was sane or rational. Nothing but delusional false accusations about me. This is what I mean by liberal hysteria.

Then the liberal will accuse me of being a Republican, conservative, or trump supporter.
No I am a moderate, neither leftist or rightist.
Because both sides are clearly insane.

I am sick of the lies and toxic garbage and false accusations you have dumped on me in this thread. I feel like I'm trapped in a viscous mob of zombies like Silent Hill. Just screaming heads bloodthirsty lunging at me.

Exhibit 1:
I never advocated drugging women for sex, I never even ADVOCATED for bars! I said America has bars because women are generally uninterested in picking up guys for sex until they get drunk. But feel free to twist it around in your delusional bloodthirsty zombie-like mind who is just looking for a victim to attack. Me the monster? No that's you.

Exhibit 2:
If I say a good date has sex involved, that means I advocate rape? What, are you freaking delusional? There is obviously the possibility of a guy just walking out if after several dates he does not get laid. And my view of dating is that you should not expect to get laid on the first date anyway, so you are just coming hard out of left field.

Exhibit 3:
I said stress. Not rape. But the man-feminist white knight in shining armor comes out and says everything is rape. Of course we live in a rape-culture. Because to men-feminists, everything is either rape or advocacy of rape.
Like if I say, a shy girl is nervous on a date, and her being nervous triggers sexual attraction, you will say that is rape.
What the freaking frick.

Exhibit 4:
More inanities and twisted delusions from your mind. I was saying that evolutionary excuses are generally frowned on by society. In that same token, women ought not to use evolutionary excuses for bad behavoir. I litterally implied that evolutionary excuses were a form of bad behavoir.

Exhibit 5:
I didn't diminish rape, I said that women act like they are heterosexual men, and implied that a man raping a straight man is very traumatizing. My point being is that women seem to behave as though they are heterosexual men.
Because if you flipped it around, and a man got raped by a woman, society would not take it very seriously. Or if a man gets molested by a woman, society does not take it seriously, because society knows men are attracted to women. What I point out is what society doesn't want to say: That women are disturbed by male sexual advance because they very much are not attracted to men hardly at all. I do not ever claim women aren't disturbed by male sexual advance, what I do is state and explore the reasons WHY women are so much more disturbed by male sexual advance, in comparison to males not being so disturbed at female sexual advance. And you know why people don't discuss this, is because of people like you, who hyperbole, spread lies, to anyone dares to have a rational debate or speak truths that you can't even properly interpret due to your irrational vitriolic hyperbole and hysteria.

Finally,

The question I must ask you, is have you no shame.

In any case, I recommend you close this thread, this discussion is getting nowhere, I will no longer tolerate your viscious attacks, lies and piles of inanities you keep assaulting me with. If you can't be reasonable and rational then I do not wish to continue this discussion with people who can't be reasonable at debate. You people aren't good people.
 
Get out of here, you too now?

I never said women despised themselves, I said they were narcissist, the exact OPPOSITE of that.

And what the h*ll does this has to do with abortion or infanticide? Does anyone here actually do critical thinking or is this just a mob of Romans crucifying the Lord? (I dare not say jews or else the romans will call me some kind of nazi.)

I get it, I speak one line against the dogma and you all swarm me like a bunch of zombies in some Twilight Zone episode.

No, you don't make any moral and reasonable sense is all.
 
No, you don't make any moral and reasonable sense is all.
Wait a second, if you agree that females are born narcissistic, you'd be all for female infanticide, wouldn't you?

Funny how your words can work, if you pay attention to what you say.

:EDIT:

And, you can always cop out with saying you don't know what you were saying in the first place.

B-)
 
Wait a second, if you agree that females are born narcissistic, you'd be all for female infanticide, wouldn't you?

Funny how your words can work, if you pay attention to what you say.

:EDIT:

And, you can always cop out with saying you don't know what you were saying in the first place.

B-)
When did I say females are born narcissistic? There narcissism is mostly a product of american culture and social attitudes.

No, you don't make any moral and reasonable sense is all.
funny because it is humanity at large who makes no reasonable moral sense, and I am usually the only moral person.
Case in point, I was a strict vegetarian for many years while the people around me always used some form of selective morality in order to justify their murders. Their morality is just whatever happens to be the soup of the day.
 
Case in point, I was a strict vegetarian for many years while the people around me always used some form of selective morality in order to justify their murders.

Case in point, women are more inclined to sex if they are not hungry.

I mean, do I even have to justify that?
 
Case in point, women are more inclined to sex if they are not hungry.

I mean, do I even have to justify that?
What is this I don't even.

Doesn't even make sense, as sex is an extension of the hunger reflex and so hungry people are more horny.
 
I got a better idea, how bout all the women who've abused me in my life, apologize to me for all the sh*t they put me through
Or you can rise above it and "forgive because they know not what they do".
I think that would match your underlying psychological profile, don't you think? :)
 
Gamelord, you mention that you feel a woman trapped in a man's body. That's a DNA issue not a cultural issue.

You've compared cultural gender issues with equal rights for blacks, women, etc. Those are rights under the law, which includes gender as well. They aren't rights for personal behavior. No one has to date a black person, a woman, a Jewish person, etc.

If you didn't feel like you were a woman trapped in a man's body, you wouldn't be having any issues. Why not address that rather than trying to change society to match your DNA?
 
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I am sick of the lies and toxic garbage and false accusations you have dumped on me in this thread. I feel like I'm trapped in a viscous mob of zombies like Silent Hill. Just screaming heads bloodthirsty lunging at me.
And you have no idea how many times I have had to deal with men like you. You have no idea how many times we have done this dance with people like you on this website.

To wit, it is safe to say that I had avoided this thread because it really is too much of a horrific thing. We have done this too many times to count with people who think just like you do. You aren't the first, nor will you be the last. Most importantly, your misogyny is not even original. You are simply repeating the same tired and overused tropes that we have seen countless of times on this website and that permeates society, particularly online groups.. In short, your whining is boring, it is not original and we have seen enough men make sexist fools of themselves to actually feel any shred of sympathy when people like you spout this sort of rubbish and then cry foul when you are called out on it.

More to the point, we have seen men like you attempt to change the narrative of their own words in a bid to feign innocence or to deny their own arguments when called out on it:

Exhibit 1:
I never advocated drugging women for sex, I never even ADVOCATED for bars! I said America has bars because women are generally uninterested in picking up guys for sex until they get drunk. But feel free to twist it around in your delusional bloodthirsty zombie-like mind who is just looking for a victim to attack. Me the monster? No that's you.

Exhibit 2:
If I say a good date has sex involved, that means I advocate rape? What, are you freaking delusional? There is obviously the possibility of a guy just walking out if after several dates he does not get laid. And my view of dating is that you should not expect to get laid on the first date anyway, so you are just coming hard out of left field.

Exhibit 3:
I said stress. Not rape. But the man-feminist white knight in shining armor comes out and says everything is rape. Of course we live in a rape-culture. Because to men-feminists, everything is either rape or advocacy of rape.
Like if I say, a shy girl is nervous on a date, and her being nervous triggers sexual attraction, you will say that is rape.
What the freaking frick.

Exhibit 4:
More inanities and twisted delusions from your mind. I was saying that evolutionary excuses are generally frowned on by society. In that same token, women ought not to use evolutionary excuses for bad behavoir. I litterally implied that evolutionary excuses were a form of bad behavoir.

Exhibit 5:
I didn't diminish rape, I said that women act like they are heterosexual men, and implied that a man raping a straight man is very traumatizing. My point being is that women seem to behave as though they are heterosexual men.
Because if you flipped it around, and a man got raped by a woman, society would not take it very seriously. Or if a man gets molested by a woman, society does not take it seriously, because society knows men are attracted to women. What I point out is what society doesn't want to say: That women are disturbed by male sexual advance because they very much are not attracted to men hardly at all. I do not ever claim women aren't disturbed by male sexual advance, what I do is state and explore the reasons WHY women are so much more disturbed by male sexual advance, in comparison to males not being so disturbed at female sexual advance. And you know why people don't discuss this, is because of people like you, who hyperbole, spread lies, to anyone dares to have a rational debate or speak truths that you can't even properly interpret due to your irrational vitriolic hyperbole and hysteria.
No no, please, tell us how you aren't advocating and excusing rape some more.

You aren't preaching truths. You are simply preaching the same old forms of whining we have come to know and expect from people like you.

Finally,

The question I must ask you, is have you no shame.
I think that is a question you should aim at yourself.

Have you no shame? At all? Aren't you even a little bit embarrassed?

In any case, I recommend you close this thread, this discussion is getting nowhere, I will no longer tolerate your viscious attacks, lies and piles of inanities you keep assaulting me with.
Yes. Poor you.

Attack women as a whole, excuse rape and sexual assault, excuse and advocating for intoxicating and drugging women in bars for sex (because in your warped and twisted view, this is the only way women enjoy sex), and then whine about how you are the real victim here because your misogynistic bullshit is called out. I mean, you are so ridiculous, you even start referring to the men correcting you as women.. Sorry, "female"..

*Yawn*

I am so over men like you blaming women for your inadequacies. I really am. It's boring. Most importantly, it is downright dangerous. You seem to believe that women owe men sex. That "incel's" are owed sex. That you need sex. That the reason you don't have sex is because of women.

However, there seems to be some thought lately, largely among young men, that if they are denied sex, they are being denied something they are entitled to. In the Trump era, numerous men seem to feel that having as much sex as Hugh Hefner with whatever women they choose is an essential part of the American Dream that ought not be denied to them. They no longer view sex as a hobby so much as a resource that they are owed in order to function in a decent, non-violent fashion.

So let’s be clear: No one owes you sex.

No one owes you sex now. No one will owe you sex tomorrow. No one will ever owe you sex. They will not owe you sex if you are nice to them. They will not owe you sex if you threaten them. Because no one will ever owe you sex.

[...]

Getting laid is not going to fix hateful misogynists. It’s just going to hurt women
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If you do not 'get sex', it is not because of women. It is not because women are narcissists.

It is because you come across as a creep.
 
gamelord:

The line was about molesting with eyes, and how guys molest people with eyes and get shamed for it.
I've never seen that, myself. Basically, you're saying that people get shamed for looking at other people. I find that hard to believe. Leering and cat-calling and stalking, and those kinds of thing are, of course, different matters.

That was the whole POINT of this thread all along, was to give males a chance for freedom for what they wear.
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I get what this is. Continue to stand up for the right for women to wear whatever clothes they want, but then say I should only wear clothes in certain safe spaces where I am comfortable, and that society has no obligation to give males the right to wear whatever clothing they want. You are absolutely undeniably sexist.
I said nothing about society's obligations. I stand up for anybody to wear what they want, male or female, within certain bounds of decency and in appropriate contexts. (Naked exhibitionism is not appropriate in front of children, for instance.)

If you want to wear a dress as a male, I'm right there cheering on your right to do so.

Not everybody agrees with me, however, so I merely point out that the reception you get will depend on the audience.

I feel like I'm a black person literally arguing with a person of the 1800's, like you are so entrenched in your sexism you wont even admit you are sexist.
... says the guy who has spent most of the thread putting his misogyny on display.

You've got a fundamental disconnect going there with your attitudes. I get the impression that you're young. Let's hope that you get a better handle on what sexism is as you grow up. By the sounds of it, you've been misled by the "incel" movement. You'd be better off divorcing yourself from that. It's quite toxic.

So if I have natural healthy male urges and get aroused at sexy females, I must have some kind of problem or defect with me.
Your urges and arousals don't concern me. It is how you act on those which concerns me. You present as a creep in this thread. If this is how you are in real life, then it's no wonder women avoid you.

I've been raped, beaten, abused, rejected, ostracized and bullied my whole life.
I am sorry to hear that. Nobody deserves that. But adopting this "incel" identity is more likely to harm you than to help you, in the long term.

So I know what its like not having ownership of one's body, especially being dissatisfied with the gender I was assigned at birth and being stuck in a world full of bigots like the people in this thread.
It is unfortunate that such harmful attitudes exist in society. That is gradually changing, at least in some places, and it needs to change more. Trust me, a lot of the people in this thread are on your side on this.

It sounds to me you're in a bad place, or surrounded by people whose attitudes to gender dysphoria are ill-informed and possibly bigoted. That's why I suggested that you might be better off trying to find a community of like-minded people. "Incels" isn't helping you. It seems to me that you don't really fit in with that, even though you're parroting the rhetoric. You don't need to make yourself a bigot just because other people have bigoted attitudes towards you. You can choose to be better than them.

I got a better idea, how bout all the women who've abused me in my life, apologize to me for all the sh*t they put me through.
Why the fixation on women? Has all the sh*t been from women, never from men? If not, why are you assigning all the blame to women?

I am a hot-blooded macho man only because I live in an American society entrenched in dogma and they are mental slaves and mental sheeple who refuse to reason. And because people like you spread lies and slander about me and hide behind an internet shield where you are free to post whatever hyperbolic sewage you please.
Okay, wait.

You're saying that you want to become the thing that you hate: the American male who is driven by his hot-blooded macho ego and who treats his fellow human beings like sh*t. Why would you want that?

For myself, I can only respond to what I see from you on the screen. If you're not actually an angry and potentially dangerous misogynist, here's a hint: don't act like you are.

You're getting fairly consistent responses in this thread. There are two possibilities: (a) all the responders are liars and slanders who don't see the real you, or (b) they are reacting honestly to what you project. The problem isn't always with other people.

I have every idea what rape is. Its forced sex, when the other person doesnt want you. A third grader knows what rape is but I guess you want to go on some delusional tangent and spread fake news and slander like some typical fascist modern liberal.
Then tell me why you would say this:
gamelord said:
That the reason rape is traumatizing to women, is because they are sexually repulsed by everything about men and males in general.

A woman (or anybody) reacting to rape is not in any way reacting to "men and males in general". She is reacting to the intimate and forced violation of her personal autonomy and bodily integrity by a specific perpetrator of a heinous crime.

You aren't understanding anything here.
I was saying that men want to be approached by women. If they outright ask a woman to slap them on the ass, then THEY are the ones going to be accused of molestation!!!
If some sleazy guy walks up to a girl he doesn't know in a bar and says "Hey baby, why don't you slap my ass? I'm itching for some sex with a hot chick like you", what reaction would you usually expect? Yet here you are essentially demanding that a woman should accept that the sleazy guy has "needs" that she is obliged to attend to. Can't you see what's wrong with that?
 
Almost everyone in this thread seems to be extremely delusional.

But the flaming on me has gone less extreme, so I've decided to humor them with a reply.

Or you can rise above it and "forgive because they know not what they do".
I think that would match your underlying psychological profile, don't you think? :)
It is said that second coming of the lord would not be of peace, but of fire and brimstone.

 
Gamelord, you mention that you feel a woman trapped in a man's body. That's a DNA issue not a cultural issue.

You've compared cultural gender issues with equal rights for blacks, women, etc. Those are rights under the law, which includes gender as well. They aren't rights for personal behavior. No one has to date a black person, a woman, a Jewish person, etc.

If you didn't feel like you were a woman trapped in a man's body, you wouldn't be having any issues. Why not address that rather than trying to change society to match your DNA?

So here are you defending racist dating behavoir. Look either make up your mind. Either stand by your racism or dont. But dont go around acting like a liberal, while you go around defending racist views.

And no, I have noticed that being a man is harder than being trans. It is easier in some ways, to get a job and family acceptance by society. But in terms of romance, it is much harder to get noticed by either sex as a man than it is trans.

Song to help understand the male struggle

And you have no idea how many times I have had to deal with men like you. You have no idea how many times we have done this dance with people like you on this website.
There is noone exact like me on this website, I am one of a kind.

To wit, it is safe to say that I had avoided this thread because it really is too much of a horrific thing. We have done this too many times to count with people who think just like you do. You aren't the first, nor will you be the last. Most importantly, your misogyny is not even original. You are simply repeating the same tired and overused tropes that we have seen countless of times on this website and that permeates society, particularly online groups.. In short, your whining is boring, it is not original and we have seen enough men make sexist fools of themselves to actually feel any shred of sympathy when people like you spout this sort of rubbish and then cry foul when you are called out on it.
Incorrect. And I dare say there is noone on this webpage who has views quite like mine.


No no, please, tell us how you aren't advocating and excusing rape some more.
I have already told you and defended myself. If this was Phoenix Wright you'd be the one on your last leg and the one asked to provide evidence for your prosecutory allegations. But I guess you are the judge and jury here, so you can go on your flamebait accusatory rants and noone bats an eye.
You aren't preaching truths. You are simply preaching the same old forms of whining we have come to know and expect from people like you.
Really because that's exactly how I would describe you.



Have you no shame? At all? Aren't you even a little bit embarrassed?
Sure even when slander is fake, I do feel some embarassment when people spread lies about me. Such is the nature of gossip.


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ttack women as a whole, excuse rape and sexual assault, excuse and advocating for intoxicating and drugging women in bars for sex (because in your warped and twisted view, this is the only way women enjoy sex), and then whine about how you are the real victim here because your misogynistic bullshit is called out. I mean, you are so ridiculous, you even start referring to the men correcting you as women.. Sorry, "female"..
You wrap yourself in delusion, bathe in it.
When did I excuse rape? And when did I even advocate for bars? I said I don't even like going into bars.
Do you know how ridiculous you sound?
What's next you are going to try and ban booze from america and claim booze is sexist rapemachines and anyone who drinks booze is an evil bigot.


I am so over men like you blaming women for your inadequacies. I really am. It's boring. Most importantly, it is downright dangerous. You seem to believe that women owe men sex. That "incel's" are owed sex. That you need sex. That the reason you don't have sex is because of women.
I do need sex. And the reason I don't get sex is because of women. You know, because a. not into dudes and b. I believe in consent and dont rape. Because women get to choose who does or doesn't get sex.
This is a fact, that no doubt you will try to twist around as part of some fake news. So if I say I don't rape, you will say it means I rape. I have come to expect this kind of twisted thinking from people such as yourself. It's like you need a victim to hate, and that victim just happens to be me, to vent all your frustrations on the world on. You are the nazi, and I am the jew, your personal punching bag you blame for every imaginary thing you hate in your twisted mind.

And fun fact, american women are narcissists. How else to explain the high standards that american males are expected to adhere to? Only a narcissist would expect a man to be stoic and also buy her a diamond ring at the bare minimum.

Fun fact I don't believe women owe men sex. If you have been listening, which you haven't (as to be expected of people of your type), my views are somewhat the opposite. I have been saying that american women are essentially heterosexual men and as such, are repulsed by men. I was saying rather that society owes men gender rights and gender freedoms to wear more feminine clothing and styles.

But feel free to go on your hyperbolic crusade against the heretic of the day, seems popular with your species historically.

If you do not 'get sex', it is not because of women. It is not because women are narcissists.

It is because you come across as a creep.
Maybe I come off as a creep, because a. people like you spread lies and gossip about me, or b. because american is a sh*thole country and I don't hide my disdain of the common slaves, sheep, mental midgets, hypocrits and traitors that surround me.

If this was a rap battle, you'd be demolished right now.
 
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