Evidence of telepathy among autistic savants

Of course they didn't. FC is a way to use your child as a Ouija board. Tactile effects are by definition not visually detectable, just like with the Ouija board.
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So the fact that FC WASN'T observed means it happened because by definition it isn't observable. That seems like an awfully flawed syllogism..
 
Magical Realist said:
So the fact that FC WASN'T observed means it happened because by definition it isn't observable. That seems like an awfully flawed syllogism..
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Please review the thread before making such uninformed statements. This has been explained several times in several ways.

It doesn't matter if there was or was not any pollution.

The experiment was not designed to rule out a known form of pollution. Therefore, it cannot be used to make the claim she tried to make. The design of the test does not support the claim. It is flawed, and results therefore must be discarded. She is welcome to redesign the test and remove the flaws.
 
DaveC426913 said:
Please review the thread before making such uninformed statements. This has been explained several times in several ways.

It doesn't matter if there was or was not any pollution.

The experiment was not designed to rule out a known form of pollution. Therefore, it cannot be used to make the claim she tried to make. The design of the test does not support the claim. It is flawed, and results therefore must be discarded. She is welcome to redesign the test and remove the flaws.
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So they don't really know there was cuing going on. Tks for confirming that.
 
Magical Realist said:
So they don't really know there was cuing going on. Tks for confirming that.
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Correct. But you already knew that.

The take way here, as explained is that it doesn't matter if it was or wasn't. We can never know, so we must act as if it spoiled the results. Unconscious communication is a known pollutant. (Did you read up in Clever Hans?)

The experiment is flawed and worthless. In fact, it is worse than useless; It must be discarded so that it does not pollute the body of good experiments that might try to leverage it.

Heck, even The Amazing Kreskin knew it was important to remove the potential for cueing in order for his tricks to be believed, and he was just a stage performer.
 
No experiments are ever useless. Either it is evidence of a world-shattering new phenomena or it is evidence of unconscious cuing. Either way something is learned, prompting the need for more research and more rigid experimentation. That's the way of real science...a continuously self-updating and open-minded enterprise that never quits.
 
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Magical Realist said:
No experiments are ever useless.
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Well-designed experiments are not useless.

Badly-designed experiments are worse than useless.

An incompetent scientist designs an experiment to test the healing effects of fridge magnets on pimples, not bothering to check if spurious magnetic sources are interfering. His conclusion, and results are demonstrably flawed and must be discarded whether or not his lab is next to an MRI unit. We can't go back and check if there was interference - the data is ruined and the experiment must be repeated, this time with proper technique.

Again it doesn't matter whether or not there was interference. The data can be corrupt, therefore it must be treated as if it is.


Magical Realist said:
Either it is evidence of a world-shattering new phenomena or it is evidence of unconscious cuing.
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False. It is evidence of a poorly designed and executed experiment. It demonstrates nothing useful.

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Either way something is learned, prompting the need for more research and more rigid experimentation.
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Sure. But the data, and conclusions drawn from it, are discarded.

What has been learned is that sloppy - or at least hasty - technique gets one's study thrown out and one's credibility damaged.

Magical Realist said:
That's the way of real science...a continuously self-updating and open-minded enterprise that never quits.
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A deepity which has little application here.
 
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False. It is evidence of a poorly designed and executed experiment. It demonstrates nothing useful.
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Meaning exactly what I said, that there could be unconscious cuing going on. Hence the usefulness of the experiment in providing information about that particular phenomenon if that is in fact what happened. Hence again it is either evidence of a world-shattering new phenomena or it is evidence of unconscious cuing. So it is certainly not useless. Science builds on its mistakes..
 
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No experiments are ever useless.
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Poorly designed experiments are rarely useful, except as examples of what to avoid in future.
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Either it is evidence of a world-shattering new phenomena or it is evidence of unconscious cuing.
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If telepathy is real, it hasn't shattered the world so far. You'd think somebody would have noticed by now, without the need for fine-grained testing, if telepathy was at all a significant force in the world.
 
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the usefulness of the experiment in providing information about that particular phenomenon
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They couldn't learn anything about it from this experiment - if could not be seen in the footage, right? Can't have it both ways.



Anyway, it's moot. There's no indication of telepathy here.
 
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If telepathy is real, it hasn't shattered the world so far.
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We have no way of knowing how much telepathic experiences have effected mankind thru out history. But we do have across all cultures and nations innumerable reports of such. It seems to happen whenever it wants. There doesn't seem to be any way to control or summon it. Does that mean we shouldn't study it? No.. Ben Franklin studied electricity before we had any way to control or use it. So research in telepathy should definitely continue.

You'd think somebody would have noticed by now, without the need for fine-grained testing, if telepathy was at all a significant force in the world.
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It goes back to why science should study any anomalous phenomenon that has no explanation. Joseph Rhine studied ESP for years at his well-funded Duke University lab in the 1930's, proving it to be real in over 90,000 tests. But people lost interest when no scientific explanation could be found for it. Again, it wasn't useful or profitable, so it was eventually ignored.
 
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Joseph Rhine studied ESP for years at his well-funded Duke University lab in the 1930's, proving it to be real in over 90,000 tests.
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No he didn't. Since...

"...Rhine's results have never been duplicated by the scientific community." and many have tried.

That too is fundamental part of the scientific method you invoked earlier.

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But people lost interest when..
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"... the card-guessing method used in the Rhine experiments contained flaws that did not rule out the possibility of sensory leakage..."
 
TheVat said:
As should research on leprechauns.
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Took the words outta my mouth.

I mean, no one is preventing any scientists from pursuing research into telepathy, or leprechauns; research is proceeding apace, as warranted by its merits.

So I'm not sure why our former Woo-champion needs to make the point, except to take a personal stand.
Alas, it is moot - may he troll in peace.
 
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