To know about real benefit, cost benefit ratio will apply. Cost means, side/,afverse effects, cost of medication, possibility of harmful medications which banned or called back on field applications even after well studied DBPC studies, possible medical negligence etc Benefits will be real benefits in dhort along with long term. One can base his choice accordingly. Moreover when molecular presence is now justified here, no scam now. Simply these are need to be regularized in modern langauage. Scan was there when remedies was tested just as water and as well as invalid studies.Bear in mind that just because people get convinced they're getting a benefit from a scam doesn't mean that it's not a scam. People can be blissful in their ignorance. At least until the placebo effect doesn't work with them.
Do homeopathic remedies contain measurable quantities of the "medicine"?
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I do have an issue when people I care about are misled by quacks into treatments for their illnesses that don't work - and are injured or killed as a result.
Fortunately my family and friends generally know to steer clear of such for-profit scams.
As an example of the harm that such scams can do, when Steve Jobs was diagnosed with an easily-treated form of pancreatic cancer, he didn't have it removed. Instead he turned to alternative medicine - a vegan diet, acupuncture, herbs, bowel cleansings, even psychics. Needless to say they didn't work. After nine months, the cancer had spread significantly and was no longer operable. He tried surgery anyway, but it was too late, and he died in 2011.
That's the price that some people who believe in alternative medicine pay.
So if you are going to try to sell people on your homeopathic treatment for headaches, go for it. But if you recommend your treatments INSTEAD OF medical treatment of serious illnesses, shame on you. If you do that, you will bear responsibility for the injury your treatment enables.
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Cost of Oscillococcinum: c.USD15-20 for 6 pills.
Cost of pure water and sugar-pills: minimal.
You're certainly right that pure water is not harmful in such small doses, no adverse effects, it's not banned, there can be no medical negligence because nothing can go wrong.
Benefits will be as you'd expect from a placebo.
Stop lying. You have not justified any presence of the active ingredient being sold, as explained to you repeatedly, other than in, perhaps, low-C remedies - i.e. weak potency.
Unfortunately your poor english and typing is making it hard for me to understand everything you say, and this is one such time I'm going to go "????"
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To declare homeooathic renedies as plain water is big scam to discredit and discourage it esp in view of six justifications given by me. If you in odd perceotion, do not want to accept it then just try testing it.
Yes, I have some language problem. However peopke are managing here for whatever they like but not whatever they do not like. Sorry.
It is provably plain water. It's like holy water - water that has been blessed or influenced or something. If you are Catholic it might be a big deal. But physically it's just plain water.
This scam has been used several times in the past. "Hexagonal water" and Penta Water has been touted as a "different form of water" that makes seeds germinate faster, and cures cancer, arthritis, cirrhosis, heart disease, and teenage acne. " The seller claimed that "our water protects DNA. It acts as a sort of anti-aging process. Heck, it may even be the fountain of youth!" Another claim was that "human skin cells cultured in Penta water had significantly less damage from ultraviolet radiation than skin cells cultured in plain water" despite the fact that human cells will not grow in water, since such cells require saline to prevent osmotic problems.
But in a business sense it worked very well indeed; they made a lot of money from plain old water, just as homeopaths do.
Whether homeopathic "remedies" have a few molecules of the active substance in them or not (and, by the way, they will not unless the homeopath has been incompetent in following the homeopathic recipe for preparing it), doesn't really matter.
They have been shown not to work in double-blind studies. The gold standard of scientific proof.
There's no point in speculating on how they might work, when it has already been shown that they do not work.
Stop being dishonest. I have shown why the 6 "justifications" you provided are not actual justifications for there being any of the advertised/sold active ingredient in remedies of a supposedly reasonably potent solution, and you have yet to address those matters. Yes, low potency remedies may well have some molecules, and anything up to 6C I'd actually think it likely that there is some (i.e. at least one molecule) in the remedy given. But these are "low potency" remedies. Even at 12C, as mathematically shown, there is unlikely to be any molecule in the remedy, as you'd need to take 18ml of the solution for there to be a reasonable chance of having 1 molecule.
And yes, it is almost certain that the remedy will not be only water molecules, even at 200C, but will contain some pollution or glass molecules etc. Note that even "ultrapure water", which I'm not even sure homeopathy uses as the basis for their solutions, has impurities at the level equivalent of 4C or so. But these impurities are not the active ingredient being sold. So your continued argument in that vein is simply a red-herring.
So either deal with the criticisms against the 6 points you have raised, or accept that those "justifications" are anything but. If you continue to just respond with "but I have given six justifications..." without dealing with the flaws identified then you are just trolling.
Science has already done that. It works no better than placebo.
I'm not complaining that your language/spelling is bad (heck, it's far superior to anything I can do in a foreign language) only that I could not actually understand that particular comment you made.
Okay simply we need to understsnd if really applicable double blind study is done on their working or just routine scientific study? Study need to be conducted by same standard as homeopathic remedies are prescribed to real patients by competent homeooaths. It is because nature of its agents are different from modern meds.
Moreover I do not understand how real patients can be ethically or legally kept without any medicine in placebo group for long term to study?
No, it is not just plain water. My six justifications, my syrup example and lot of practical experisnces justify it. Now accept please.
I won't accept your lie, even if you do say 'please'.
If you do not accept existsnce of SUN m, no one can claim but what they will think about you is well understood. So accept the existsnce of SUN.
Unlimited surguments can not be repeated esp on odd perceotion. Change your perception than evauakate six justifications, you will certainly be positive. Morever environmentsl factirs also serve as catskysts to healing so can not be overlooked.
No, it is not just plain water. My six justifications, my syrup example and lot of practical experisnces justify it. So Now accept.
If you think I have an "odd perception" then it is to you to change it. You have given what you think are justifications, and I have explained, repeatedly now, why they are not. The ball is in your court. Just saying that my perception is "odd", and that if I change it that I'll then accept your "justifications", is no argument at all, and really just an admission that you have nothing to counter the flaws identified with your "justifications".
Irrelevant. We're talking about whether there is any active ingredient in the remedy. If there is no active ingredient then it matters not whether there is any catalyst.
Straw man. We're talking about the presence of active ingredient, not whether the remedy is pure water. (Referring to it as plain water is shorthand for saying that there is no active ingredient.) If you claim, as you do, that there will be active ingredient in the remedy, it is no good explaining why there are other molecules in the remedy that aren't active ingredient.
US: "There's no dog visible in this kennel!"
YOU: "Yes there is... here's justification that there's a cat in there!"
No they don't. For reasons given, and which you have not yet countered. All you're doing is repeating that you have given 6 "justifications". I.e. you're trolling.
I have explained, repeatedly, why your justifications are not accepted, and why your more general position is not accepted. If you can't be arsed to do anything more than simply repeat your flawed "justifications" without addressing those flaws, then you are trolling. I now accept that you are a troll.
I am not here to fight or counter attack or just to increase posts. I also can bot involve myself in repeated long and unnecessary discussions. I have already given both theoritical and practical justifications. It is upto you acceot it or not with positive perceotion. Those with positive perceotion aporeciate me for it. So end of odd discussion from my side. Sirry snd thanks for all. Bye.
Bye.
When prooer RCT is done;
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S096522991830829X
When proper individuakized RCT study is done it brought positive outcome.
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Conclusion
IH( individualized homeopathy) to produce significantly better effect than placebo. Rigorous trials and independent replications are warranted."
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S096522991830829X
When proper individuakized RCT study is done it brought positive outcome.
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Conclusion
IH( individualized homeopathy) to produce significantly better effect than placebo. Rigorous trials and independent replications are warranted."
Followed by:
This is item #17 on that list I posted previously - the Grand Trampling Exit.
Sorry I could not find it. Hiwever most studies done were non individuakized so invalid in homeooathic sense. One with positive attitude can take sbove study is positive outcome othereise nothing is perfect so on negative perceotion flaws can be more visible.
If you're only going to go away for 3 hours you don't have to say 'bye'.