Congratulations America - you got the president you deserve

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Remaining in a bubble requires a lot of denial.
And, you continue to deny the obvious. Even some of your Maga cult members are seeing the error of their ways, realizing that if Trump sets out to do what he says he's going to do, they will lose a great deal. This, even before Trump has taken office. Many more Maga cult members will wake up as their lives change dramatically for the worse. There will come a time when the vast majority of Americans, including Maga, will say they've had enough and will revolt against Trump and his mob.

Trump has sided with the billionaires, and since you elected him to office, you are of no use to him anymore and he will make sure you know it.
 
All theists are not fascists but all fascists are theists.

That's not actually true.

I'm assuming you're saying that you are a theist …

Given that I have explained this, repeatedly, before, I can only wonder why you need so much make believe.

(2013↗, 2016↗, 2017↗, 2018↗, 2021↗, 2022↗, 2023↗, 2024↗. Really, I don't think I've been unclear about this.)​

Oh, but it has evolved.

Do you still define religion as belief in God? Just for instance.

Because, your point about fascists and theists, that would be the likely mistake. Y'know, just for instance.

Btw, the Quakers are on our side, against Trump and making the same arguments against fascism.

Remember, this started↗ with sarcasm↗.

Lose the plot, much?
 
With regards to theists , you’re only hard in yourselves. Remaining in a bubble requires a lot of denial.
What are you talking about, Trek? What's this bubble you think some (all?) of us are in?
 
What are you talking about, Trek? What's this bubble you think some (all?) of us are in?
Do you believe that George Floyd was murdered, and the Officer Derek Chauvin was rightly convicted and sent to jail??

Do you believe America is systemically racist?

Do you think Donald Trump is a racist?
 
Do you believe America is systemically racist?
In some ways, yes. We are way better than we once were - but if you are black, a traffic stop is still FAR more dangerous than for someone who is white.
Do you think Donald Trump is a racist?
Yes - from his own words and the behavior of his companies.
 
Lefties are complete idiots who not only lack backbone and common sense, but are completely dangerous.
Whereas MAGAs are pedophiles, rapists and felons.

When you find yourself defending rapists, pedophiles and felons, and attacking fact checkers - it's a good clue that you are on the wrong side.
 
Being "right wing" is fine, it's a view, an ideology, is this LEFT WING SF? If it is I am at the wrong dinner party.

Fallacy: False equivalence, changing the subject.

Consider that being "theist" is fine; it's a view, an ideology.

By comparison, why would anybody object to that? See, that's the thing, these blank declarations and basic fallacies skip out on the detail. To wit, if, for instance, you point to some perceived problem about theists and theism, I might actually agree; indeed, that's an essential component of the juxtaposition.

But you just reset that to a blank slate. That is, you skipped out on the proposition of any problem in order to cover, what, merely "being" right-wing? If it was a matter of merely being, then that would be all there is to it, and there wouldn't be a whole lot to discuss. In that way, it's kind of like an atheist once explained↗ of religious people: "I do take issue with them at the point where their unsupported beliefs start having detrimental impacts on other people."

And if that atheist happens to take less issue with the unsupported beliefs of right wingers, it would not, these days, be surprising; internet audiences have had a while, now, to adjust to the fact that, among atheists, rational argument often stops when it encounters something a given atheist sympathizes with.

If, for instance, the difference between keeping a woman in her place being wrong or right is the difference between believing in God or having a political view that doesn't explicitly say anything about God, it's still wrong. I don't understand why that is so confusing to some people, but, for instance, it's part of why a certain modern Rationalism that rippled through tech circles over the last fifteen or so years has pretty much collapsed into pseudoreligious crackpottery. (It is, quite literally, derived from Harry Potter fan fiction.)

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What does it look like, then, to merely be right-wing? We actually already have an answer in history: Are you able to remember when Donald Trump rode down his escalator to start his presidential run? Can you recall how people tried to make excuses about his racism, and that they just liked how he said what he thought, and all that sort of stuff? Right, so, they got tired of merely being right-wing, is what happened; they wanted a more substantial and effective right-wing experience.

It's kind of like the old complaint about political correctness; it's one thing for them to have their beliefs, but they really wanted to be able to say that stuff and make it stick.

• This is one of those things where I'm, like, ¿How many times do I have to go through this with people, around here?. If you can find the connection between a 2017↗ news article about sexual harassment in the workplace, and a 2018↗ commentary on the "intellectual dark web", that would be a good start. Hint: They both reach back to the 1980s complaint against "political correctness": Thought police, hardly; the problem is not in the thinking or believing, but in the speaking and doing and inflicting.​

Do you know the phrase, "Southern Strategy"? It's an American political term, and think of it this way: Any number of "nevertrump" Republicans are just fine with certain outcomes as long as they never have to say it so explicitly. In law, we refer to disparate impact, and the infamous "Southern Strategy" is as direct an expresssion of how to deliberately pursue disparate impact as you will ever hear an American politician express. As I put it during the first Trump administration↗, contemporary iterations across the conservative spectrum seem imbued with a post-Southern Strategy faux-naïveté whereby not saying it explicitly somehow absolves responsibility for consciously pursuing an effect.

And that's what it looks like to merely be right-wing.

They want the racism, but they're not racists. They want the misogyny, but they're not misogynists. They want the Christian supremacism, but they're not supremacists. They want the authoritarianism, but they're not authoritarians.

One of the things that stands out, living the experience daily, but might not be so apparent from afar, is how easily they get their way.

And look what you did, presuming around the implicit juxtaposition of problematic circumstance. That's how easy it is.

Also, you need to recognize there just isn't that much of a left wing at Sciforums. Disparate standards intend discouraging effects, so it is not surprising that liberal, progressive, and leftist representation would appear to have declined over time.
 
Consider that being "theist" is fine; it's a view, an ideology.
Yes, exactly that. Being a theist is fine I put no qualifiers there at all.
Fallacy: False equivalence, changing the subject.
No.
Just responding to something you said. Ask Seattle if he thinks he has been given an easy ride because he supports Trump.
Also Sculptor.

Or Trek. I find that poster particularly difficult because he tells lies all the time but reading his replies on other things, indicates he applies the same level of thinking to everything.
 
Do you believe that George Floyd was murdered, and the Officer Derek Chauvin was rightly convicted and sent to jail??

Do you believe America is systemically racist?

Do you think Donald Trump is a racist?
Yes, yes and yes.

My house was built in 1928. I have the original deed to it in my archives. It states very plainly that the purchaser agrees that they will not sell the property to a person of color. When I was child there were still signs above several of the water fountains in Ft Worth that said "Colored only" and "Whites only". If that's not systemic racism, I don't know what is.
 
Yes, exactly that. Being a theist is fine I put no qualifiers there at all.

No.
Just responding to something you said. Ask Seattle if he thinks he has been given an easy ride because he supports Trump.
Also Sculptor.

Or Trek. I find that poster particularly difficult because he tells lies all the time but reading his replies on other things, indicates he applies the same level of thinking to everything.
I appreciate the comments although I'm not exactly a "Trump supporter". I agree with more of his economic views than those of Harris.
 
Yes, yes and yes.

My house was built in 1928. I have the original deed to it in my archives. It states very plainly that the purchaser agrees that they will not sell the property to a person of color. When I was child there were still signs above several of the water fountains in Ft Worth that said "Colored only" and "Whites only". If that's not systemic racism, I don't know what is.
I don't think anyone is arguing that there never was systemic racism.
 
That's not actually true.
For the most part, it should be true if fascism is defined as a far-right ideology and that the right is usually considered the religious right. Shouldn't its supporters all be recognized as theists, albeit fake theists ? Where am I wrong here?
Given that I have explained this, repeatedly, before, I can only wonder why you need so much make believe.
(2013↗, 2016↗, 2017↗, 2018↗, 2021↗, 2022↗, 2023↗, 2024↗. Really, I don't think I've been unclear about this.)​
Sorry T, I just never read your posts anymore. They were exciting 20 years ago, but now they read like a blog.
Do you still define religion as belief in God? Just for instance.
I've made it quite clear on many occasions that I leave the definition of words to references. I don't define religion. It always leads down many rabbit holes. If you don't rely on references, how do you define religion?
Because, your point about fascists and theists, that would be the likely mistake. Y'know, just for instance.
Will you be pointing out the odd few or can you explain your instance as an overall catch for fascists and theists? Please do explain this obvious mistake.
Remember, this started↗ with sarcasm↗.

Lose the plot, much?
It sure didn't seem like sarcasm. I could swear you were deathly afraid of Quakers. The Nixon years must have taken their toll. My Bad.
 
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Do you believe that George Floyd was murdered, and the Officer Derek Chauvin was rightly convicted and sent to jail??

Do you believe America is systemically racist?

Do you think Donald Trump is a racist?
If the answer to those questions is "No" then that means we are not in the bubble, correct?
 
She talks about "inequality of wealth", "unaffordable housing", "livable wages" and all of the progressive BS. He does not. Taxes should be low, spending should be lower, the President should focus on the economy and not on "stimulating" the economy by monetizing the debt.

I don't agree with his views on tariffs unless it is just some negotiating ploy. I think the stock market will be strong during a Trump administration. I'd rather have a John McCain or Ronald Reagan type of Republican but that wasn't the choice.

I didn't vote for him or for anyone but I live where the vote is going to go to the Democrat. I did have a small bet that Trump would lose. He isn't a "role model". Progressive polices, (as defined today) aren't going in the right direction economically IMO.
 
I don't think anyone is arguing that there never was systemic racism.

But we need not appeal to the past, as if action is no longer necessary.

Critical theory's lifeblood is that most forms of structural oppression continue with little abatement. If perchance some marginalized population groups do get remarkably and wholly liberated from the hegemony, then efforts must be made to discern others to recruit for membership in the downtrodden. Or refine/expand the social justice narrative to facilitate the emergence of new victims.

For instance, preparation in advance for the rights and equality of AI slash robots is such a safeguard for future activism. Since there may not be enough necrophiles, zoophiles, kleptolagniacs, etc to warrant investment by politicians and crusading public figures influenced by humanities discourse. (OTOH, two percent is hardly trivial, if that number is correct.)

However, such a degree of expansion should be regarded only as a worse case scenario, as we should have confidence in progressophobia maintaining the classic and current status quo of favorites that are burdened under the foot of tyranny.
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I don't think anyone is arguing that there never was systemic racism
This wasn't that long ago. Laws may change, but it takes generations for attitudes to change. I've worked with people within the last 20 years who still have Klan robes in their closet.
 
But we need not appeal to the past, as if action is no longer necessary.

Critical theory's lifeblood is that most forms of structural oppression continue with little abatement. If perchance some marginalized population groups do get remarkably and wholly liberated from the hegemony, then efforts must be made to discern others to recruit for membership in the downtrodden. Or refine/expand the social justice narrative to facilitate the emergence of new victims.

For instance, preparation in advance for the rights and equality of AI slash robots is such a safeguard for future activism. Since there may not be enough necrophiles, zoophiles, kleptolagniacs, etc to warrant investment by politicians and crusading public figures influenced by humanities discourse. (OTOH, two percent is hardly trivial, if that number is correct.)

However, such a degree of expansion should be regarded only as a worse case scenario, as we should have confidence in progressophobia maintaining the classic and current status quo of favorites that are burdened under the foot of tyranny.
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Tiassa, is that you?
 
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