Climate change Sea Ice Melt Glacia melt the developing science

[iceaura]

I've read several claims that the Brazilian Amazon fires were set deliberately.

Many were.
And will be - the short-term profits from fire-cleared rain forest land are large enough to finance major arson campaigns. This has been a problem for decades, made worse recently by bad governance.

Meanwhile, that part of the world includes major regions of lighting strike, so as the rain forest is modified to increase its vulnerability to fire the dry seasons will feature plenty of ignition sources.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

I've read several claims that the Brazilian Amazon fires were set deliberately.

amazon fires are lit annually by people to burn away native Forrest to graze cattle

what aerial photography is currently documenting is that the majority of the fires are in areas where forests are being logged then burnt to clear land.

claims

scientific fact shown by aerial photography

were

are ...
there is no suggestion that they will stop setting fire to the amazon

i am skeptical at what the people sent in to fight the fires can achieve.
given they are likely to be improperly equipped and with probably no fire fighting training

aside from policing the people lighting the fires
they are equally likely to become victims of the fires.

they need heavy machinery and drones to over sea the process

i very much doubt despite billions of dollars that has been donated very little much if any has been spent on developing systems and buying heavy equipment that can fight Forest the fires.

This is why i think it is critical to have international assistance to develop proper over sight systems engaging heavy air craft water drops and fast moving expensive
bulldozers and specially equipped graders which wont just result in the driver being burnt to death and the machine being burnt out or trapped in the fire.

major regions of lighting strike

which when happens in logged areas allows the fire to start and take hold

 

[RainbowSingularity]

watch the video, you can clearly see it is a logged area that is on fire
if the forest had not been selectively logged to allow air passage and ground fuel, lighting strikes would not be as big of an issue
however, as it drys it is likely to burn even more(exponential fire growth)

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9782396/amazon-rainforest-fires-brazil-nasa-picture-news/

ALARMING pictures show the full extent of the wildfires burning across Brazil as it is revealed three football pitches worth of rainforest is being lost every minute.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

it helps to have a margin of error
because you never know when these type of things can happen

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/145226/raikoke-erupts
June 22, 2019

June 22, 2019

https://volcanoes.usgs.gov/vhp/gas_climate.html

Volcanoes can affect the Earth's climate.
Volcanoes can impact climate change. During major explosive eruptions huge amounts of volcanic gas, aerosol droplets, and ash are injected into the stratosphere. Injected ash falls rapidly from the stratosphere -- most of it is removed within several days to weeks -- and has little impact on climate change. But volcanic gases like sulfur dioxide can cause global cooling, while volcanic carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas, has the potential to promote global warming.

The large 1783-1784 Laki fissure eruption in Iceland released a staggering amount more sulfur dioxide than Pinatubo (approximately 120-million ton vs. 20). Although the two eruptions were significantly different in length and style, the added atmospheric SO2 caused regional cooling of Europe and North America by similar amounts for similar periods of time

Do the Earth's volcanoes emit more CO2 than human activities? No.
Carbon dioxide (CO2) is a greenhouse gas and is the primary gas blamed for climate change. While sulfur dioxide released in contemporary volcanic eruptions has occasionally caused detectable global cooling of the lower atmosphere, the carbon dioxide released in contemporary volcanic eruptions has never caused detectable global warming of the atmosphere. In 2010, human activities were responsible for a projected 35 billion metric tons (gigatons) of CO2 emissions. All studies to date of global volcanic carbon dioxide emissions indicate that present-day subaerial and submarine volcanoes release less than a percent of the carbon dioxide released currently by human activities. While it has been proposed that intense volcanic release of carbon dioxide in the deep geologic past did cause global warming, and possibly some mass extinctions, this is a topic of scientific debate at present.

Published scientific estimates of the global CO2 emission rate for all degassing subaerial (on land) and submarine volcanoes lie in a range from 0.13 gigaton to 0.44 gigaton per year. The 35-gigaton projected anthropogenic CO2 emission for 2010 is about 80 to 270 times larger than the respective maximum and minimum annual global volcanic CO2 emission estimates.

what is not mentioned is that ash that falls of ice then attracts heat and melts the snow very fast.
additionally landing on glaciers attracts heat and melts the glaciers very very fast.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

7 years old
https://climate.nasa.gov/news/712/how-does-debris-influence-glaciers/

What kinds of debris are most frequently found on glaciers? Dust is very common, as well as soot. Volcanic ash, or tephra, is dependent on the glacier's geographic location relative to the volcano and the eruption frequency. Dust comes from Earth's large deserts, like the Sahara. It also comes from local geology. Soot can come from forest fires, from combustion of oil (for example, from our cars) and coal mines.

How far can particulates travel? The distance particulates travel depends on their size, how long they can stay in the atmosphere — gravity comes into play here. For example, soot is a relatively small particulate; it can travel quite far. A fire in Canada can cause soot to travel to Greenland's ice sheet. Dust can be larger, but it still travels quite far. Saharan dust is often found on glaciers in the European Alps. The Antarctic ice sheet gets dust from Australian deserts.

Is deposition of particulates on glaciers evolving? The issue of how climate change is affecting particulate pollution is currently being studied. Scientists suspect that changes to the amount and frequency of forest fires might be affecting how much soot is traveling to glaciers. Similarly, with climate change, dryness is becoming more prevalent and as a result, there's more dust. One study documented increased dust transported to glaciers in the Swiss Alps, which in turn was increasing glacier melt rates.

 

[Quantum Quack]

 

[RainbowSingularity]

i love Greta
she is smart(very smart) non conventional and says it like it is.
i am a bit annoyed at how all the troll media editors cut edit screen shots of her face in a angry expresion as the cover layer to their video feeds of her.
i think that is climate change denier tin-foil hat ass kissing
as well as bully culture normalization
(it highlights a misogynistic sub-culture)
i do worry about the incels and psychiatric patients who may try and attack her for her celebrity status and for being a women and a young women.

... sea-level rise ... polluting fresh water supply's (algae, bacteria, etc ecoli sewage run off...)
sea water moving into fresh water under ground aquifers.
i think this needs urgent attention to re-calibrate time lines for water shortages.

 

[Seattle]

I like her as well. She seems to be quite effective without speaking of wingnuts, tinfoil hats, the tribe, bandahar, etc.

 

[iceaura]

what is not mentioned is that ash that falls of ice then attracts heat and melts the snow very fast.
additionally landing on glaciers attracts heat and melts the glaciers very very fast.

That is among the effects of the increased wildfires from AGW - another positive feedback (so far, the discovered feedbacks have been disproportionately positive - bad luck).
It is also a side effect of rapid melting from AGW - the soot and dirt trapped in the ice over hundreds or thousands of years concentrates at the surface as it is left behind.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

as it is

this would be an exponential solar collection factor to heating melt cause i would imagine.
there is a lot of people in positions of financial and political power whom probably want to keep "ash" out of the news to avoid the obvious human health issues and avoid having those linked to sea level rise which would draw in home recognition of alarming factors of real world scientific issues.

i was going to post something new but it slipped my mind ...

are we currently at 4 times the Co2 of the no ice left on the planet stage ?

i have an immunology question i have forgotten about melting viruses and bacteria that may have been dormant for 20,000 years etc...

north America looks set to get arctic winds.(this will be interesting)

 

[Beaconator]

Since the discovery of science, science has been clouded with questions.

Essentially the only questions that have been answered by science has been.

1. Force =mass×acceleration

2. Thermodynamics is beyond our control

3. Wheels roll

4. Chemical reactions occur

5. Research and hypothesis mean approximately the same thing.

6. Plants were here before us.

7. Popular ideas are stupid

8. Ingenious solutions become implimented

 

[RainbowSingularity]

Essential

question

how do you run a modern city of 10 million people that is 55 meters below sea level ?

floating citys of the future ... ?

 

[RainbowSingularity]

 

[RainbowSingularity]

 

[RainbowSingularity]

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-49885450
315 billion-tonne iceberg breaks off Antarctica

By Jonathan Amos Science correspondent

• 30 September 2019

 

[Seattle]

Mythological truth serves the light of knowledge.

 

[iceaura]

5. Research and hypothesis mean approximately the same thing.

The illiteracy of the modern rightwing conservative pervades modern political discussion at all levels.

Essentially the only questions that have been answered by science has been.

You forgot about electricity, engineering, and evolution. Just to pick a couple from the Es in the schoolroom encyclopedia.

 

[billvon]

Essentially the only questions that have been answered by science has been.

1. Force =mass×acceleration
2. Thermodynamics is beyond our control
3. Wheels roll
4. Chemical reactions occur
5. Research and hypothesis mean approximately the same thing.
6. Plants were here before us.
7. Popular ideas are stupid
8. Ingenious solutions become implimented

I would like to think this is a joke, but sadly I fear it is not.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

trolling the intellectual theme to kill the thread subject...

while attempting to install narcissistic dogma ...

just ignore it

 

[spidergoat]

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-49885450
315 billion-tonne iceberg breaks off Antarctica

By Jonathan Amos Science correspondent

• 30 September 2019

The Scripps researcher stressed that there was no link between this event and climate change. Satellite data since the 1990s has shown that Amery is roughly in balance with its surroundings, despite experiencing strong surface melt in summer.

So... Not an example of global warming.