Climate change Sea Ice Melt Glacia melt the developing science

The arctic cold outbreak of January 2019 will go down as the coldest in parts of the upper Midwest since the 1990s, shattering numerous daily records and even topping a few all-time cold records, while creating wind chills as cold as the 60s below zero.

(NEWS: Impacts From the Cold Outbreak)


Mount Carroll, Illinois, may have set a new all-time record low for the state of Illinois Thursday morning, Jan. 31, with a temperature of minus 38 degrees
from
https://weather.com/forecast/nation...vortex-midwest-arctic-air-coldest-two-decades
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  1. January 30, 2019: Record-breaking cold swooped down from Canada, affecting the entire Midwest. Per the Des Moines Register, the capital city hit -20 degrees with wind chills near -40, making it the coldest Jan. 30 in the history of Des Moines. The all-time coldest day was Jan. 5, 1884, when they hit -30. Sadly, this cold weather did take at least 11 lives, one of which was a University of Iowa student.
from
http://www.iowastatedaily.com/news/...cle_f6e8a068-2aed-11e9-ba84-9b19c030a2e4.html
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February 02, 2019
By the numbers: Midwestern US endures ... all-time record lows broken
Midwest extreme cold by the numbers:
-77˚F
Lowest AccuWeather RealFeel® Temperature, recorded at Thief River Falls, Minnesota, on Tuesday evening.
-56˚F
The lowest actual temperature recorded in Cotton, Minnesota, on Thursday morning.
-38˚F
Low temperature recorded at Mt. Carroll, Illinois, on Thursday morning. If deemed accurate, it would be the new Illinois state record low.
8 hours
Consecutive hours of RealFeel® Temperatures under 65 below zero F in Grand Forks, North Dakota, on Tuesday.
-23˚F
Record low in Chicago on Wednesday morning, the lowest since the mid-1980s.
15 times
That temperatures have been at or under 21 below zero F in Chicago since records began in the 1870s.
All-time record lows broken on Thursday morning
-33˚F
Moline, Illinois (Previous record: 27 below zero from Jan. 16, 2009)
-30˚F
Cedar Rapids, Iowa (Previous record: 29 below zero from Jan. 15, 2009)
-30˚F
Rockford, Illinois (Previous record: 27 below zero from Jan. 10, 1982)
from
https://www.accuweather.com/en/weat...d-temperatures-lower-than-south-pole/70007296
 
please post all your scientific videos and reports.
no climate change denier fake science thanks, you will be reported.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/08/world/arctic-beneath-ice-intl/index.html

The arctic ocean's ice puts a cap on evaporation
lose that cap and the evaporate can fall as snow on the land surrounding the arctic ocean
the snow may accumulate faster than it can melt
the accumulation may build glaciers

This mechanism was proposed by Ewing and Donn 1956 theory of the causes of Ice Ages
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/123/3207/1061
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-935704-38-6_8
and then
Maureen Raymo et.al. found that sea level rose rapidly at end eemian---just before the recent period of glaciation started

these 2 bits seem connected, but I have found no study combining the 2
 
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Recent article in Science made a point I had somehow overlooked: when the glaciers that flow from land into the sea speed up, as most have lately, the sea level rises immediately - the newly floating ice does not have to melt to boost sea levels.

So the Thwaites glacier crossing its tipping point and breaking free at its grounding line (due to greenhouse warmed water moving in underneath it) will become bad news quite rapidly - long before it all melts.
 
Maureen Raymo et.al. found that sea level rose rapidly at end eemian---just before the recent period of glaciation started

these 2 bits seem connected, but I have found no study combining the 2

i recall falling over something slightly similar.

musing on this
with atmospheric Co2 low and increased sea level, this may push glacification.
however.
we need to see the data along side the Co2 levels
low co2 large eruption on large melting glacial bridge/damn
etc...
we can conjure many potential concepts.

what the antarctic scientists seem to describe is a regular pattern of melting and then freezing again.
what has never happened before is human global warming via things like nuclear weapons tests
massive coal burning
massive phosphate dumping into the sea growing algae blooms(heating the sea)

look at WWII when entire citys were set on fire
look at recent asia with entire Forrest being burnt to the ground and the non stop deforestation.

never before has the earth had soo little trees

i think the accumulative effect of
human heat production via citys factory pollution run off into the sea acidification of the sea
added on top of
massive 1st time in the history of the planet massive deforestation
human Co2 production

these will be far outweigh any mild swings of balanced tipping of scale back n forth between icing & de-icing.

So the Thwaites glacier crossing its tipping point and breaking free at its grounding line (due to greenhouse warmed water moving in underneath it) will become bad news quite rapidly - long before it all melts.
the exponential effect some have been mentioning.
i have mentioned it several times.
it seems logical and seems like it should be focussed on to attempt to establish some models of exponential factors to try and gauge things.

my last comment was the suggested moot for example if global sea level rise became 2 meters in 10 years.
 
https://phys.org/news/2019-07-iceland-trees-razed-vikings.html

"Before being colonised by the Vikings, Iceland was lush with forests but the fearsome warriors razed everything to the ground and the nation is now struggling to reforest the island"more at link.....

phys.org ?
Really ?
creationist tabloid pop science web site says so...

phys.org is tabloid newspaper science

i have pointed(some years ago' i simply wont read any of their stuff anymore) out and written to phys.org several times how they are scientifically wrong and several articles were deliberately misleading.
their response was they think it doesn't matter as they are a publication geared toward general knowledge not science and is more concerned with common opinion than technical facts.

they are not concerned with scientific facts , just getting clicks in the office lunch room.
They have been pedaling their spoon full of sugar sheople pop science click bait for years now, with a catchy name and prolific trend topic links.

its a traveling vacuum cleaner sales shop
 
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they are not concerned with truth, just getting clicks on the office lunch room.
Some sensationalism as there is in most journalistic reports, but otherwise OK in my opinion, and of course in a great number of the articles, the actual paper/s are presented and/or linked to, as I generally do when I post one of their stories.
 


boat full of tourists almost killed lol
clapping seals clapping lol

Danger Will Robinson Danger
notice how the lady standing next to the man who is hit in the head with a piece of ice the size of a foot ball tells the other lady to back away and not help him.
then bongo the clown comes around the corner with his chip packet in one hand and proceeds to help the stupid lady block access to the victim.

clever monkeys
 
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-49052360
preliminary satellite data released by Inpe showed that more than 1,000 sq km (400 sq miles) of the rainforest had been cleared in the first 15 days of July - an increase of 68% from the entire month of July 2018.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deforestation_of_the_Amazon_rainforest

Using the 2005 deforestation rates, it was estimated that the Amazon rainforest would be reduced by 40% in two decades.[52] The rate of deforestation is now slowing; rates of forest loss in 2012 were the slowest on record. However, the forest is still shrinking.[53][54]

Norwegian prime minister Jens Stoltenberg announced on September 16, 2008, that Norway's government would donate US $1 billion to the newly established Amazon fund. The money from this fund would go to projects aimed at slowing down the deforestation of the Amazon rainforest.[55]

In September 2015, Brazilian president Dilma Rousseff told the United Nations that Brazil had effectively reduced the rate of deforestation in the Amazon by 82 percent. She also announced that over the next 15 years, Brazil aimed to eliminate illegal deforestation, restore and reforest 120,000 km2 (46,000 sq mi), and recover 150,000 km2 (58,000 sq mi) of degraded pastures.[56]

In August 2017, Brazilian president Michel Temer abolished an Amazonian nature reserve the size of Denmark in Brazil's northern states of Pará and Amapá.[57]

In April 2019, a court in Ecuador stopped oil exploration activities in 1,800 square kilometres (690 sq mi) of the Amazon rainforest.[58]
 
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i posted this video above.

it occured to me as i was watching it again.
when looking at the clock timer.
the distance the ice is moving
it must be going really fast.
rough look appears to be the ice traveling around 60 to 70 kilometers per hour
thats several entire mountains all traveling at 60kmph
thats quite a lot of energy

 
Consider that the Antarctic ice sheet weighs 26,500,000 gigatons.
With an estimated loss of 45 to 120 gigatons/year---average 82.5
If this average keeps up for another 321,212 years, we may yet see an ice free Antarctica
(well, not "we", I'll be dead, and the species will likely have experienced another evolutionary leap)
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however, the west Antarctic seems to be the most vulnerable, and may have collapsed during the last superinterglacial
darned interesting
 
If this average keeps up for another 321,212 years, we may yet see an ice free Antarctica
Yep. It would take a long time to lose all that ice. It would take a much shorter time, though, to lose Manhatttan, Miami and Bangladesh. (Well, probably not Manhattan. They will probably build a sea wall that we will all pay for. The right wing will complain bitterly about the expense while chanting "There's NO SUCH THING as climate change!")
 
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