. . . the hard data clearly indicates that the earth has not warmed in the past two decades
You are perfectly . . . wrong. The top 10 hottest years on record have come in the past 20 years.

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. . . the hard data clearly indicates that the earth has not warmed in the past two decades
Education as the indoctrination of the young.
Does ALL education fall under this definition?
Who decides what knowledge and information shall be taught as objective truth?
Are young people being trained to be unquestioning sheep who must conform to the system in order to "succeed"?
The reason is the hard data clearly indicates that the earth has not warmed in the past two decades even though large countries like India and China have been building huge economies with fossil fuel.
You can find graphs to support both positions, but this will not be enough to overcome the brain washing. So the question I posed was, why the need for the rebranding, from global warming to climate change, if global warming is true?
Why go from a specific cause and effect, that is easier to study and prove, to something nebulous (do-all) that allows for both cooling and heating? If it gets colder this is climate change. The brain washed, who are stuck in their original programming, will assume this means the same thing. If it is hot today but cools to morrow that is climate change and therefore means global warming is true.
Why would Coke or Pepsi need to rebrand a product? This comes from the board of directors with the inside scoop, before they create a sanitized version given as propaganda aids. This usually means consumers are going away. You can bring them back by appearing to be a new thing. The climate change brand is about something for everyone. If you see graphs that show cooling, this is also climate change so don't leave the original manufacturer.
As Freeman Dyson contended, there should always be at least some contrarians or critics of mainstream judgments. Little should be so approved that it gets by the security gate from that point on with zero challenges to re-test and confirm its mettle. These lingering skeptics might sometimes be immigrants from Quackville rather than irritating sticklers for proper procedure demanded within a methodology itself. But either one or the other provides a stimulant for its immune system to demonstrate it is in the right when protecting and fending-off attacks upon a targeted selection from its brood of cherished / warranted conclusions.
"In the modern world, science and society often interact in a perverse way. We live in a technological society, and technology causes political problems. The politicians and the public expect science to provide answers to the problems. Scientific experts are paid and encouraged to provide answers. The public does not have much use for a scientist who says, 'Sorry, but we don’t know'. The public prefers to listen to scientists who give confident answers to questions and make confident predictions of what will happen as a result of human activities. So it happens that the experts who talk publicly about politically contentious questions tend to speak more clearly than they think. They make confident predictions about the future, and end up believing their own predictions. Their predictions become dogmas which they do not question. The public is led to believe that the fashionable scientific dogmas are true, and it may sometimes happen that they are wrong. That is why heretics who question the dogmas are needed.
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The prevailing dogmas may be right, but they still need to be challenged. I am proud to be a heretic. The world always needs heretics to challenge the prevailing orthodoxies. Since I am heretic, I am accustomed to being in the minority. If I could persuade everyone to agree with me, I would not be a heretic. We are lucky that we can be heretics today without any danger of being burned at the stake. But unfortunately I am an old heretic. Old heretics do not cut much ice. When you hear an old heretic talking, you can always say, 'Too bad he has lost his marbles', and pass on. What the world needs is young heretics. I am hoping that one or two of the people who read this piece may fill that role." --HERETICAL THOUGHTS ABOUT SCIENCE AND SOCIETY
That's why I can never accept statement like this one he makes, which feeds the denialist frenzy:
Polar ice melt, coupled with the annual shortage in CO[sub]2[/sub] uptake by the biomass, seems to be the correlation that Dyson is skirting. He did comment at Edge on the dangers of ocean levels rising, which contradicts other statements he's made.*If the pessimism over climate change does indeed pan out, which already seems justified if one is an inuit or polar bear.
For every N denialists there is at least 1 person with enough curiosity to download the data from Mauna Loa and study it. It's a great way to learn how measurements are actually done, and it partly addresses Dyson's justifiable concern that scientists working on computers in air-conditioned rooms are too isolated from nature to make informed assessments. That is, the site at Mauna Loa has been doing just that since the 1950s. Unfortunately the mob pays no mind to details like the fact that there is a research station reporting a grim trend in atmospheric chemistry, and has been doing so throughout their lives. There is nothing new about the data. What's new (or relatively new) is that it finally got public attention.Yeah, unfortunately* there was a receptive lay audience which didn't feel that Dyson had "lost his marbles" yet.
Better would be to attack the data directly. Most of the lay commentary avoids this, leaving it to questions of hearsay and opinions of people rather than opinions of chemistry and physics which are ultimately the real enemies of human survival.During times of polarizing political sideshows and inflamed passions, perhaps it would be nice if the contrarians could keep their "civic duty" roles more in house among their peers.
This also strikes a chord with anti-papists, to the extent that fundamentalism embraces the study of European history at all. It brings to mind the way anti-science posters are prone to comparing themselves to Bruno, after posting erroneous pseudoscientific claims and receiving the predictable attacks from readers who evidently have some working knowledge of actual science. To a denialist, there is little recourse but to adopt a conspiracy theory. And there is a half-truth in their notions of a thought patrol. After all, education is truly a tyrant: it polices ignorance rather aggressively.But OTOH, that echoes a bit of the thought patrol, especially when a few loose cannons on the other side start recommending items like "the death penalty for heretics such as Dyson. As did Galileo, they can get a reprieve if they recant."
The way the original scam worked, was it only plotted a segment of all the known data . As an analogy, say you plotted Microsoft stock from company inception to the present, there is a increasing trend. Say instead we only plotted a particular month, on the same size paper, and then take this out of context of the whole. We can make it do anything we want. This data is real, and the plot of this real data is real, but it has no long term contrast to see this is not unique nor does it remain that way in the long term.
....The way the original scam worked, was it only plotted a segment of all the known data . As an analogy, say you plotted Microsoft stock from company inception to the present, there is a increasing trend. Say instead we only plotted a particular month, on the same size paper, and then take this out of context of the whole. We can make it do anything we want. This data is real, and the plot of this real data is real, but it has no long term contrast to see this is not unique nor does it remain that way in the long term.
Knowledge that is true does not require emotional appeal, nor does it need free market and political manipulation. Emotional appeal is needed for subjective knowledge.
No, you can't.wellwisher said:You can find graphs to support both positions,
Depends on what you trying to do with it - if you are trying to cut back on Exxon's profits by political action, you will need everything you have to beat them at political manipulation, market power, and emotional (propaganda) appeal, not to mention direct threat.wellwisher said:Knowledge that is true does not require emotional appeal, nor does it need free market and political manipulation.
Chomsky is certainly no expounder of the view that science itself is an ideological superstructure of systematic deception for the protection of the favored economic classes. Surely he can still be Marxist (like most educated people) anyway?Noam Chomsky's a life-long Marxist. Marxism has traditionally thought of everything apart from the economic relations of social classes as ideological "superstructure", a system of systematically misleading ideas intended to protect the favored economic classes in their exploitive power.
There are different scientific approaches. Applied, practical and rational science are emotion free, since they are tools which are self standing and therefore useful for predicting the past, present and future. Empirical and statistical are different in that these are rules of thumb. The difference between the cause and effect of rational science, and the rules of thumb of empirical, allows room for emotional subjectivities.
For example, each year the experts use statistics and empirical data to predict the number and severity of hurricanes. This science is not yet all the way to cause and effect, but is more of a rule of thumb for the season. At the beginning of the season, before the chickens hatch, you can act confident and panic the herd with fear if the estimate is high. By the end of the season, the fear may not have been warranted or may not have warranted for particular people, but still you were able to panic the entire herd. If it was cause and effect, each person could infer or deduce the future thereby dispelling this manipulation.
We can predict where a ball will fall, based on velocity, direction and gravity, using basic Newtonian mechanics. We can't panic the herd into thinking it can fall anywhere due to chaos and probability or even based on past events. I can't panic the crowd in advance and say if he throws the ball due east at 45 degrees everyone on the south better watch out, unless you dumb down the crowd into thinking reason is the same as statistics so don't learn to reason, we will do it for you.
The political divide of global warming, which amount to conflicting emotional appeal, is connected to this being less than rational science. We don't have a rational way to predict the future, except by past trends. If we chose a smaller time period you get the liberal approach and if you look longer term you get the conservative approach. Indoctrination is not about the self reliance of reason but is about empirical curves through selective social data to make rules of thumb, which make room for emotional manipulation.
We DON"T see warming like this in previous ages.
We can predict where a ball will fall, based on velocity, direction and gravity, using basic Newtonian mechanics.
We can't panic the herd into thinking it can fall anywhere due to chaos and probability or even based on past events. I can't panic the crowd in advance and say if he throws the ball due east at 45 degrees everyone on the south better watch out, unless you dumb down the crowd into thinking reason is the same as statistics so don't learn to reason, we will do it for you.
The political divide of global warming, which amount to conflicting emotional appeal, is connected to this being less than rational science.
If emotion is the enemy of reason, then climate change deniers are surely the enemies of science. Their red-faced rants against science, liberals, green energy, conservation etc are generally fact-free and contain the sort of fearmongering (i.e. you will FREEZE IN THE DARK while Al Gore laughs all the way to the bank!) that Joe McCarthy would be proud of.
Nice ad-hominem.
Is the climate changing? Probably. (It's probably always been changing.) Is it warming? Probably.
Is it unprecedented?
Is mankind responsible for whatever changes we are seeing today? There are plausible arguments that we are contributing to it.
(But given that even larger climactic shifts have happened in the past without any human contribution, we can't be entirely sure.)
If the observed small yearly changes are extrapolated out to bigger climate changes, will those changes be disastrous? Probably for many, but they might be a benefit for others.
But ultimately, what puts me off is how politicized this stuff has gotten. It's all about left-right identity and group-think.